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Turblown 03-26-07 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by BLUE TII
I finally got that WG set-up to work for me without boost creep by porting the manifold and turbo exhaust housing very large up to the WG runners.


https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...hmentid=144427

https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...hmentid=144429

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Fixed boost creep, but hurt boost response a bit since the stock velocity stacks in the manifold are ported to almost none. I still hits max boost at same rpms (15psi 3,300rpm in 5th), but boost below 3,000rpm boost is lower/slower than it was.

My next stock hybrid will circumvent this problem by putting the WG runners in the manifold right before the velocity stacks and angled so flow wants to exit the WG.

I think that if I put the WG runners in the right spot the turbulence at the far edge of the WG runners will just act as part of the velcocity stack and so not be detrimental to flow.

I am thinking two little Tial WGs to keep it divided instead of one large one with a divider. That WG divider pictured broke again even though it was 1/8" thick SS with a floating design for expansion.

I am thinking of using the BB T04B (T04S) center section and HiFi housing as well.

Anyways, the turbo/WG is working great now. Most of the time Auto-X ing I am having to short shift it keeping it out of the powerband to keep the RA-1s from spinning- but having the power to burn out there on the streets sure is nice. :P


That is quite ported. I slapped a Tial 38MM on a stock S4 exhaust manifold for Node. Curious to see how well that will work. I'm also curious to see if there is a power increase..

BLUE TII 03-26-07 07:27 PM

I think the 38mm will most likely work fine on the S4 since the exhaust gas is turbulent and lower velocity in the large volume undivided S4 manifold.

7-sins 04-11-07 12:07 AM

Since on most external wastegate setups, the bottom side of the diaphragm is connected to manifold pressure, it is the main concern for protecting you motor against overboosting right?

This way if something happens to the other line, you might loose boost control, but your wastegate will open up at whatever your wastegate spring is. There is no way to overboost.

I only brought it up because some of the boost controllers with dual solenoids have nipples coming off the controller box. Which would bring the wastegate line back to silicone with clams or zip ties at some point.

ErnieT 04-11-07 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by rotarypower101


VERY nicely laid out. Damn clean.

rotarypower101 10-06-07 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by ErnieT (Post 6826661)
VERY nicely laid out. Damn clean.


Originally Posted by signofinfinity (Post 6779065)
I like the boost solenoid instead of the EGR.... neat..... will set up mine there :) :icon_tup:

Any heat issues? :balls:


Sorry for hijacking this.... but its worth an ask ! :fart:

Thanks…very basic and functional was what I was going for; wish it was as pretty as Attila’s but que sera


No heat issues to date, removing and uncluttering the space between the engine and the UIM really helped with the heat in that area and with my temp gun I periodically check the area and no temperatures of concern are ever noticed.

KNONFS 03-26-08 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by atihun (Post 6704933)
Here's some pics using earls fittngs with ss braided lines. I also used a heat shield tubing as the lines a few inches from the exhaust manifold:

http://www.atihun.com/pictures/Rebuild/1-30-2006/65.jpg

http://www.atihun.com/pictures/Rebuild/1-30-2006/66.jpg

http://www.atihun.com/pictures/Rebuild/1-30-2006/67.jpg

http://www.atihun.com/pictures/Rebuild/1-30-2006/68.jpg

I think it's good insurance.


Originally Posted by rotarypower101 (Post 6705919)
Atihun, again nice job!

Here is mine…not the prettiest pic but….

https://njsr.org/pics/albums/userpic...0_(Medium).JPG


Originally Posted by BLUE TII (Post 6725586)
I used SS lines on my HKS GT 60mm wastegate. Make sure you use swivel fittings so the hose can rotate even when tightened or it can loosen up easily from the weight of the hose/vibration.

I later added a Hallman Pro manual boost controller and fit it up for -AN lines as well. That was a bit of a pain as the lower nipple is also the valve seat for the ball and the side nipple has the bleed hole.- worked out very well in the end.

https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...chmentid=69334


Originally Posted by 1Revvin7 (Post 6756294)
Kevlar braided hose, heat shielding and proper routing has always worked fine for me. Never had a failure.


Fellas, what fittings are you guys using on the turbo front cover? My turbo does not have a nipple\fitting on the front cover, so I'll have to drill and tap.

BLUE TII 03-26-08 05:09 PM

1/8" NPT pipe thread is the most common thread size to drill and tap for the WG nipple.

Then you just have to decide the -AN size hose you want to use.

KNONFS 03-26-08 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by BLUE TII (Post 8023088)
1/8" NPT pipe thread is the most common thread size to drill and tap for the WG nipple.

Then you just have to decide the -AN size hose you want to use.

Perfect, that's what I thought, from browsing the AN fittings section at summit racing. I will be going with 4AN, just because I have some left over fittings and hose.

Thanks! :icon_tup:

arghx 03-26-08 07:01 PM

if you are running an external wastegate with an EBC you should be getting the pressure source from right near the throttle plates (after the IC)

Aaron Cake 03-27-08 08:57 AM

http://www.aaroncake.net/misc/rebuil...0Wastegate.jpg

KNONFS 03-27-08 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by arghx (Post 8023508)
if you are running an external wastegate with an EBC you should be getting the pressure source from right near the throttle plates (after the IC)


Really?

KNONFS 03-27-08 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by Aaron Cake (Post 8025584)

Looks good!

4AN?

Aaron Cake 03-27-08 10:09 AM

Yep, -4.

philiptompkins 03-27-08 11:28 AM

why do you think its WG lines VS motor?
don't ya'll have some kind of overbost protection built into you map or somewhere else in you ecu?

cozmo kraemer 03-27-08 12:45 PM

Are the threads on the Tial WG 1/8NPT? So we would use a 1/8npt to -4 adapter, then -4 line?

arghx 03-27-08 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by KNONFS (Post 8025642)
Really?

It tends to spike less. I could be wrong, but I suspect it's because, after the pressure drop of the IC, you get less of a pressure signal to the top of the wastegate. Thus it's easier to tune the gain/duty cycle on the wastegate solenoid, which is hooked into the top port on a typical EBC setup. The more pressure the top of the wastegate receives, the more force is pushing down on it to keep it closed. It is the opposite on the lower port (it's like an internal WG) -- the more pressure it receives, the more it opens the wastegate to vent exhaust.

classicauto 03-27-08 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by cozmo kraemer (Post 8026356)
Are the threads on the Tial WG 1/8NPT? So we would use a 1/8npt to -4 adapter, then -4 line?

My Tial 44mm appears to have M10 x1.0 banjo bolts...

shawnk 03-27-08 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by tk5dan (Post 6725625)
it is a very good idea to do this for high boost applications. on my car awhile back i had regular rubber hose with a zip tie. one night on 100 octane i was really pushing the car hard (tuned for 27psi) and the line to the wastegate blew off. ended up at 38psi for a few seconds.

stainless lines w/ nice fittings ftw!

+1

I lost my first engine from wastegate hose failure. Mine is now threaded connectors on both sides and I am using a stainless hose, wrapped in insulation, and covered with a silicon/teflon type material (hose i found at a local race shop).

If you havent done this do it now.

KNONFS 03-27-08 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by cozmo kraemer (Post 8026356)
Are the threads on the Tial WG 1/8NPT? So we would use a 1/8npt to -4 adapter, then -4 line?

I haven't done it yet, but the info I got on the tial WG is:

10mm X 1.0

NinjaEdit: Classiauto beat me to it!

Originally Posted by classicauto (Post 8026430)
My Tial 44mm appears to have M10 x1.0 banjo bolts...


KNONFS 03-27-08 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by arghx (Post 8026388)
It tends to spike less. I could be wrong, but I suspect it's because, after the pressure drop of the IC, you get less of a pressure signal to the top of the wastegate. Thus it's easier to tune the gain/duty cycle on the wastegate solenoid, which is hooked into the top port on a typical EBC setup. The more pressure the top of the wastegate receives, the more force is pushing down on it to keep it closed. It is the opposite on the lower port (it's like an internal WG) -- the more pressure it receives, the more it opens the wastegate to vent exhaust.


Didn't know that, but I'm a rookie at this aftermarket turbo\wg stuff.

Not sure if it would matter on my case, but I don't plan on running an IC.

cozmo kraemer 03-29-08 01:48 PM

I am currently running my boost controller off of one of the nipples on the UIM. I know this probably isn't ideal but it was for convenience and initial setup of the EBC (to get a general idea). It seems to work ok, but I think the EBC functions better pulling pressure off of the compressor housing. Since there is almost 0 pressure drop in my intercoolerless setup...I am not sure that it matters a whole lot....

cozmo kraemer 03-29-08 07:31 PM

Anyone know off hand what the thread pitch is for the Greddy solenoid? Looks to be similar to 1/8th NPT ... could be m10 like the wastegate too. I'm not sure. It isn't listed in the manual.

13B-RX3 03-29-08 11:40 PM

I used hard lines and tube nuts. Much cheaper than SS and you don't have to insulate it. Where the lines connect to the solinoid i used short sections of rubber hose and AN fittings.

I was always told to get the boost signal (high boost setup) straight from the compressor housing because the signal is stronger. That way you have more pressure available to open the wastegate and hold it closed.

cozmo kraemer 03-31-08 01:18 AM

Funny it happened this way, but the vacuum line came off the wastegate on my way home from the parts store today... 2nd gear I was full throttle from 3000-6000 rpm, I was watching the AFR gauge (around 10:1) and I saw out of the corner of my eye, the boost gauge warning light come on...too late... Lost the engine.

Open my hood to find the wastegate line dangling... I had just ordered the majority of the fittings from Summit.

Now going LS2. My rotary related parts will be parted out.

KNONFS 03-31-08 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by cozmo kraemer (Post 8038173)
Funny it happened this way, but the vacuum line came off the wastegate on my way home from the parts store today... 2nd gear I was full throttle from 3000-6000 rpm, I was watching the AFR gauge (around 10:1) and I saw out of the corner of my eye, the boost gauge warning light come on...too late... Lost the engine.

Open my hood to find the wastegate line dangling... I had just ordered the majority of the fittings from Summit.

Now going LS2. My rotary related parts will be parted out.

WHAT?!?!?

You are joking, right? (please, let this be a joke :( )

Water\Meth injection didn't save ur engine? :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash:


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