Water Injection What Is The Best Kit
 

Hi Im Looking For A Water Injection Kit Wondered Which One Is The Best To Use And The Best Place To Buy It.
Thanks

thats a personal decision you have to make from yourself, after research.

i have an older cooling mist kit and am very happy with it. they have a new kit with electronic controler. i think they have maping capabilitys now

The new controller has a 1D map, with the ability to turn on/off on a second input. So you can adjust the amount of water going in based on boost or RPM or any other 5V input (Injector duty, etc.) and turn it on or off with the other one. It's a fairly slick system, although I personally would like it to be able to use both inputs as a map reference.

I'm going to post a writeup of my WI system soon, I just finished the install last night. :D

Your own country makes one of the best. http://www.aquamist.co.uk/

man I sure would like to see a thread with water vs. alchohol injection.

**goes searching**

THANKS PEOPLE
i already no about aquamist just wondered who else made kits before i go ahead.

Water is supposed to dissapate heat 6 times better than alcohol. At least that is what the aquamist website had to say about it. :)

the benefits of AI (Auxiliary Injection) IMO are vastly under-appreciated as to our turbo'd rotaries.

if ever there was an engine that could benefit from injected cooling the rotary is at the top of the list. it's all about excess HEAT.

it can also be about turning up the boost and advancing the timing.

if you do water you will lower your egts and promote engine durability.

if you do alcohol (as in methanol, ethanol or isopropyl) you can also turn up the boost, advance the timing just like you are running really expensive racegas. the only difference is that the system uses the alcohol ONLY when you are under boost so you use it sparingly. i have a 4 gallon fuel cell for my methanol and it will last thru many tanks of gas.

do not discount the fact that alcohol really cools. i have friend who runs an 800 rwhp 2 rotor drag car on 100% methanol on high (can't say how high) boost and doesn't even use an intercooler! you can't put your hand on his intake manifold it is so cold after a quick trip down the quarter mile.

rookies get caught up in the fact that water has more latent heat absorption than alcohol but water doesn't provide BTUs. you just run MORE (v water) alcohol to get the proper cooling and you also get much higher octane as alcohol burns smoothly... so you get to bump the timing another 3 plus degrees and run 25 psi boost instead of 15.

i am not knocking water. it is fine for cooling your motor. you will generally pay a few hp for the trade. water can be an excellent answer for many. it just depends on your objectives.

for those who are willing to make an investment of their time to properly understand AI i recommend Turbobuick.com. go to the Alcohol, Nitrous and Propane Tech section of the site. the section is 64 pages of threads! 2527 threads going back to mid 2001.

as you recall the GN Buicks came turbocharged and the section deals with all of the problems, solutions that evolved... it starts w water and ends w alcohol BTW.

the typical 231 cu inch pushrod, 2 valve buick running on pump gas and methanol weighs 3850 pounds w driver and runs a 134 mph quarter.

i will let the site speak for itself as to conclusions re what to run and whom to deal with. in addition to the vast amount of acquired knowledge on the site there are links to a few key technical articles that are valuable.

i have just completed the installation of my AI system and i am really happy as to how it turned out.

my Jaz 4 gallon fuel cell is in the spare tire well as far to the rear and pass side of the car for weight distribution. i removed the center pedestal in the tire well to lower the cell another 3 inches. the braided stainless steel line runs forward from the cell thru the tirewell wall, turns toward the driver's side of the car along the rear rollbar and passes forward between the floor and the rear suspension crossmember to link up w the pump. the pump is located under the black plastic panel just infront of the driver's side rear axle. a perfect fit. the output line of the pump fits in the fuel line clips and runs forward to the elbow.
my control box is on top of the steeringwheel bezel w the J&S knock sensor LED dial and the low methanol light and pump light are located in the mounting bracket. the pump control box w a relay and the other system adjustment box are both in the pass side compartment behind the seat w my battery. i run a short wire over the driveshaft hump thru the unused ABS sensor hole in the driver's side compartment to the pump. the fuel cell vents into the water drain line from the sunroof pass side.

no pix... perhaps later.

i will be firing my motor today and will report as i do my tuning.

howard coleman

I look forward to hearing more!! 25psi w/ aggressive timing on a TT set-up, I really look forward to reading more!

I am also very interested in your results. I have read through countless threads on Water/Alcohol incjection.

Howard and I have been working together on this for the past few months. I'm installing the same system he is (basically) but in my FC. I am almost finished with mine; the cell and pressure lines should show up around this coming Tuesday or so.

This system is the best there is, bar none. It will revolutionize not only the power output our engines are capable of on pump gas but also the (lack of) reliability record we've got.

Here's the link to the pictures of my installation: http://bdc.cyberosity.com/v/BDC/AlkyControl/

B

Im with howard all the way on this one. Not only on the FD have i been using this but also a freind on a former NA FB which now runs 16 psi on a high comp motor.

I dont think the aquamist kit will alow you to run high precentage of alch ( due to its development )

Most of the other kits are very similar. IMHO i would aviod barbed fittings where possible due to the reliablilty factor. The coolingmist controller is fine as long as you under stand what it will and wont do for you.. I monitors the vac line and will adjust to vacum. it will also enable you to use a 0-5 volt input. So you could connect it to a egt or map senosor or tps etc.
As far as i know the aquamist kit is the only one which will mimic the inj duty. ( but others are working on that )

It has been suggested to use the Megasquirt ecu to control the injection but i dont know about this approach.

After using a controller i would never go back to a dumb system. Both have there draw backs tho.


Scott

I agree, Scott, on having a controller-based system. These things need to be done with respect to the changes in engine loads. Having "single" or "dual" stage systems have a benefit in and of themselves but only at a given load point -- they're too much at lower loads and too little at higher. The AlkyControl system is one of the few that is load-based, taking a 5V MAP sensor input as its load determinate, that will inject alcohol based on those load changes as well as what the user has input. If we're talking about replacing upwards of 30% of our standard fuel injection with alcohol then we need a system that is capable of not only being fine-tunable according to changing loads but also have the capability of injecting large amounts in at higher loads. I just don't see these other systems doing these two things with precision control. This kind of stuff, for our needs atleast, literally need to be secondary fuel systems.

B

BDC,

You have hit the nail on the head more than you think.

I am looking forward in development to the next level. I have concidered a motec or microtech ecu and using the additional injector drivers with meth injectors and a seperate fuel pump for full mapability.

I can see the temp correction as a limiting factor with the current set ups.

I am looking forward to howards system up and running. After using meth i cant see any point in using water anymore. It would be really cool to get a group of like minded people together and pass on datalogs and idea etc to develop this.

oops back to your thread.....

Scott

hey bdc your links to the pics is down and i'd love to see that setup. Also do you guys have some links to the setups yall recommend? have you guys ever heard of this one and does it work well. http://www.smcenterprises.com/alcohol.htm

We have the ability to do anything with the 0-5V input and the boost input. We could map it any way we want. One of the major advantages of the varicool unit is the advanced software feature. We developed this controller with the necessary hardware to support what we need to do in the future. we write the software in house, meaning we could make your wishes become a reality.

we get vague requests all the time "I want a 2d map referencing maf vs boost". Or something of that effect.

What we need a specifics of what you want. Actual details. Until someone steps up to the plate and drives home the details of what is needed, our controller will not have that ability. We could sit back and guess and do some cool things, but at the end of the day we want this controller to be yours, with your ideas. Many of the changes in our version 2 flash have incorporated some really cool things such as lighting the led in solid green when the pump is energized and a software "knob locking" feature. We can do many more things but need details.

If its something that a wide group of people can use, IE something we can do universal...we can easily do this and offer it with our controller. Previous owners will need a re-flash.

FYI, we have a new attachment now that can allow for temperature correcting. It hooks up to the AUX input, we can adjust the flow based on a 1 or 2 map based on intake temps and boost.

I will emphasize we have the most advanced progressive methanol injection controller on the market. Nothing compares to it.

The thing i like about the coolingmist controller is the fact i can adjust it more than the others. It also has the added bonus of being able to log boost and WI related info to your pc in real time. This facility has been invaluable with the other car we run this on. load vs boost is really the next step. I have tried to figure this but so far have failed. In a ideal world we could get a 0-5volt supply from the injector driver but in the real world this is not possible.
I did how eva manage to find a guy on the fc datalogit forum who had an idea of how to achieve this.
I am more than happy to help develope ideas with other and help others.

David ive not spoken to you in a while. The kit is running well. I am getting to grips with everything now. I am collecting as much data as i can from the system so i can be more objective later on. A pump on light would be a nice idea.

Scott

LOL. Im very keen on the temp correction thing. do you have any info you could send me.

Hi Scott,

good to hear from you. If you want the light on feature, we can flash the system for you. You would need to send the unit back to us to reflash, there would be a small fee to reflash. If you want the temp correction sender, you can tell me how you want this to work and I can how we can make your controller do this, or develop the application/controller for those that want to use the feature.

Also, we have a major, major, major addition to the controller that will be released shortly. I would recommend not having your controller reflashed until this is released. I cant tell you what it is yet, all I can say is that just like our controller its an industry first and something that no other controller will have.

Thanks!

Is there a benefit to using a pump controller as oposed to a programable injector, like this?

Yeah.

You can adjust the amount you inject according to boost for example. So there will be a better tune obtained from it because you wont have to suffer as much in the over saturation areas.

Its a bit like having 2 differant injectors ina fuel system, one for high and one for low as aposed to a fuel map for adjustment

Scott

Both styles work, they just do it in a different way.

The nice thing about our unit, we could easily pulse an injector or solenoid by just changing the software and reflashing. It would cost us nothing other than time. It becomes more expensive to the customer to pulse a solenoid (due to the cost of the solenoid) so we chose this option.

If we ever feel that customers want the vari-cool in pulsing the solenoid instead of the pump we would consider offering that style as well.

thanks!

- at the risk of restating from this and other threads based on my understanding-
The perfect controller would be able to maintain methanol/alky as a defined (but adjustable) percentage of fuel flow under all conditions. To aid in tuning simplicity having the software calculate and display in alky/fuel ratio would make tuning easier because no gauge can tell us what percent alky we are squirting but that is of vital importance in how far to push. It would have to use the same methods as the ECU to determine this flow rate to include MAP, Intake Temp, TPS, ?? and know the alky and fuel injector sizing. This may be possible to piggyback off of the injector signal ala Aquamist, but pri/sec transition and varying fuel pressure may play havoc on that setup. To keep cost down, the controller could get MAP from the ECU's sensor but calibration would need to be user definable for those of us that have aftermarket MAP sensors. Another bonus would be the capability to adjust the alky/fuel ratio by boost, ie a definable correction curve like this:
10lbs boost = 10% alky per fuel
15lbs = 20% alky
20lbs = 30% alky
with the software establishing a curve between the defined data points
Essentially it would have to be a piggyback ECU with software that allowed just about everything to be user definable in DATALOGIT/Haltech fasion. Of course, that means user screw-up-able as well.
That turned out kinda long - does it make sense?

Chris - not squirting yet, but will be

To tune alky you will need no more than a good wibe band, knock sensor, egt gauge.

The beauty of fuels are they can be tuned with a wideband. as long as the alky fuel curve is a close match then you can compensate in the fuel map (ecu) to get a perfect match.
A controller can give you this close match unlike the staged (dumb system) The surflo pump will alow you to run alsorts of chemicals that the aquamist one cant.

I tune my alk as a blended fuel so i get a good tune. Drop AFR as a measurment and revert fo Lambda for tuning. You can go leaner and more advanced with alk.

Scott

you can get lost in la la land w all the gee if we did it this ways but the important pieces that make up a professional AI system are there for the asking today.

sure, if there was a way to translate total injector duty cycle it might be a slight advantage over going from the map sensor. slight.

as Scott says... you need a user defined progressive controller and it needs to be bulletproof and repeatable. you then can do fine tuning either w the pump gas or alcohol.

IMO a knock sensor, digital loggable egt and AFR are not options if you plan to do any proper tuning.

the system needs to be bulletproof. if it takes a dive you might fry your motor if you have "tuned up" for alcohol.

stainless steel lines, brass fittings and a major amp capacity for the controller are more important than having 500 curves for delivery.

if your AI is going to be 100% alcohol....methanol for instance, i strongly recommend you carefully examine Alkycontrol.com's system.

SMC is an offshoot of Jason Cramer. Jason is a TurboBuick racer off the highest order. he runs a 3610 pound stock block 231 cu inch GN and has turned 9.83 seconds at 136 mph.

on PUMP GAS and methanol.

Jason/SMC offers an alcohol kit among many other well designed engine items for the turbo Buick. you could do alot worse than deal w him.

that said Julio Don/Alkycontrol sells nothing but alcohol systems, over 1300 and counting. he is an Electrical Engineer, designed his progressive controller and has been selling them for a number of YEARS. there are some major tricks as to the controller as it has to deal w fairly high amps and not blow a fuse or overheat. you don't want either. no alcohol, no engine.

Julio, like Jason, is a racer. his 3840 pound TurboTransam (turbo buick v6) has run 10.3 at 134 mph. just what rear wheel hp from 231 cu inches is that? a daily driver!

i spent alot of time looking in to AI and i am sold on alcohol and Alkycontrol. i especially like the fact that Julio offers service in the league of Ray Crowe whom i consider to be the best service guy i have ever dealt with. just call Julio and you will be able to shift gears from the what ifs to getting something that will work right on your car.

i again recommend you visit TurboBuick.com as it is probably the best exposition of the evolution of AI. if you spend some time on the Alcohol, Nitrous and Propane Tech section all your questions will be answered and you will know whom to deal with.

if you do want to run water Coolingmist or Snowperformance are 2 legitimate players.

howard coleman

Our controller can handle 30 amps, we have full stainless steel systems. Im not attacking anything you said, im I am simple stating this for anyone that reads so they dont get the wrong idea.


I think its great that there are alternatives and alot of choices. I want to comment that 1300 kits total sold is absolutely nothing. While I dont necessarily think that the number of kits a company sells should be the customers main reason for buying a kit, Alkycontrol has been in business for 3-4 years, 1300 kits means 3-400 kits a year. That is absolutely nothing.

Our kits are 100% methanol compatible. Infact, we have the ONLY pump made by shurflo (the same manufacturer of Alkycontrols pump) that is designed for methanol/water injection. I understand that they attempt to modify the pump, thats great, but our kits run methanol out of the box (if thats what the user wants).

Again, dont take this post the wrong way. I want to clarify for anyone because your post was a little mis-leading interms of running methanol.

David

If you guys are interested in a group buy on our products let me know and I will talk to jason. He ran one a few months ago that worked out real well. If there is enough demand I'll ask him if he wants to run one.

Thanks!

For how long? There is no heat sink to sustain it.

Hows this sound.. not one single pump failure of any kind since Sept last year.

99.9 percent on all controllers MFG'd since day one in business.. no upgrades needed.


Quality not quantity

It is designed to run upto 30 amps, long term. This was part of the design, you can run a 30 amp device all day long if you wish without any damaging of the system.

Our pumps pull a max of 10 amps anyway.


Im happy for you that you have not had any pump failures since september. I am not questioning your systems, frankly I dont care about them. Im simply pointing out the mis-statements about our systems.

I have NO problem with you or anyone else talking about the features of your controllers, but when someone makes a statement about ours that is false, we will respond.

Obviously our controller went through extensive testing and Q/A, so please dont make mis-informed statements like the "heatsink" statement.

interesting info. So both of them do relatively the same thing? maybe both should post websites so we could see both of your sites, info, pros and cons and then make a descision based on that. I've descided I want to go alcohol and would like a system that I can plug in and have my tuner tune it for me and i just let it do it's thing. Are both system able to run alcohol?

OUr website is www.coolingmist.com, our controller kits are here:

http://www.coolingmist.com/pagedispl...key=controller

You can also purchase our kits at rx7store.net, Jason stocks everything we have.

thanks!

If you need to make merits on your system, dont bring my name or what I do into it. Becuase there will be backlash.

When you drive a 30 amp load, there is heat generated. Look at a simple car stereo amplifier that has a 30 amp fuse on its input. It will not fit in the palm of your hand. Whether you have a driver rated at 30 amps and can run at 30 amps.. this is misleading. Like having a 800 HP motor and volkswagen tires. So your statement of being able to run a 30 amp load is false. Becuase there is not enough heat sink to dissipate that kind of heat. And I sincerly hope the "30 amp driver" wasnt mounted directly on the board using the PCB to dissipate the heat, that will lead to cold solder connections. There is another controller on the market that thought it was a neat idea to do so...

The issue of what and how I do to the pump.. there is a reason that is done. Whether the pumps your getting back for warranty pose an issue to you or not, that is your/customer issue. I have never had to send a pump to Shurflo for warranty.. So just like BG modifies Holley Carbs.. I modify the pumps to suit my specific needs.

You like apples.. my pumps are guaranteed unconditionally for one year using straight methanol.. hows them apples :)

Those that want to run water/alcohol/mixes/etc.. non-issue as well.

Good luck with your business.

Again, I can care less about your business, as I pointed out I was correcting the mis-conceptions that were stated by your customer

Ya think?


You are a funny guy. Our controller can up to 30 amps, but as I pointed out, our pump draws up to 10 Amps, so its a non issue. I stand by my statement.

We have shurflo make us a pump to fit our needs, we are to busy to be sitting in our garage modifiying pumps.

If you want to talk about your controller thats one thing, but if You want to make false statements about our systems and controllers, you are barking up the wrong tree.

you both are going to look bad at the end of this...I'd cut the chit-chat. OR break out the rulers ;)

Your more than welcome to come by our place of Retail business

Alkycontrol
8401-a 9th Street N.
St.Petersburg FL 33702

Come check out our showroom :fawk: :balls:


Lets see.. those little Shurflo pumps come with a thermal limiter built in :ky: per your specs rite..

Its ok.. I know where I sit. Search the internet.. go to car forums.. see whos going fast on what system's'.. you'll have your answer.

Here's the question of the day..

Whats the warranty on a pump run on straight methanol?

:icon_tup:

what is your beef with us? I am very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very happy for you.

Our systems and controller stands on its own. Bottom line we have the only shurflo pump designed for meth/water injection from shurfo. We also have the worlds most advanced progressive methanol injection controller.

I'll stop buy your showroom next time I drive through Florida and say hi.

David

i have solution for both of u.. how bout you both donate 1 of your systems to me and install each system on my quest for 500rwhp+ without race gas... ill give a full write-up of each and let the forum decide :) :) sounds like a plan 2 me

Ok, here's what I want to do:

Run the boost reference.
Run a 0-5V line to the aux input with a RPM signal.
Have a table with values (in % of pump flow or lbs/hr)

Here's an example table.

http://www.dekoning.net/images/rx7/coolingmist.gif

I would generate that table myself manually by looking up the fuel injection numbers from my ECU, calculating the % water I want injected at that boost/rpm level and rescaling them to fit whatever # of rows/columns I have available on the Vari-cool.


Also, I do like the option of the LED going on when the controller goes on, just as a check. It would also be nice if you made a small display that connects to the serial output port and displays the % duty on the pump at that time.


Actual Data

Just as a reference data point, I ran my setup for the first time this weekend at the track. I made back to back runs, one with, and one without the controller running.

Car: Street Ported Gotham motor with A-Spec 35R kit, and ASP Large intercooler etc etc running 10psi of boost on the wastegate spring. Varicool was set to come on at 6psi and a max out at 24psi and I was running straight water. (I'll make a post on my complete WI setup at a later time)

Vari-cool off: Ambient 30C (85F) Air intake temp 54C (129F) Water Temp 97C (206F)
Vari-cool on #4 (40%): Ambient 32C (90F) Air intake temp 27C (129F) Water Temp 92C (198F)
Vari-cool on #2 (20%): Ambient 34C (93F) Air intake temp 29C (129F) Water Temp 94C (201F)
Vari-cool on #1 (10%): Ambient 34C (93F) Air intake temp 30C (129F) Water Temp 94C (201F)

Yep, below ambient air intake temps on the stock location sensor! Success!

I used about 1 gallon of water in 20 minutes on #4, 2 quarts on #2, and 1 quart on #1.

I am glad you like your system and that its working for you. Our systems were designed on the Rx-7 (94) and CA-91 octain.

As far as your request goes, the contraints of the system are as follows:

0-5V input
Boost input.

any other kind of input will not work. RPM does NOT work off of a 0-5V. If the RPM signal in your car is a 0-5 ( I would be shocked) we could easily do that.

Having said that, if you get a middleware to convert your RPM to a 0-5, what you want can be done.

David

I have a question... is there anyone here making any significantly large numbers on water injection and pump gas? I don't think anyone has asked this yet.

B

That is what I plan on doing... A small circuit to convert the RPM to 0-5V.

When I get that completed I will let you know. It might be awhile because the system is working well for now :D

i have always wanted a combo of boost (which we have) and fuel injector duty cycle.

after peak torque our motors use 15 to 25% less fuel and it would be nice to be able to re-tailor (i e reduce) the delivery after peak torque at peak limited boost...

yes i know the aquamist keys off primary or secondary injector signal but that does not provide a copy of the IDC due to the interplay between primary and secondary. i may just tune the pump side of the delivery.

howard coleman

Our shop car runs a half bridge, T-78, coolingmist and 22 lbs of boost on pump gas. I dont remember the exact number but it was over 500HP. That is running almost all alky.

Jason

+1

I dont know anyone.. Especially on a small displacement engine.. Usually 14 second 1/4 mile cars :rlaugh:

Here's some alky action..


http://media.ams-evo8.com/videos/amsevo/923run.wmv

:kiss:

i have referred to the turbobuick.com site as a central resource on AI knowledge. over 64 pages of threads in the Alcohol, Nitrous and Propane Tech section.

Julio has been an active participant under the name "Razor" w over 6500 posts. most relate to tuning and setup as well as the nuts and bolts..

his 3850 pound street V6 231 cu in pushrod 2 valve is doing 134 which puts the motor somewhere around 625 rwhp. on 93 octane pump gas and methanol. stock block. grocery getter.

anyway, among the 6200 jewels from Julio i present the following link which is a sticky on the site and deals w tuning alcohol. while it deals w the V6 the fundamentals relate directly to our beloved and wicked rotaries.

enjoy:

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=147348

howard coleman

I thought I would show everyone our soon to be release hand held Vari-Cool commander.

http://www.coolingmist.com/cmbanner.jpg

In late 2005 Coolingmist made an announcement that set the standard for the methanol injection industry. We annouced our prototype for the Vari-Cool Coolingmist Controller. Immediately it was a hit, infact in our first 4 months of release we sold our target for the first year of release!

Progressive controllers give you a start and a max pressure setting. This means you can set the start and the max and the injector will spray more as you get more boost. This is a huge step forward from standard "on/off" boost switch based kits, but it leaves a lot to be desired. Coolingmist Innovates. Its what drives us, its what seperates us from all the other companies that sell progressive controllers. When designing the controller we had several goals in mind.


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Have more features than any other progressive controller
Be more flexible than any other controller
Have more features than any other controller.
Make it affordable.
Innovate it.
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If you look at all the Progressive controllers on the market and then look at ours you will see that the other controllers are basically the same, with few differences. Coolingmist changed this. Some key differences in the vari-cool controller

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1-30 psi start, 1-30 psi max (most controllers have limited range)
easy to use color coded knobs, can be turned by your hand.
The only digital controller on the market with a tuning knob to change the flow rate.

The only progressive controller with a software package and the ability to change all the pump settings including duty cycle, methanol maps, curve, etc.

Datalogging abilities


The only digital progressive controller on the market with both a 0-5V input and a boost port.

Ability to run in 2d mode off 0-5 and boost.
Easy to install with only 4 wires
Ability to tune the EXACT amount of meth/water you need. No other progressive controller can make that claim. This is because our controller can be programmed using your PC to change the flow rate (as well as using the 1-10 knob)
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We are now proud to annouce that the Vari-Cool Commander will be available soon. This is designed for those that want the convenience and portable tunability as well as the ability to monitor vital system functions.



Pictures of our prototype are below. Keep in mind that there are many features of this product that we cant elaborate on. Also, this is not a complete tour. We have many features that have yet to be added and updated. Features:
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Ability to tune the controller from your car using the commander.
Ability to view vital system functions.
Dataloging and recording ability
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Functions that you can view are as follows:
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Boost Pressure
Water Pressure
Gallons Per Hour
Intake Temps
Pump Output %
EGT
Min Knob Setting
Max Knob Setting
Tune Knob Setting
----More to be announced-----
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Things you can Modify from the Commander:
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Min Pump Pressure
Max Pump Pressure
Lock MIN
Lock MAX
Lock Tune
Pump Algorithms/Maps/curve
Set 2d Mode
----More to be announced-----
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Datalogging is one of the nicest feature. The software includes a copy of SQL CE that will hold record your data. The datalogging feature is always on, even when you are in view mode your data is being saved to the database 4 times a second. You can also view this in real time, save a range of datalogs to a file to view later, etc. The system is designed to constantly data log so you dont have to manually set a record button. It will record approx 9000 data events (rougly 1 hour of data), after that 9000 period it will delete the data automatically (other than the data you saved to a file). You can choose as many or as little fields as you want. You can choose the GALLONS PER HOUR and BOOST or all items, its up to you. Things you can Datalog from the Commander:

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Boost Pressure
Water Pressure
Gallons Per Hour
Intake Temps
Pump Output %
Voltage
EGT
Min Knob Setting
Max Knob Setting
Tune Knob Setting
----More to be announced-----
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International Support. The Vari-Cool Commander has the ability to allow you to choose the following:

BAR or PSI
Farenheight or Celsius
Gallons Per Hour or CC/Minute


NOTE: EGT, IAT can be done by purchasing our sender. You can only do one or the other. Voltage can be datalogged from the AUX input.


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NOTE: this is the beta version and prototype. The release version will have features that this version does not have. Also, the look, feel and functionality of the production unit will improved.

This pic show the commander attached to the controller. The screen you see is the first screen. Its a digital representation of the controller itself. The Min, Max and Tune Knobs are in the same position as on the controller.

NOTE: This picture shows the numbers in BAR.
http://www.coolingmist.com/commander...arunlocked.jpg

This pic show the commander attached to the controller as well. this one shows it in PSI and the controller is LOCKED. IF you look close, the blue images next to the numbers show its locked. That means if you turn the knobs on the controller it will not change the flow until you unlock them from the controller

The screen you see is the first screen. Its a digital representation of the controller itself. The Min, Max and Tune Knobs are in the same position as on the controller.

NOTE: This picture shows the numbers in BAR.
http://www.coolingmist.com/commander...reenlocked.jpg






NOTE: This picture shows the numbers in PSI. This screen shows you your boost, intake temp, gallons per hour and water pressure (again, if you choose BAR, Celsius or CC/M for flow that will show up). this screen is the screen the user looks at if you want to get the current status of the main params. Ignore the Intake temp "1" as I have not the sender attached to it for the pic. Notice the color difference? The user can change the colors of allt he different backgrounds/fonts and headers. Throughout this demo will will show you some different color combos.

http://www.coolingmist.com/commanderpics/color1.jpg
http://www.coolingmist.com/commander...reenyellow.jpg
http://www.coolingmist.com/commander...eenyellow2.jpg





NOTE: This is what we call the custom screen. The user can choose ANY two of the params to display. This makes it flexible so you get large fonts but get to see only the params that are most important to you. Again, notice the color change?

http://www.coolingmist.com/commander...tomscreen2.jpg



NOTE:This is the advanced configuration screen for user display values.

http://www.coolingmist.com/commanderpics/advanced1.jpg



NOTE: This is what we call the datalog screen. In this example we choose boost, motoroutput %, Water Pressure and Flow (note the flow is CC/M and the Pressure is BAR for this example).


http://www.coolingmist.com/commanderpics/datalog1.jpg


NOTE: this is the config screen where you setup dataloging..


http://www.coolingmist.com/commander...alogconfig.jpg

NOTE: this is the screen where you change the params of the controller. (pump pressure, maps, min/max knobs, tune knob, etc)..


http://www.coolingmist.com/commander...screenblue.jpg

Coolingmist - Is this something that will be sold as software for a handheld plus the analog controller and system or will it only come as a complete plug-in kit? Will you be able to purchase the controller and commander seperate from a complete system?

Everybody else - Has anybody figured an easy/cheap way to convert RPM to 0-5V?

Software will be sold individually, so if you have a controller you can buy the software to run on your handheld (windows CE or Mobile 5.0). Also, we will have an edition that can run on some of the new phones (smart phones)

You can also buy the handheld from us with the software pre-loaded.
Lastly, you can purchase the tuning kit that will have the controller, handheld and everything together.


Our version I controller that you have will need a reflash to use some of the functionality. 99.5 percent you can use, the ability to LOCK min, max and TUNE as well as lighting a solid green light on the controller itself would need a new flash.

Hope that makes sense. Pricing is not available yet.

David