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I purchased a Greddy Compression tube from FAL in late January for my build. Recently i've hit the tuning stage, and realized that i had a boost leak. Long story short, the comp. tube is warped at the mating surface. I purchased a new o-ring, tried silicone, and made gaskets with no luck.

I colored the surface with a sharpie and rubbed the mating surface on a granite surface plate, which revealed that 95% of the mating surface was not touching.

FAL refuses to give me a refund for the 60 dollar paper weight he sold me.

His excuse is that he never installed the part so he didnt know and he isnt liable. Really he is just passing the buck.

Im posting the conversation.


1/16/2014
Me:
greddy comp tube

Will this fit my s5 tii
FAL:
Should fit all S4 and S5 turbo throttle bodies.

Me:
Can you do 50 shipped

FAL:
Sorry, I'm already selling it for almost half what they go for new. For $50 I'd rather keep it for display or use it for my other FC in the future.

Me:
60 shipped

FAL:
I really didn't want to go lower than $65, but I guess I'll take it.

Paypal is fa***3s@gmail.com

Please include in the message area:
RX7Club Username
Parts Purchased
Confirm Shipping Address

Thank you,
Frank

Me:
Payment sent.

Please use address In message if it differs from the address on PayPal account.

Thanks!
Also just to confirm, the address is:

1**9 Y****n ln
Manteca ca 95336

thx

FAL:
Payment received and thank you for confirming the address. I will try to get it out today or by tomorrow morning.

Thanks,
Frank

Me:
Sounds good thx

1/17/2014
FAL:
Shipped this morning via USPS.

Tracking #:9534 6213 9091 4017 0000 26

Thanks for your business,
Frank


Me:
Thx brother. I'll confirm when it arrives.

1/22/2014
Me:
Tracking info hasn't been updated since it arrived in Jacksonville. Maybe give it another day before calling them?

https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfi...90914017000026

1/23/2014
Me:
Showed up. Everything looks good. Thx again.

FAL:
Great, I'm glad it showed up. I meant to reply to your last message, but I am in the middle of moving my business just got sidetracked.

Hope it works out for you, let me know if you need any help. I remember I used 2 ratchets and on the passenger side I used a long extension and it only clicked like once…..took forever! lol but worth it.

Thanks,
Frank

5/3/2014
Me:
Did you have that greddy comp tube installed? I have a boost leak and it seems that the mating surface is warped.

FAL:
No I never had it installed. I bought a brand new comp tube and then I bought a used full GReddy FMIC kit off of a member here and it came with that comp tube. I'm sorry there's an issue. Let me know if there is any update.

5/13/2014
Me:
So I put the OEM comp tube back on and it isn't leaking. I'm gonna try to have the greddy comp tube xrayed at my work tomorrow and if there's No cracks, I believe the mating surface is too warped to seal. I put it on a granite surface plate to confirm that it is actually warped. The machine shops won't machine it because they have No way to hold it. I'll Let you know the end result

5/16/2014
Me:
FAL, the X-ray shows No cracks it the aluminum, which confirms that the mating surface is the cause of the leak. I would like to set up arrangements for a refund. Thanks.

5/18/2014
Me:
I'd appreciate it if you would get back to me.

FAL:
I'm not sure how this should play out. I'm very sorry that the part didn't work out for you, but I had in my For Sale thread that I bought the parts used and never used them myself. I did not express any warranty or return period. If I were a larger company and did offer a warranty or return it would only probably be between 30-90 days which has long passed.

I have contacted a moderator and an admin to get some unbiased feedback on the matter. I would like to hear what they have to say about this and the proper way to handle it.

If they say that I am wrong and need to provide a refund then I will.

I'll let you know as soon as I hear back from at least one of them.

Sorry again,
Frank

Me:
Thx

FAL:
The response I received from them is pretty much what I was thinking: Buyer Beware

Like I said I'm very sorry that it did not work out for you, but I clearly said that I did not use them so I would not know their full working or nonworking condition.

GReddy Elbow - CS Down Pipe - HKS Intake - FMIC
Here's the link to the original thread in case you would like to go over what I wrote there.

Have you tried creating a gasket from gasket paper/gasket maker?

Sorry again and best of luck to you and your build,
Frank

Me:
What's the name of the mod you contacted?

FAL:
I only contacted a moderator to see if I was going to handle the situation correctly, not for proof that I have a moderator that agrees with me. I don't feel like it is necessary to provide their information. From the sound of it they did not want to be involved, but just provided unbiased opinion on the matter.

If you don't agree please go ahead with whatever means you think are necessary to resolve the issue. I'll be around to defend myself, but it's already too late to make a claim with Paypal so you will not be getting a refund.

Frank

FAL

iTrader: (16)

I understand that you are upset and I'm very sorry it had to come to this.

You bought the part in January and didn't test fit it until May. I'm not sure what would cause it to warp like that, but after so much time how am I supposed to know it is not the way you stored it?

Like I said you didn't tell me a week after you received it, a month, or even three months. It has been 5 months!

https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generati...-fmic-1053965/
Here is the link to the actual thread that did not hyperlink in your post due to copy paste

For reference this is the thread where I bought the FMIC kit from that had the GReddy Compression tube:
https://www.rx7club.com/race-parts-o.../#post11567390
#5 on the list

Now that you are asking me for a refund should I be asking Cosmo_TT for a partial refund for his part that I sold that was, unbeknownst to me, defective? I don't think so. And if the Admins/Moderators believe that I should refund your money then I will gladly and I will not pursue Cosmo_TT to give me a partial refund, because I think that is ridiculous. If it comes down to it I will use the part just as you described, as a paper weight. Which is exactly what I told you I was going to do when you offered $50 shipped.

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Its only been 4 months. i did test fit it. my car wasnt ready to boost until now. Thats when i found out about the boost leak.

And yeah, its the way i stored it. i stored it in a furnace.

Thanks for that.

you should absolutely ask cosmo for a refund.

The fact is, you didnt check it to see if it was good.

You sold it as a GOOD PART. not a PAPER WEIGHT.

Why should i have to eat that cost because you got ripped off?

rx7roller02

OK, I'm sorry to say that I had not had much of a chance to get to this until now.

FAL, I'm a little concerned here. You sent me a PM asking my thoughts on the matter last Friday, 5/16/2014. That PM was solely to me, not CC'ed to me and any other moderator or admin. And I had not replied to you until now. But when you responded to your buyer in this sale, you told him this:

Your buyer then asked you which mod you spoke to....your response:

A couple of things wrong there. First, it's a moderator's job to get involved there. Privately, publicly, their choice but it's still our job. And since you did not hear from me until now at all about this, I am also going to ask that you inform me which moderator you spoke with. I am requesting that you send me a PM informing me, so I can verify personally. Being a classified moderator myself, I can tell you that classifieds moderators routinely need to get involved in deals like this. It's what we do here.

But until that is done by you, I am going to hold suspicion about how you "contacted a mod" and the mod said "buyer beware". And I have good reason to, since I'm the mod you contacted and you never got any such response from me.

Now, on to the matter at hand. You sold a part on this forum. Here's how you described it:

What you need to understand is that by posting that, you have communicated to all potential buyers that they should expect these parts to be in usable condition. You did not at any time imply that the parts would have something wrong with them, thus interfering with their use. As such, I am going to request and expect that you refund him the money and he send the part back to you. That's only right.

As for Cosmo TT, you can approach him about it. Problem being that you bought several pieces at once for one price. You can try to work something out with him, but either way, it is not right of you to not refund this buyer. Especially in light of the fact that you contacted me, I did not answer yet, and you're telling him that the mod you sent a message to agreed with you. It does seem funny that you declined to identify the moderator, when a moderator's job here is quite often public.

misterstyx69

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I was contacted Roller actually by both parties and just sent you the correspondence.
I offered a solution if you read Both the PM's.

I'll step out of this now,as It is your field of expertise.

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Posting pics as soon as I get home.

rx7roller02

Got it styx, thanks....

My thoughts do stand, regarding the refund. It's clear that you intended the part to be usable, and it was not what was advertised.

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jr2dad6888

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-Wet or dry sheet of sandpaper taped to a piece of glass. Use good duct tape so the sandpaper doesn't move.
- I use on old car window side glass.
- Glass is flat.
-wet the sandpaper
-start at like 320 grit.
-if the sandpaper starts to gum up/clog up....replace it with a new sheet
-I do this as standard procedure when putting any mating surface like this together..........EVEN if it is new.
-rotate it as you do it so it comes off evenly and pressure won't be as big an issue
-works on all kids of things the "machine shops" tell you can't be surfaced
-when I taught my youngest this trick a couple of months ago on his turbo manifold it took awhile since it was WAY off. It had been over-tightened more than a few times and leaked so badly it wouldn't boost. It boosts now...works wonders.

Could be fixed in less time than it takes to read all these posts.

FAL

iTrader: (16)

I contacted you first before responding to Fuhnortoner request for a refund since you are the one that I see handling all of the buyer/seller feedback. Fuhnortoner Then asked me again to contact him about the situation so I PMed misterstyx69 since I see him on the forum more often and figured I would get a quicker response. I'm not familiar with CC'ing in PMs. Never really had to do it before. Just didn't think about it. Excuse my ignorance.



As I said in my PM to Fuhnortoner I didn't contact a mod to get involved. I merely wanted an opinion if I was wrong in my logic. I figured that it would escalate to a thread like this one and then the mods should get involved. I thought of it more as going to a Judge for an opinion on a legal matter so I would know how to present my case if it went to trial. If the judge told me I should settle it outside of court then I would have refunded the money, but that's not the response I got.



I can see where you're coming from. That is one way to take it. When I posted the For Sale thread I intended the wording to mean I have collected these parts from other sources and have had no way to confirm myself if they are in good working order. Honestly, I have had my doubts about OMPs and BACs that I have collected and sold in the same manner. I specifically told the buyer that they are untested units. Haven't had a complaint yet. I really didn't think a simple piece of aluminum needed to be tested to verify working condition. I had no way to test it and maybe if it was an off brand I would have had my doubts, but it is a legitimate GReddy piece. I think anyone in my position would have done the same thing and feel the same way I do now.



I will not bother with asking Cosmo_TT for a refund, but I would like him to chime in about his personal experience with this piece and how it worked for him.

I didn't want to put misterstyx69 or you on blast, but since it is now publicly known that he was the moderator that responded to me I think it is only right that I share the PM.

*important parts made bold


In 5 days it will be 10 years since I've been on this forum. I don't intend to leave anytime soon, I don't intend to have my name sullied and I don't intend to be banned either.

I do want to settle this in the best way possible, but I don't agree with refunding the money in this instance and apparently misterstyx69 agrees with me. So what should I do? Who should I listen to?

This leads me to believe that your idea that I may have fabricated the response I received from misterstyx69 is influencing your judgement on the matter and you may have thought that I was a shady person because of this. Now that it is out in the open I hope you can look at the facts in a new light.

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iTrader: (5)

Everything you said does not matter.

Here is all that matters:

misterstyx69

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Apparently Misterstyxy69 agrees with me?
Why the Hell are you sticking me in this?..Are you speaking for me?...
Ya."grow the hell up"..a little sandpaper.YEP..or a Gasket..done..Case closed.
BUT he does also have the right to expect a part being sold will perform the job that it is intended for.


The only concern I have is I don't agree that the seller should be able to wait 5 months to complain about a part then ask for a refund.
Can you buy parts off Ebay,win the auction(remember the guy talked the seller down on price) and then 5 months later ask for a refund?,..NO.
That is why I do not think that the buyer should be able to ask for a refund.But he does have the right to tell others that the part was not exactly usable..
Is it RIGHT?..NO..you sold a part that was unacceptable to him and he is saying that you did so.

Don't put me under the bus for this ****,as I had Nothing to do with it.You asked for an Opinion,.You got it.

Now,If you wanna be the "man" then take the part back and this matter can go bye,bye..and you'll be a better man for it.

By the way: I actually told Fuhnortoner that I would buy the part ,and save your Bacon..
BUT its an FC compression tube..not a FD ELBOW...so no dice...so work it out guys.

Tui

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Misterstyx69 gave good advice when he said:

"essentially you are asking the Forum to take sides in a Deal that went south,and sorry,from this Mod it should not be applicable.
Buyer Beware.
Note: the guy talks the seller down in price then complains that it is not exactly the "best part"..Sorry.no cigar."

Especially when the seller also represented in his for sale thread (not sure why rx7roller02 didn't also consider and post up) in concert with his posting "I was planning on using this stuff....."

FAL also said:

"- bought this used off of another member as apart of a kit, but already had one. Has two taps."

So, bottom line, it was a name brand part that the seller made clear he had no hands on experience with since he never used it because he "already had one" and only came into possession of it via a multi-part acquisition. So "by posting that, you have communicated to all potential buyers" he had NO FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE as to its "usable condition".

Good job Misterstyx69!

FAL

iTrader: (16)

I did not imply that the parts would have something wrong with them, because I never had a chance to use them myself which is what I DID imply. By this same logic I should have just thrown away all my untested OMPs and BACs and anything else I haven't personally tested because they may or may not work. But instead people take a chance and I get feedback like this:

Perfect transaction, thanks for the BAC! - Buyer Centzon

I'll just take this as a lesson learned in coherence. From now on I will put in big *** bold red ******* letters:
SOLD AS-IS
in all of my for sale threads for those that are too dense to get that from:
"I was planning on using this stuff, but went a different direction so no longer need it."
"bought this used off of another member as apart of a kit, but already had one. Has two taps."



Thou doth protest too much, me thinks. Are you upset that I posted your personal message that now goes against popular opinion? I appreciate your magnanimous act though, thank you. I wish it would have worked out for you/all of us.


Well, I have had one hell of a shitty day today. At least I can find some comfort in knowing that $60 is not that big of a deal to me as it is to others. That put in the same position as Fuhnortoner I would have actually put in some elbow grease as suggested by jr2dad6888 to make my half priced used legit part worth the price of what an off brand low quality part would cost instead of making a big deal about it. You x-rayed the part to check for cracks, yet you have no access to a machine that can sand down the small areas that are uneven to make it mate?


Thank you! At least someone gets it…..I almost gave up hope.

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It's the principal of the point.

FAL

iTrader: (16)

My thoughts exactly

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My thoughts exactly

rx7roller02

No worries, man. I'm not complaining that you asked styx.


And with all respect due to styx--he's a good guy--he did not look at the whole issue, I believe. Consider his remarks, then apply the details of this situation and you will see what I mean.

No, that is not "one way to take it". As a seller, you are 100% responsible for the content of your FS threads. Period. If you did not intend to show the parts as usable, you and you alone are fully responsible for what you post.


This is where you and I disagree. I know you've been on here a long time and you have had considerable dealings within the classifieds....enough to know that if you MEAN to say "these parts are untested and are sold as-is", then you SAY that. You instead chose not to make ANY statement that went anywhere near "I have never confirmed if these parts are in good working order".

Exactly my point--you have dealt with untested parts before, and you seem to have never had a problem informing the members here that the parts in question were in fact untested. But for whatever reason, you did not make any such representation in this case. That is why I disagree with you about how "you intended the wording to mean that you have not confirmed if this part is in good working order". You've had no trouble posting it before, but in this case, you tell us that you intended to use these parts yourself??

In case you did not notice, and apparently you didnt, there is a big difference between:

"I have never tried these parts so I cannot speak as to their actual working condition"

And:

"I was going to use these on my car but decided to go in a different direction".

The second statement does not IN ANY WAY show that you never tested the parts. it only shows that you bought it from someone else and intended to use it in your own build but decided to try something else instead. TESTING a part, and USING a part are two different things, and those terms are not interchangeable. It is easily conceivable that you could buy a part, test it, then put it on the shelf for intended use in a later project....the fact that you said you were going to use it yourself would lead a buyer to believe that you knew it worked well enough to consider putting it on your own car.


I understand what you are saying, but at the end of the day, the standard used on this forum has always been that the seller is 100% responsible for the way they advertise their parts. No matter the part, what it is made of, what brand it is, the standard has always been that way. I'm not going to change it now in this case just because it's a name-brand part made from aluminum.

As I mentioned before, let's discuss those "important parts". Styx mentioned some things that do not line up with the actual details of this situation and those things make a difference.

This is not at all what happened. If the buyer was complaining that he did not get a top quality part for half price, then this would fit. But he didn't--he bought a part that he expected to work as it should, because you gave him NO indication that it was untested and might not. That's a difference that this forum has never looked the other way on.

Styx admits he is not speaking for the forum. I am speaking for the standard of this forum. Not the same thing. Also, This is not a case of "getting discount parts". You two negotiated a price and you agreed to that price. You do not get to come back later and complain about the price that you agreed upon at that time. Doesnt work that way, so let's put that one to rest here and now. If the price were so bad, you should not have agreed to sell it for that price. That's on you, not on the buyer.

Finally, you and tui both missed this part of what styx told you:

The man stated his opinion to you based solely on your side of the story. And he even told you that his response to you was exactly that, and not to be taken as more than that. But here you are, trying to ignore the parts you dont like and trying to uphold the parts that suit you. Again, doesnt work that way.

Not sure where this is even going, because no one here, myself included, said anything about banning you.

Read over the highlighted portions again that I just posted, and you will see that he does not agree with you so much after all. You told him part of the story, asked what he thought, and then expect that to carry weight even when he told you that it was nothing more than one man's opinion?

You are "led to believe" wrong then. I laid out my thoughts quite plainly. I am a classifieds section moderator. Styx, again with all respect due to him, is not. He moderates different sections. And he works his tail off for this forum, dont get me wrong. But you are asking a mod who does not handle the classifieds to address a classifieds issue....two times in his response he made it clear to you that he was NOT trying to speak for the forum. If you are going to lend weight to what he told you, then lend weight to EVERYTHING that he told you--don't cherry-pick which parts to count in and which parts to forget about.

My position is not changed, because at the end of the day, once again, we have always used the standard that the seller is 100% responsible for how they list their parts for sale.

Since you are so big on the words people say, FAL, did you not post this yourself earlier in this very thread??

Well, I'm one of the classifieds moderators. I believe you should refund the money. Please do so, gladly.

rx7roller02

With all due respect to you, you cannot likewise point to only half of what styx said, then proclaim that "he got it right", while ignoring the other half of what he said.

Regarding "not sure why roller did not consider and post up", please do us a favor and leave the moderating to the moderators. You do not have a dog in this fight so to speak and there's already one person in this thread cherry-picking people's responses, keeping only the portions that suit them...we do not need another one.

The seller NEVER "made it clear he had no hands on experience with". This is that simple. He said he bought it from someone else. He said he planned to use it on his own car. Remember this too--a portion of this debate is people trying to fault the buyer for not testing the part until months later. If YOU were a seller, why would YOU try to fault the buyer, as FAL has done here, for not testing a part...if you yourself do not test the parts YOU buy?? Does that make any sense to you??

Didnt think so.

rx7roller02

I have already explained that you implied no such thing. No matter how many times you keep stating to the contrary, this truth will simply not change to suit your claim.


Yeah, let me stop you right there. You already told us that in those cases, YOU MADE IT CLEAR that the part was UNTESTED. Why would you know enough to do that in those other cases but not do it here? Don't try to rewrite reality with claims of "I IMPLIED it"....you already tried to make the excuse that you had no reason to make such a claim about this part because it was a Greddy and its made of aluminum. So please, let's pick a story and stick to it. Either you DID imply, which you did not, or you thought there was no need to post more specific details, which you also have told us. Remember when you said this:

This would work a whole lot easier for you if you would just face up to the fact that you did not imply anything about whether or not it worked, because you even admit that you did not feel that there was a need to. Instead, you keep trying to claim that you "IMPLIED it" when you obviously did not.

I dont much care for the attitude youre displaying, insulting the buyer in this case because of YOUR mistake.

Do you realize that the consumer protection laws make no distinction where the the seller got the items he's selling? That "as-is" does not rely upon whether or not you bought the parts from some other guy or from Greddy directly? As-is needs to be STATED PLAINLY. you've done it before, telling people that the OMP you were selling was untested....so why in the world would you ignore that responsibility now? Stop blaming the buyer for your lack of action.


No, he's probably upset because you are trying to twist his words into something that he clearly told you twice that he was not saying or providing here. He gave you his opinion based upon your side of the story and nothing more--and he even told you that. And then, you post up the PM he sent to you, as though it were public, and ignore the parts you dont like. Not a very good decision, I must say.


Look, let's cut the crap. Are you going to live up to your word or not? A simple yes or no will suffice. It does not matter how many machines he has access to--when you sell parts on this forum, you WILL be held accountable for the description you provide. This is the way we have always done it here. This is the way it will continue to be done. That's the bottom line here. It's up to you what you plan to do next. But I would suggest that you can that attitude, you have no business going off on other people because you did not properly describe your situation with these parts.

FAL

iTrader: (16)

You win some, you lose some I guess. I don't feel like typing another long drawn out reply to every paragraph. I am a man of my word and I did say "refund gladly", but I might have exaggerated about the gladly part lol.

PM Paypal address. You can keep the paper weight as a present



------
Really quick though…..

I just thought there would be some kind of statute of limitations. Maybe on a defective new part their might not be. This was sold as a used part and then sat on for 4 months. When does it end? Can I come back 10 years from now when something I bought for my current build thats been sitting on a shelf all this time and I finally decided to use it and it doesn't work and get a refund? I still believe what I posted in that thread was sufficient enough to understand that I had not tested myself and others here have agreed. Don't worry I learned my lesson and I will make sure next time even the dimmest of wits will be able to understand.


I'll stop kicking this dead horse now.

rx7roller02

There is no set statute of limitations so to say, but it's known that your buyer did not have a way to test the part until his car was able to make boost. Unfortunately, sometimes with 7 owners, parts get bought and then they sit for a while until the build or rebuild is at the point where those parts are needed. Trust me, if he had been driving around for 4 months and then the part stopped working, this thread would have ended long ago. We take it by the situation.

Cosmo_TT

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Whoa whoa, I never knew I was even brought up in this, I didn't read the whole thing but I see it's about a compression tube, and if that's the one that I sold with the whole intercooler kit, then that's something that happened after I had it cause I have video of it on my car and not leaking and working and boosting just fine, I took it straight off my working car and boxed it up and packed it well too, so not sure what happened after me or maybe if it was your TB and not the elbow, idk, but that's a little weird

Tui

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I'm not going to go to the trouble of parsing up your response, so I'll respond this way.

1. Ok, the rest of Styx's post was:

"*Personal solution,use a piece of gasket paper and make a gasket in between the elbow and throttle body.
I actually do that to my cars anyways as I hate that ******* O-Ring.it doesn't seal worth a ****.

Roller is on and off the forum lately so it may take a little time to get a response.
I am not speaking for the Forum just a "one on one view".
Getting discount parts can have it's consequences.If it didn't work out for the guy then really "too bad".
If he decides to put up a "BG thread" then I think he'll get buried with grow
the hell up.
By the way the Transaction is past the Paypal expiration so If he was so concerned he could have complained then."

Tell me how the rest of his post makes any difference to my pointing out he was dead on? Especially when he offered a construction solution.

2. By posting just what you did, whether it was intentional or not, painted a distorted picture. It would be like me saying "You are a stupid idiot" and leave out "for only buying 1,000 shares of Tesla when you got it for $19 a share" and even more by leaving out " but a genius for selling when it hit $250".

3. Actually it is THAT clear in his for sale thread that he NEVER said he was going to use it on his car. He stated quite clearly he already had one, so what would he do with another?

4. I'll give you that. But it is rare when I don't at least bench test used parts right away just because it might be a while before I install them. But being it's a name brand part with no moving parts, I also probably wouldn't have bench tested that particular part. So agree that is not a fair criticism.

5. With all due respect, Dude, why do you feel you needed to close with a belittling put down?

rx7roller02

I already did this in detail, it was based solely on half the story and was specifically stated to only be his opinion based on that half the story, nothing more. Go read it where I posted it, not posting it again.

Leave your analogies at the door. YOU do not moderate here. Stop trying to debate this. As I said, you have no dog in this fight, and since you've already been informed that we know who you really are, and that you know youre not supposed to be here, this will be the last time I tell you....next time, it will be your favorite hammer.

Actually, it is THAT clear in his for sale thread that he DID say this:

https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generati...-fmic-1053965/

Very first line:
Any questions?? Next time you try to get in my business, at least read the actual post youre trying to criticize me about.

Like I said, leave the moderating to the moderators. You will not be told this again.

Then, by your admission, the seller should have tested this part, since he bought it and it sat up instead of being used right away on his own car. Thanks for pointing out what I already mentioned. But like I said, leave the moderating to us, thanks. If we need your help, we'll go look you up on RCC and ask for it.

Youre supposed to be a grown man, and the words "didnt think so" make you feel so belittled and put down? Grow yourself a skin, Mr. Nail....

That is not a put-down in anyone's book....except yours, apparently. But do go on, you've proceeded to follow me around since you signed this bogus account up here. It stops here and now.