Single Turbo RX-7's Questions about all aspects of single turbo setups.

OIL FILTER Thread

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 10, 2012 | 10:59 PM
  #1  
cewrx7r1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Eye In The Sky
Tenured Member: 25 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 7,941
Likes: 132
From: In A Disfunctional World
OIL FILTER Thread

I have read threads about oils but not filters.

Has there ever been a thread about oil filters that fit our stock pedestals, and which filters are better?

A few years ago the Purelator Pure 1 was rated very good.

Are there any racers out there that use the stock mount for their non remote fiters, and what are your prefered filters?
Reply
Old Jun 11, 2012 | 05:14 AM
  #2  
tuscanidream's Avatar
T2 Duo!
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,665
Likes: 3
From: RI/CT
I use oem filters for any vehicles of importance. They are not expensive.
Reply
Old Jun 11, 2012 | 08:31 AM
  #3  
Howard Coleman's Avatar
Racing Rotary Since 1983
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 6,279
Likes: 724
From: Florence, Alabama
it has been a while since oil filters have been scrutinized. the last thread lead me in the direction of the Purolator PL14610 which i have been using for a few years.

what's new in filters?

howard
Reply
Old Jun 11, 2012 | 08:32 AM
  #4  
evot23's Avatar
Classy
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (17)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 6,900
Likes: 2
From: Gainesville, FL
Originally Posted by howard coleman
what's new in filters?

howard
ditto...
Reply
Old Jun 11, 2012 | 08:56 AM
  #5  
Gringo Grande's Avatar
1.5 Goodfella's Tall
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (97)
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 4,216
Likes: 2
From: Tampa, FL
Man Chuck must be getting old. I remember back in the day if someone else asked this sort of question the response from Chuck would be, "You young people have it so easy...you just ask for the answer or Google it. In my time we had to make oil filters out sponges we dove for at the bottom of the Bay and inserted into metal receptacles that we hand hammered into shape with rocks."

Truly the end of an era.
Reply
Old Jun 11, 2012 | 11:08 AM
  #6  
j9fd3s's Avatar
Moderator
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 31,796
Likes: 3,210
From: https://www2.mazda.com/en/100th/
Originally Posted by howard coleman

what's new in filters?

howard
the old thing is that the OEM Japanese oil filters have more filter media packed into the can, its folded differently than every other filter. its also made properly, IE the threads are the right size and pitch, and there aren't any burs and shavings on them.

in short its just a high quality part. B6Y1-14-302A is the short Rx7 version, and JEYO-14-302 is the tall version.

the NEW news is that Mazda usa has switched to some US sourced POS, its easy to spot its WHITE. its construction is typical cheap stuff, there are shavings on the threads, etc.

part number is the same as the japan sourced part with a 9U or 9A or something on the end, box and filter is white

the 2009 Rx8 uses a different filter and it is still the OEM japanese one
Reply
Old Jun 11, 2012 | 11:38 AM
  #7  
mono4lamar's Avatar
In the burnout box...
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (32)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 4,453
Likes: 2
From: New York
Give me another two months and I'll change the oil filter issue for good. Just have to finish testing and make a couple atheistic revisions; new pedestal on the way...
Reply
Old Jun 11, 2012 | 11:47 AM
  #8  
Jeff20B's Avatar
Lapping = Fapping
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 15,725
Likes: 91
From: Near Seattle
I used to recommend Napa Gold filters when they were made by Wix. Now I don't know who makes them. Also all their books and computers recommend the little FD filter. You have to ask for the tall thick or short thick filter either by cross reference from a Fram number, or just tell them the number if you have it memorized, which I do. They are behind the counter.

Tall thick - 1347
short thick - 1334
Reply
Old Jun 11, 2012 | 12:54 PM
  #9  
tuscanidream's Avatar
T2 Duo!
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,665
Likes: 3
From: RI/CT
Originally Posted by j9fd3s
the old thing is that the OEM Japanese oil filters have more filter media packed into the can, its folded differently than every other filter. its also made properly, IE the threads are the right size and pitch, and there aren't any burs and shavings on them.

in short its just a high quality part. B6Y1-14-302A is the short Rx7 version, and JEYO-14-302 is the tall version.

the NEW news is that Mazda usa has switched to some US sourced POS, its easy to spot its WHITE. its construction is typical cheap stuff, there are shavings on the threads, etc.

part number is the same as the japan sourced part with a 9U or 9A or something on the end, box and filter is white

the 2009 Rx8 uses a different filter and it is still the OEM japanese one
Good to know. The ones my girlfriend buys are black. I think she gets them from rx7.com
Reply
Old Jun 11, 2012 | 01:40 PM
  #10  
cewrx7r1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Eye In The Sky
Tenured Member: 25 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 7,941
Likes: 132
From: In A Disfunctional World
I have read the internet reports on filters for years, but they are either old or do not test many filters.

I have been using Puralator Pure One PL14459: height = 2.95", width = 3.15".

Mazda over time reduced the filter size for the RX7 to the smaller ones used on other Mazdas. Not because they were better, but to reduce inventory.

That is why I went back to a bigger filter with more filter material.
Reply
Old Jun 11, 2012 | 02:23 PM
  #11  
j9fd3s's Avatar
Moderator
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 31,796
Likes: 3,210
From: https://www2.mazda.com/en/100th/
Originally Posted by tuscanidream
Good to know. The ones my girlfriend buys are black. I think she gets them from rx7.com
we used to get the Japanese filters from a grey market importer, but the economy hit him hard..
Reply
Old Jun 11, 2012 | 02:30 PM
  #12  
j9fd3s's Avatar
Moderator
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 31,796
Likes: 3,210
From: https://www2.mazda.com/en/100th/
Originally Posted by cewrx7r1
Not because they were better, but to reduce inventory.
since mazda probably has 10-12 different oil filter part numbers for all the different cars, i would say that inventory reduction is highly unlikely.

i should dig out the bulletin on the "new" smaller filter. the way they fold the filter paper lets them cram MORE filter media into a smaller can than the previous big filters.

although i do also run the taller filter when i can get them.
Reply
Old Jun 11, 2012 | 04:43 PM
  #13  
cewrx7r1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Eye In The Sky
Tenured Member: 25 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 7,941
Likes: 132
From: In A Disfunctional World
I say that because the last two iterations of the RX7 filter also fit the MX3 V6 engine, and the Protégé 4 cylinder engine.

Originally Posted by j9fd3s
since Mazda probably has 10-12 different oil filter part numbers for all the different cars, i would say that inventory reduction is highly unlikely.

i should dig out the bulletin on the "new" smaller filter. the way they fold the filter paper lets them cram MORE filter media into a smaller can than the previous big filters.

although i do also run the taller filter when i can get them.
Reply
Old Jun 11, 2012 | 04:57 PM
  #14  
cewrx7r1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Eye In The Sky
Tenured Member: 25 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 7,941
Likes: 132
From: In A Disfunctional World
Here are the specs for Howards and my Puralator Pure 1 Filters.

PL14459 OD 3.15", Ht 2.95", relief pressure 12-15 psi.

PL14610 OD 2.69", Ht 3.52", relief pressure 14-18 psi.
Reply
Old Jun 11, 2012 | 05:10 PM
  #15  
Rotor Nut.
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (34)
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,163
Likes: 2
From: RI
puralator pure one here also. been running it for years. only issue i have seen is the fram units with the cardboard ends that fold up under high pressure. have seen one first hand, looked like it imploded on itself. took out a bottom end on a 240sx.
Reply
Old Jun 11, 2012 | 05:45 PM
  #16  
j9fd3s's Avatar
Moderator
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 31,796
Likes: 3,210
From: https://www2.mazda.com/en/100th/
Originally Posted by cewrx7r1
I say that because the last two iterations of the RX7 filter also fit the MX3 V6 engine, and the Protégé 4 cylinder engine.
that's pretty normal, the same filter also fits every honda, most mitsubishis, and some fords too.

its a good thing!

if i run across the oil filter bulletins i'll scan and post em up.
Reply
Old Jun 12, 2012 | 01:09 PM
  #17  
ZE Power MX6's Avatar
Boilermakers!
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (169)
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 3,767
Likes: 375
From: Chicago, IL
Who carry Purolator? I used to live close to a Pepboys and they carry them, but now the closest Pepboys is like 25mins away. Because of that I switched to Bosch since Autozone carry them.
Reply
Old Jun 12, 2012 | 11:06 PM
  #18  
cewrx7r1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Eye In The Sky
Tenured Member: 25 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 7,941
Likes: 132
From: In A Disfunctional World
http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/...hereToBuy.aspx


Originally Posted by ZE Power MX6
Who carry Purolator? I used to live close to a Pepboys and they carry them, but now the closest Pepboys is like 25mins away. Because of that I switched to Bosch since Autozone carry them.
Reply
Old Aug 6, 2012 | 01:02 PM
  #19  
Wolf_'s Avatar
Full Member
 
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 94
Likes: 0
From: Sweden
Gonna give it a try with the honda s2000 oem filter, big but it fits great and my hondabuddy has used it on every turbohonda he has built... Last time it was a 500whp integra, and since hondas v-tech use high oilpressure I figure that it would be fine on a singel fd as well :-)

Costs about $1,5 more then the mazda oem filter here in sweden
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2024 | 05:30 PM
  #20  
Holdfast's Avatar
OG Member
Tenured Member: 5 Years
Liked
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 469
Likes: 45
From: Bay area California
Mann+ Hamel has bought out wix and Purolator filters. So everything is the same crap.
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2024 | 07:15 PM
  #21  
neit_jnf's Avatar
Eats, Sleeps, Dreams Rotary
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (17)
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 4,056
Likes: 261
From: Around
Go with RX-8 Series 2 (2009+) OEM Oil Filter. It has a higher pressure bypass setting.

S2 Oil Filter By Pass rating is 20.3—26.1 PSI
Mazda GENUINE Oil Filter is Part Number N3R1-14-302

Reply
Old Jan 6, 2024 | 08:07 PM
  #22  
TeamRX8's Avatar
10000 RPM Lane
Tenured Member: 15 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,740
Likes: 924
From: on the rev limiter
Originally Posted by mono4lamar from 2012
Give me another two months and I'll change the oil filter issue for good. Just have to finish testing and make a couple atheistic revisions; new pedestal on the way...


.
Reply
Old Jan 15, 2024 | 12:18 PM
  #23  
iceman4357's Avatar
Rotary Freak
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 2,023
Likes: 181
From: St.Louis
So I did some of my own research on youtube and landed on the Wix XP set of filters for the last few years.

I also just found a more recent study on Youtube that i think is very interesting and also compares Purolator to other top brands.


They perform some very nice testing against each of these, 3rd party unbiased. I was unaware of the Purolator Boss until this thread/youtube video. I do not know how the Boss version is different than the ONE that a few members are using. Will have to dig in.


Amazon has the Boss version on sale with a $2 coupon, making it the same price as the ONE.
Amazon Amazon

Last edited by iceman4357; Jan 15, 2024 at 01:39 PM.
Reply
Old Jan 15, 2024 | 02:12 PM
  #24  
neit_jnf's Avatar
Eats, Sleeps, Dreams Rotary
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (17)
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 4,056
Likes: 261
From: Around
Interesting! I watched their 3 oil filter test videos and looks like Purolator Boss is one of the top performers.
Looking more into it I'd still choose the 2009-2011 S2 RX-8 version because of the higher bypass pressure (BVPS)

They don't go into detail about bypass pressure settings but my understanding is that a higher bypass pressure provides better cold filtering (less cold bypass) and higher dirt capacity before the media gets saturated enough to reach bypass pressure. So basically better filtering overall and more so if changed with enough frequency to never reach full dirt capacity.

FD bypass: 14-18 psi



S2 RX-8 bypass: 20-30 psi


Last edited by neit_jnf; Jan 15, 2024 at 02:16 PM.
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2024 | 01:40 AM
  #25  
Holdfast's Avatar
OG Member
Tenured Member: 5 Years
Liked
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 469
Likes: 45
From: Bay area California
U can tell all but the Royal purple are made by the same company when they cut them open. I think the difference in results between the wix purlator and napa filters are miniscule. U could probably test 3 of the same brand and get the same variation in results. The product of mass production. As mentioned before the bypass pressure is more important for a rotary. Something no one test for on any YouTube video.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:36 PM.