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thewird 11-03-10 08:41 PM

GTX3582R Out End of the Year
 
Looks like Garrett finally announced the GTX3582R at SEMA this year and they will be available for purchase by the end of the year. No compressor maps yet though. (at least I haven't found any yet). Will update when I they do or if anyone finds one, post it up.

In This Issue
Garrett GTX-R Midframe Turbos
Garrett Turbo Selection Tool App


Dear Christopher,

It is the first week of November, and that can only mean one thing in the Automotive Performance Aftermarket: the SEMA Show. Over a million square feet of the Las Vegas Convention Center will be occupied by the world's largest car show while vendors from around the world will converge to showcase everything for these vehicles from fabrication equipment and crate engines to lightweight wheels and safety harnesses down to seat covers and air fresheners.

Hundreds of thousands of people will fill the halls, check out the wares and destroy the soles of their shoes.

Garrett by Honeywell is very excited about the 2010 SEMA Show! We have the all new GTX3071R and GTX3582R turbochargers to display for those seeking an increase in power but not an increase in packaging size. We will also be demonstrating our prototype Turbo Selection Tool for the iPhone, iPad and iPod.

And we will be showcasing a pair of cars this year which showcase the very different ways in which our turbochargers are used. The Apollo Performance Time Attack Subaru WRX STI makes no compromises in performance with a whopping GT4088R feeding its fully-built engine when it takes to the track. The Jasper Motorwerks Volkswagen GTI will display the more livable side of performance with a GT2871R and a full interior and all the luxuries of a daily driven street demon.

We would love to have the opportunity to meet you and talk about what Garrett Turbos can do for you. Please stop by our booth in the central Racing and Performance Hall; Booth #24713.

If you can't make it to the show, but have some feedback, we'd love to hear it at garrett.gearhead@honeywell.com.

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Garrett GTX-R Midframe Turbos Debuting

Following the success of the GTX42R and GTX45R, Garrett by Honeywell is proud to show, for the first time, the newest additions to the Garrett GTX family: The GTX3071R, GTX3076R and GTX3582R!

These new turbos are more than just another billet wheel. These are direct upgrades for the immensely popular GT series turbos of the same names, but with 10-20% more flow and more pressure ratio for more power than ever before. With the unique 11-full-blade compressor wheel is fully machined from forged aluminum alloy and uses next-generation aerodynamics to deliver unrivaled power while still being the dependable, quality product that you expect from Garrett.

These turbos are finishing the battery of Garrett Turbocharger tests and will be available by the end of the year through our Garrett Performance Distributors, Garrett Master Distributors and Garrett Performance Houses.

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Garrett by Honeywell Turbo Selection Tool App

Garrett by Honeywell is making the search for your next turbo even easier. While we have worked hard to provide a comprehensive matching tutorial with our Turbo Tech 103, we have also been working on making it simpler. At the 2010 SEMA Show, we will be showcasing our prototype iPhone, iPod and iPad Turbo Selection Tool to show goers.

This exciting tool allows for you to enter in the specifics of your engine, atmosphere, fuel type and more to zero in on the correct turbo for your application. The Turbo Selection Tool will narrow down your best choices for Garrett Turbochargers based on your goals and your parameters and plot engine RPM points on our compressor maps so you know where you will be operating.

Though just a prototype now, we will be soliciting feedback from SEMA Show attendees (Booth #24713) on any improvements we can make before we release it. We would love to hear your feedback and can go through a turbo match with you. Please stop by our booth for more information!
thewird

Brekyrself 11-03-10 09:59 PM

Looks like were going to have plenty of options for next season.

BW also made an announcement.

http://www.turbodriven.com/files/pdf...alog_SMALL.pdf

Boxer2rotary 11-03-10 10:12 PM

I wonder if these will be similar to the Forced performance HTA turbos since FP gets their billet wheels from Garrett.

arghx 11-04-10 01:37 AM

I can't wait to see the compressor map. I'd love to see how this compares to the older GT35 and the T04R/T04Z

thewird 11-04-10 03:57 AM


Originally Posted by arghx (Post 10302658)
I can't wait to see the compressor map. I'd love to see how this compares to the older GT35 and the T04R/T04Z

Me too, I'm really interested. I like how they claim 10-20% more flow as opposed to 10% more flow from the bigger turbo's. I always had a theory that the smaller turbo's would have a bigger benefit to the billet since the % increase due to the main shaft shrinking is larger on a smaller turbo (at lower PR's anyway)

What I'd really like to see is a GTX-T04Z and then all will be well with the world :D. Then again, in a perfect world we'd have variable geometry turbo's that could withstand sustained rotary heat under track conditions.

thewird

Zero R 11-04-10 11:31 AM

It'll be interesting to see how the smaller ones perform. Most benefits from the new aero are higher P/r's something most rotary guys don't want to run on street or the track. If it holds true then the benefit I see is having a responsive street/circuit car that you can also turn the boost up at the strip.
Hopefully though it's just better efficiency all around.

~S~

Copeland 11-04-10 06:37 PM

They look sweet...
I hate to see the price tag...any idea what they will run? I'm guessing around 2k.

ALPSTA 11-05-10 05:22 PM

Sounds very promising. Should we expect less lag/better response then the current GT35R turbochargers?

silverTRD 11-05-10 06:28 PM

how does this compare to a prescision 6265 with the billet wheel and such? how would it be on stock ports?

ALPSTA 11-06-10 08:16 AM

Any idea about the price of this turbo? I think I'll wait for this turbo since end of the year is not too far.

IAN 11-06-10 01:34 PM

Nice. Subscribed. Now to get an aspec turbo kit fab'd with it.... Time to move from my HKS log/To4B 60-1.

arghx 11-06-10 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by silverTRD (Post 10305896)
how does this compare to a prescision 6265 with the billet wheel and such? how would it be on stock ports?

don't expect any more than anecdotal answers to this question unless Precision releases compressor maps.

ALPSTA 11-06-10 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by arghx (Post 10306943)
don't expect any more than anecdotal answers to this question unless Precision releases compressor maps.

I don't know which companies the author is talking about but I read the following in http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_artic...ature-set.aspx

"BW isn't a 5 person shop that copies a Garrett compressor wheel, rescales it in CAM software so there's an infinite amount of trims available, hogs one out of aluminum bar stock on a CNC machine and then proceeds to stuff it into virtually any compressor housing without compressor or turbine mapping (let's not forget about giving these hogged out turbos nonsensical names while they were at it)."

arghx 11-07-10 09:32 AM

^ Of course Precision did that. And BW scaled up designs from their OEM turbos for VW/Audi in order to come up with this EFR product. I doubt there are many professional engineers on this forum, but you have to realize that engineers rarely "invent" things. They copy and paste existing designs on top of each other, make a few tweaks, and sell/market it. That's how it's always worked. It's no different than when the Wright brothers modifed other people's designs to achieve powered flight.

What irritates me about Precision is that either they are too cheap to spend the money on compressor mapping OR ignorance is bliss to them, and they'd rather sell the proverbial 'sizzle' of the product and then let people's imagination determine what the 'steak' is.

Zero R 11-07-10 01:22 PM

The only problem with that article is Eric will be a bit biased as he is in bed with BW, not saying he is wrong or saying he is being misleading in anyway. But it is good he pointed out that they wont be cheap and there will be fitment issues.

~S~

Jobro 11-09-10 01:00 AM


Originally Posted by arghx (Post 10307706)
^ Of course Precision did that. And BW scaled up designs from their OEM turbos for VW/Audi in order to come up with this EFR product. I doubt there are many professional engineers on this forum, but you have to realize that engineers rarely "invent" things

Maybe in China and India. I take great offence to what you wrote. I graduated with honours.

At the very least a good engineer is an excellent project manager (in some countries as much as farking president, instead of a stupid puppet) or a data interpreter. Myself I have less people skills and am much more switched on in interpreting and assessing the credibility of others tests, before I start my own designs.

arghx 11-09-10 07:06 PM

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compressor maps now available: http://www.realstreetperformance.com...g2_itemId=1634

GTX3582R
https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1289351039

older GT3582R:
https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1289351039

overlap of the two:
https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1289351039

T04Z map for comparison's sake:
https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1289351039

the T04Z, being a 63 trim wheel, has a flatter efficiency range. It doesn't drop off so steeply compared to the GTX35, but it's also a bigger wheel in terms of nominal dimensions.

arghx 11-09-10 07:17 PM

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RealStreet on the NASIOC Subaru forums are listing these prices:

GTX3071R will be $1779
GTX3076R will be $1779
GTX3582R will be $2179

Supposedly if you have the older equivalent turbo (gt, not gtx) you will be able to keep the housings and just swap the cartridge to save money. It lists T3 turbine housing options, but turbine housing options may end up being the same between the older GT35 and the newer GTX product.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2084967

One thing to think about is that even if the newer compressors flow more, there could still be restrictions on the turbine side holding it back.

So here's another topic: could the new GTX3076 be a viable alternative to BNR twins or some other small single setup for 350ish highly responsive hp?

https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1289351782

You'd think the spool would be nasty on this thing, for a single turbo conversion at least. It won't be good for those wanting highways monsters but it could be a great turbo for stock ports and road racing/autorcross applications. If you had a knock suppressant you could wind it to 20+ psi and have good low and mid range torque.

MOBEONER 11-09-10 08:35 PM

GTX3582R will be $2179 ??????????? I can deal with out the X thank you.

arghx 11-09-10 08:45 PM

^ I'm not sure if that's MSRP or what. I can't see people paying more than $100-$200 more than a regular GT series turbo. And Garrett won't offer journal bearing for the more cost-conscious like Precision does.

Jobro 11-10-10 03:24 AM


Originally Posted by arghx (Post 10312014)
One thing to think about is that even if the newer compressors flow more, there could still be restrictions on the turbine side holding it back.

+1! Spot on.

Gonna get laughed at now, but a T4 split pulse 1.06 w/ 3" v-band GTX-3571R would make a lot of sense to me

25lb/min @ 1.5 turbine PR, 20lb/min @ 1.25 turbine PR, and a baby 70/71mm compressor wheel with a 60 trim ratio that flows near on 60 lb/min would be goddamn responsive.

Zero R 11-10-10 09:35 AM

It looks like the 3076 benefits the most on a initial glance. I wouldn't run more than 20psi on it though. though. The 35R only shows about a 2% improvement on efficiency at around 18psi however when you jump up to 22psi it shows a gain of 4% and about 5-6% more efficient at 25psi. It would seem you could run this turbo at 25psi without about the same efficiency as the old one at 18psi. Also you could effectively run 30psi and still be approximately 70% efficient so not too bad. It does show though that the improvements are as I have stated higher boost is where you will see the difference. Since most street and track FD's run 20psi or less you wont see much is my guess, unless you want to really wind it up.

~S~

blmcquig 11-10-10 12:08 PM

this might be a stupid question....
the only difference between the GT35R and GTX35R is the compressor wheel, correct? so the compressor cover, back plate, chra, turbine, turbine housing is all the same?
so, effectively, i could just get a 35R, and at a later point if i decided, a gtx wheel could simply be put in, and i would have a gtx35r?

Zero R 11-10-10 01:27 PM

Garrett wont sell just the wheel. I did get pricing on these as of yesterday when it was finalized. I won't post any pricing up but if interested PM me and I will get you a price.

~S~

Turblown 11-10-10 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by blmcquig (Post 10312956)
this might be a stupid question....
the only difference between the GT35R and GTX35R is the compressor wheel, correct? so the compressor cover, back plate, chra, turbine, turbine housing is all the same?
so, effectively, i could just get a 35R, and at a later point if i decided, a gtx wheel could simply be put in, and i would have a gtx35r?

I know the machining on the compressor housings are different, and I believe the back plates are too. However as said you cannot buy GTX parts by themselves...


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