Poweraxel

actually dont be suprised..ive only closed 1 or 2 threads that got redicously outta control..

forcefed7

Have you or do you know of anybody that has had a Haltech tuned there? Just curious as why you would think that.

RETed

I have read several RX-7 owners who took their cars to PFS.&nbsp PFS used to push their PMS systems over anything else - guess it was their business advantage to do so.&nbsp The PMS has been uncovered to be an inferior unit (as soon as the A'PEXi Power FC came out).&nbsp I don't know of any PFS, Haltech-tuned RX-7 on the road?&nbsp Do you know of any?&nbsp RP has tons of them running around; I think it would be safe to say that RP can tune a Haltech on an RX-7 better than PFS can?


-Ted

forcefed7

So what you are saying is that you have no factual data to support you claims about PFS's tuning ability. I'll agree with you on the PMC being a bit dated, but you understand that that thing was released in the mid to early 90's. But lets be fair here, you're forgetting how fast a few people went on this "inferior unit." Both Adam and yes...ARI from RP both ran 10's with ECU set-up. That was in the early days when going 10's was a big deal. I'll also agree that the Power FC does more. But what does it really do that the PMC doesn't that the average end user will change? Trailing split??? yeah right. Both units can do bigger injectors and use a different map sensor, my point being the mostly that you seem to come off as a know all. This is one area I can assure you don't know what you're talking about. I have single turbo 3rd gen. with many dyno pulls laying down 530+ rwhp with my PFS tuned HALTECH. So I think it's safe to say they too can tune a Haltech well. Sorry to waste everyone's time...

RETed

Sure, I'll admit I have a biased opinion of PFS with all the mud-slinging that went on with the RX-7 mailing list.&nbsp I absolutely abhor anything that is remotely connected with John Duff.&nbsp The only direct experience I've had is selling a bunch of Bando belts to PFS which went well except for a "minor" tracking problem.


Sure, you can use the word "pioneers."&nbsp Adam has jumped ship to MoTeC now...

Man, this must be a bug in the air or something...
Is this something personal?&nbsp Who the hell are you anyways?&nbsp I'm sorry if you THINK I'm some kinda know-it-all; I have never implied this nor explicitly stated this.


Yeah, it all looks like a personal pot-shot now...
Care to reveal your entire set-up on your car?
Big power runs don't mean anything in my book.&nbsp Money get you almost anything nowadays...



-Ted

forcefed7

I guess I was just kind of venting on you, just seems like you are so quick to put down the TEC cause you have to use their trigger wheel. I'm sorry to have started this, all I want to prove was that any competent tuner shop should be able to tune any EMS system. 7.0 ms pw @30psi is the same on Haltech, TEC, or Motec. It's all numbers. Just as I believe that if ARI @ RP had to tune a TEC they would be able to even though they may mostly use Haltech. Just as I don't think it would be right to state that they are not good TEC tuners considering I have nothing to back this up with, That's what I was annoyed about with your post. Do I care to reveal my entire setup on my car? No real point to, nothing special. Same thing everyone else runs almost, 550/1600, big single, big intercooler ect. I just had the correct tuning to make the right/average HP numbers. I had the Haltech on my car for a good amount of time, All tuning done @PFS on PFS's dyno. With all the tuning I had done there my car never blew up, and it has made good power numbers with awesome drivability. So I would say that they are excellent tuners

RETed

I've had too many bad experiences with Electromotive, it's not even funny...&nbsp MANY SEMA conventions at my unbiased attempt to talk to the Electromotive reps - "Everything else is junk - our unit is superior."&nbsp Trying to get some comments on an Electromotive unit on a rotary engine from the Electromotive reps - "See Craig Naeglar at Tri-Point - we can't help you."&nbsp Attempts to get any info out of Crag Naeglar at Tri-Point - "Pay the $6,000 for installation, and you'll see it's the best."&nbsp Not to mention the beefs I used to get into with Shiv Patak on the Electromotive units...


I still don't know who you are...I have a sneaky suspicion you're one of the RX-7 mailing list regulars?



-Ted

13BAce

Last spring I figured I would try a TEC II, and after 3 shipments to get everything I paid for the damn thing didn't work. I sent it back to Ray at SR Motorsports, and he told me he tested it in a car and it was working fine . He sent it to Electromotive anyway and they said it was defective. Hmm.... After I got it back I sold it because I had already put the Wolf 3D in my car. I've been happy ever since then.

That's my experience.