540 whp FC s/5 (no nos)
hey guys i'm the newbie to this forum,but old to the game.dynoed the car @
PROTECH performance 8-06-04 this was done w/ a s/5 block 9.7 rotors MAZDADRAGRACING.COM apex seals and a PT 74mm turbo.fuel system was done by HASS @ PROTECH PERFORMANCE will have photos posted soon. EMS is a haltech e6k and tuned by me. the 540 whp was @ 25 psi and w/ a mild tune!!! I think it will lay down 600+ w/ a little more "tweaking" goal is to run 9.50's w/ a factory 5 speed , factory rear end ,etc....(full street trim) yes i can drive this on the street w/ no problem. took the car to the track in ennis last week and had alot of problems,but would like to thank HASS,GREG,RIC,and ARI for there support ran the car here @ san antonio raceway and clicked off a 10.96@ 124mph shutting it down @ 1/8 mile due to oil line problems :( |
Tearbo2, glad to hear about the car. I have been wondering what else you have done with it. How come you havent been on Teamfc3s lately?
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been very busy w/ my job,nothing against fc3s forum.jus hangin around and
postin all over the forums.jus a little FYI and some giggles.the day i hauled the car to austin.some guy was flagin me down,because he wanted to buy my car i yelled and told him it was NOT 4 sale.he laughed and said everything is 4 sale :rlaugh: :rlaugh: :rlaugh: :rlaugh: :rlaugh: :rlaugh: :rlaugh: :rlaugh: NOT TEARBO!!!!!!!!! |
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This is me in ennis had ALOT of problems. it should of been me and ari in the finals,i wanted revenge on that car BAD.ari even gave me an axle to compete
the next day,but the oil cooler line gave me grief!!! should be ready for some sub 9 sec passes soon PROTECH PERFORMANCE will be doing the 10 point cage |
wow... those are some serious #s you got there. car looks great!
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Holy shit!?
Mind giving a list of all your mods? I'm curious. |
thanks guys the list is fairly easy the turbo is a PT74mm turbo the engine is built by TOSCANO racing(ME) it is a s/5 STOCK PORT block 9.7:1 rotors the best apex
seals i've used MAZDADRAGRACING.COM (3mm) cut by ROTARY PERFORMANCE the block is pinned (4 xtra) BY PROTECH PERFORMANCE using 4 1600cc inj HALTECH e6k MSD 7AL (leading) 2 6AL trailing the intercooler is under the dash yes that is correct it is a air to water temp @ the line is 53deg F @ the end of the track it is 71 degF not bad since this was rec here in TEXAS in the summer heat 95deg f + this is also w/ a stock s/5 upper n lower (NO PORTING) the manifold is a CARTECH (old school) CORKY BELL magic is what i call it it is a cast manifold.when i told him how much power it made he was proud to see the FC block made 650hp (flywheel)w/ his manifold that was produced 10 years ago the temps are w/ ice water! |
No porting to the motor!? Jeez man, with a large streetport or half-bridge you could see even crazier HP numbers.
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thats what i hear,the last "street port" i used gave me problems.this was also
when i was using a factory ecu.I think it was too much over lap,but soon i will be swaping out the FC for an FD but will not do the swap until I run 9.60's @ 140mph this might be soon because the car is haulin ASS w/ 540whp jus need to get this damm oil leak under control so i can make a clean pass,and not run all of this power into the wall!!! belive it or not the STOCK axels are holding up quite well 1.49 60 fts this is w/ a +8 pinion angle i could do a whole thred on this subject |
dang. that is one fast freaking car. hope you make your goal. good luck to ya
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u should run like 9's with that amount of HP. my friend runs 10.3 on 450 @20 psi to the wheels . stock tranny .rear end. u probably missing something there. also hes car is carbed. not bragging just curious
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Originally Posted by tearbo2
it is a s/5 STOCK PORT block
that is simply amazing to get that much power out of them little baby ports!! Are you still using factory stationary gears? also how much lag do you have? |
Very, very impressive :)
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That is frikin amazing. I'm hoping for my 500RWHP dyno very soon :) Nice car!!
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Originally Posted by tearbo2
thats what i hear,the last "street port" i used gave me problems.this was also
when i was using a factory ecu.I think it was too much over lap,but soon i will be swaping out the FC for an FD but will not do the swap until I run 9.60's @ 140mph this might be soon because the car is haulin ASS w/ 540whp jus need to get this damm oil leak under control so i can make a clean pass,and not run all of this power into the wall!!! belive it or not the STOCK axels are holding up quite well 1.49 60 fts this is w/ a +8 pinion angle i could do a whole thred on this subject p.s. I also have a friend with 460-500rwhp with stock ports. It can be done, just a lot harder. |
so it goes without saying you like the PT turbo. Their prices match up good with a GT35/40 I was going to get. How is the lag on the PT?
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no lag!!!! my last setup was a 64e pt turbo,and greg from PROTURBOKITS.COM
helped me select the 74mm turbo.when i launch the car it is jus free revin.i try to keep the rpm's near the 6000rpm range so that when it KICK BACKS it will fall in the power band.i get full boost @ 4500rpm (25psi) will be posting the dyno sheet soon,HASS from PROTECH has it on disk.so that you can see how quick the turbo responds to STOCK PORTS,also i will be tunning a 3rd gen next weekend that has a similar setup,I built it to my specs STOCK PORTS 3mm apex seals and using a pt67s turbo that I selected.it is also water cooled so i'm hoping to lay down some good numbers w/ that. stay tuned.................... |
Originally Posted by BRIDGEP0RTED
that is simply amazing to get that much power out of them little baby ports!! Are you still using factory stationary gears? also how much lag do you have?
yes the factory stationary gears is what i use,but i do "heat treat them" and i use the mazda 3 window race bearings |
Just how in the hell are you running a 9.7:1 compression ratio and 25PSI?
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Originally Posted by snub disphenoid
Just how in the hell are you running a 9.7:1 compression ratio and 25PSI?
and it would be if you try to run a 9.7:1 ratio w/ alot of timing.when i first started out w/ the 9.7's i was cracking irons all day long,i could not make over 400whp but this was w/ a factory ecu no piggy backs or anything like that.long story short I chose the HALTECH E6K for more control,which = more power!!!so w/ that said as long as you keep the air temps low (75degF) (AIR2WATER)(ICE) the rotary LOVES boostin 9.7's the main thing to remember is that the more power the engine makes w/ out a "hairdryer" the more power it will make w/ the "hairdryer" last note......... COMPRESSION IS EVERYTHING you jus got too b able 2 KEEP it under control. :bigthumb: |
Damn, I'm impressed!!
I suddenly feel much better about my setup :) |
That's amazing with no porting... Just fucking amazing...
Glad to have you on the board here! |
Good job, sounds like a hell of a ride...
Guess that stops ReTed and his "air to water I/C's suck" bit, eh? Bravo on a job well done, hope you get the bugs out. |
Yea, those rotors are probably why you have no lag on that setup, that is amazing. Totally right about compression tho, the higher the better, just have to be able to controll it. I can't believe that you didn't try to run even an safc at 400hp, thats crazy and a waste of money on those housings you fucked up. I thought you HAD to have an safc if you got larger injectors, as in the stock ECU cannot use them or some shit. It'd be nice if you explained that to me, as I don't understand ;)
Finally, that manifold, are you saying that corky bell fucking built it! or are you saying that the maker built it using the corky bell guidlines in his book? That guy knows his shit, if any of you take a look at that book it gives very very good specifications on how to build a perfect manifold, exhaust or intake. It has all the information that you could want on a turbo system. Although there are a few things left out in the book, in fact he really doesn't get into ECU systems from what I read, I think just becuase the book is dated, but awesome information none the less. |
Originally Posted by 13b4me
That's amazing with no porting... Just fucking amazing...
Glad to have you on the board here! First off, his ICE deal there that he mentioned is not a conventional street method for cooling the intake charge, and doesn't counter anything ted said. But there is a place for water-air intercooling in a street setup, using ice and shit is way better than air-air, but you can't have ice all the time, thus not being a street application. Air-air will be better than just cooled water-air tho. |
higher the compression the less timing you want to run
and at anything over 14-15 PSI you better be using race gas.... love your car lee keep up the good fight I hope to join you soon in the 10 second club thats till you skip me and join the 9 second club.... hehe :D driveshaftshop has some chromoly axles shafts for our cars btw |
Originally Posted by kabooski
higher the compression the less timing you want to run
and at anything over 14-15 PSI you better be using race gas.... love your car lee keep up the good fight I hope to join you soon in the 10 second club thats till you skip me and join the 9 second club.... hehe :D driveshaftshop has some chromoly axles shafts for our cars btw engine setup really dosent need it. but I will go into a lil more detail, I run alot in vac & lower boost then take away and flatten it accross the board. so when I say i don't run alot of timing I mean in higher boost levels.jus like KABOOSKI was sayin so w/ that said it's about 38 deg in vac and tapers down to 15deg @ about 15 psi this is a mild timing setup,more aggressive would be about 1deg retard from 1psi and so on.(23 deg @ 15psi) now to the CORKY BELL manifold,it is a old back n the day manifold.iv'e had this manifold for about 8 yrs. hey KABOOSKI, are you running the driveshaftshop axles? looks like i'll be giving them a call. becuz i'm gonna spray the car SOON !!!!! |
not yet
since I have extra axles :D but I slip the clutch of the line a bit giving less shock on the drivetrain 1.61 60' on ET streets on stock suspension I just finished upgrading my fuel system and I'm ready to turn up the boost ran 11.7@119 @ 14 PSI on a T66 now got a PT67 going to crank it up to 22 PSI in a couple of weeks at the Dyno see what she can do |
Originally Posted by kabooski
not yet
since I have extra axles :D but I slip the clutch of the line a bit giving less shock on the drivetrain 1.61 60' on ET streets on stock suspension I just finished upgrading my fuel system and I'm ready to turn up the boost ran 11.7@119 @ 14 PSI on a T66 now got a PT67 going to crank it up to 22 PSI in a couple of weeks at the Dyno see what she can do ARE you running 1 or 2 fuel pumps? i'm running 2 walbro 255lph in tank pumps feeding it w/ -8 inlet fuel lines,-6 return line w/ a s/x (fpr) nice time w/ LOW boost KABOOski !!!!!!!! |
Yep same here 2 walbro's
left the orginal feed line and just ran another -6AN line to the firewall and then I used a Y fitting at the firewall that goes -8AN to the custom rails also exiting thru a SX FPR still using stock return I only use the other pump after I hit a certain boost amount |
Originally Posted by kabooski
Yep same here 2 walbro's
left the orginal feed line and just ran another -6AN line to the firewall and then I used a Y fitting at the firewall that goes -8AN to the custom rails also exiting thru a SX FPR still using stock return I only use the other pump after I hit a certain boost amount |
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I see your point
the way I see it The -8AN Fuel Line coming out of the Y should have both flow and sustained pressure feeding the Fuel rails The MagnaFuel Y fitting is a 2 -6AN to a single -8AN The line connecting the primary and secondary fuel rail is a -8AN and these custom fuel rails are twice as large as the stock ones I used before I'll keep an eye on the fuel pressure guage as I increase the boost and injector duty cycle when I go to the Dyno soon.......... nevermind the slicon I used on the Fuel pump housing lid..hehe :D I made the holea tiny bit too big and didnt wan't gas fumes |
i would really love to see clips of your car running street/track...whatever...just show it...
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so its pretty much a drag setup right? any chance you could post a dyno so we can see the curve?
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Great stuff Lee and Kabooski. Can't wait to see your car at the track, Lee!
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Yeah we need some video with sound. Love to hear it!
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Wow, car sounds awesome. Glad your experience with Hass went better then mine, he fucked me over big time.
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Wow, Rotary Performance screwed me hard, and Haas has been the best- cool guy
I would deduce that RP would do a good job for you, plus they are close to you. I know alot of people get good work there. I guess it was the 'pistons rule, rotors drool' t- shirt I had on that pissed 'em off. One of these days when I'm drunk and bored, I'll post what happened- it was a fucking boogeyman type nitemare. |
update!!!!!
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Wow that is pretty insane......I didnt know a stock port could yeild somuch power but then again that is some really high boost levels....25psi??
wow.. |
I just made 506@25psi on a PT67 P trim, almost no porting(whatever that means ;) ) Anyway, conservative tune. My car is for road race, but I think there's 550 in it at the same boost with some more tuning. Cast mani, Ebay WG, all the trick stuff :D Here's a link to the dynos, double click on the images. The RPM are estimates from an overlay I did. Carl
http://www.teamfc3s.org/forum/member...tos&car_id=562 |
very nice carl, are you using the the stock cas or are you using hall effect?
@ this level WE need to go w/ hall effect, i'm gonna start a thread on my new setup soon. |
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