600+ rwhp
 

Hey everyone, i have been doing some research, and i was hoping some of the pros could take a look and tell me if im on the right track with this list of mods...My goal is to do a Single Turbo conversion!
Will this get in the 600hp range, im sure i will have to run race gas........Thanks

Large Street Port w/3mm apex seals (dowelpinned)
GT 35/40 Single Turbo Kit
Greddy 3 Row FMIC
Apexi PFC w/commander
850 primaries
1600 secondaries
500+ Fuel Secondary Fuel Rail
Fuel Pressure Regulator
ACT 6 puck clutch
Aluminum Flywheel
Koyo Radiator
Greddy Pully Kit
Unorthodox Main Drive Pully
AST

Plus...
Toe Links
Trailing Arms
and that I think is pretty much it!!!!

If you can, PLEASE tell me if im missing anything importent. I would appreciate it very much. Happy Rotoring!!!! Thanks a bunch!!!

That turbo is not even close. A T51, a GT42, maybe a PT67H. I do not believe anyone has posted an SAE dyno over 440 on a 3540 (nocab show us your stuff...). Also you need an ignition. To make the power you are talking about you will need more than money, you need a tuner that knows his shit, and is willing to spend the time to do this. Good luck, Carl Byck

600 rwhp wont happen.. thats a huge task..definately not easy, especially with no nitrous also... set your goals more reasonable...shoot for 400 rwhp first with that set-up... for sure a bigger turbo and alot of tuning will be needed for 600 rwhp..and the cost of blowing a couple of motors ;)

good luck

Re: 600+ rwhp
 

Disclaimer: I don't know very much and there are much more knowledgable people than me that are on this boards.

Don't listen to the player haters. I have seen and tuned the big dogs and they are real.

I think the upgraded T-78 spools about as fast as the GT-35/40, with more CFM up top and high. Without the upgraded compressor wheel it's a little high-rpm strung for me.

1) Make that engine a PineApple. Ask for the Nocab port and tell Rob you want it to idle like Jason's car, with the same vacuum improvements. I don't think you need 3mm unless you're going to let KDR tune the car. Break the engine in like Rob says. Remember, you could use someone elses engine, but your results could vary. Talk to Jason and he'll order you one up to the same specs.
2) More ignition, run 9's all the way around. Might even need 10's. You'll need an ignition amp. HKS TwinPower or MSDs.
3) Fuel. Aspec's setup is good, with the surge tank. If base pressure is 40psi, you'll need a pump setup that will give you 60psi at 20psi boost, at the rails. Bosch flows to 79psi. Lookie at www.maxcooper.com and check out the fuel calculator. Roll your own fuel setup. Send me a pm and I'll tell you my setup. Talk to Shawn or Steve at Aspec, too.
4) Tuning. You have a great foundation in the PineApple block. You have the fuel and spark along with the cool air. If you can't bring all that to the right place at the right time you're going to be h8ing like Carl and Steve (no disrespect intended...never met Carl, his tone is kinda w3rd, but Steve is cool and has a SWEET ride! Dittos on Shawn with that orange beast!) Get a good base tune and learn how to monitor and tweak from the tuner. Ask for a ride in a car he has tuned. Before and after maps makes for 2 fun rides. You're going to spend some cash tuning the car. Might as well learn as you go and get the Datalogit and TE WB O2. If you make it that much easier for the tuner, they will probably give you better support after the tuning session (read: you send them updated logs and they continue to tweak your maps and send them via email).

With the right foundation (read: engine) and tuning you can make the turbo sing. Without the right foundation and tuning, your kick-arse turbo is going to be a door stop.

Good luck!

Edit: Upgrade your engine mounts, add more ground straps, think about upgraded diff and half-shafts, the sprung 6-puck is really not that bad at all, get more braking power, get a coil-over suspension, and keep the exterior stock-looking for that WTF Sleeper look! :D

Alcohol injection is a great way to get there.

3 rotor ? lol....

ya that gt35/40 isnt near big enuf... if cost is a factor... get the t88?? is that big enuf... its not that expensive... umm

water/meth injection good stuff

ceramic coat all ur pipes... every last bit counts..... hmm..

bridgeport baby... fuck it peripheral port... its streetable.. :D im thinkin bout doin it wit my new motor :)

lots if fucking boost!!!

That turbo won't make the power. It will make over 500rwhp, but won't go to 600

And I would get a Haltech before the Apexi :D

Get the ECU that has the best user-base/tuner NEAR you. Your ECU is as good as the tune on it.

I was wondering, do i really have to have a coilover suspension, i mean, my car is dropped with tein springs and i got potenza dampers, but thats bout it, Thanks alot fellas, anyone have anymore suggestions or advice on helping reach my goal. ahhaha thanks again

Not esstential, but it's nice to adjust ride height! Also, when you start putting down that big power, it's nice having some beef back there.

Oh! Get a Racelogic traction control, too!

couldn't i get some koni adjustable struts or some shit like that???????

i forgot to also add fuel pump in the beginning, i started out with 500+ and then lost it, LOL ahah, but anyways, ummm yea, basically i want the car to haul some major asss, as for the tuning im having Cam do it for me, i know hes kick ass at that sorta shit, one more thing, is there really a need to go with 3mm seals and have the block dowelpinned, i was just wondering!!!! Thanks

Also i have the Accel racing ignition, multi strike, or sumthing or other!!!! Feed me all the ifo you got, LOL Thanks!!

How old are you and if you are anything around what I believe....how are you paying for all of this???

If you have the golden wallet just put a 3 rotor in there and find a turbo big enough to push mid to high 20psi numbers and you should be there.

I personally have seen too may broken Pettit motors to trust one. I've split one open after it cracked an apex seal & didn't like what I saw on the inside. It looked basically like a stock build with 3mm seals. EVERYBODY else who builds motor will at the very least replace the thermopellet with a plug! The front rotor chipped an apex seal, but the rear housing was used & had a HUGE gouge running accross the top of the housing & into the compression zone!

Go with the Pinnapple motor. He doesn't re-use housings, & he does oil modifications to reduce the oil temp. The result is fewer hotspots on the rotor face & less of a chance of detonation.

I don't like 3mm apex seals. I've seen 3 blown motors with 3mm seals so I personally don't think they're worth fuking up the rotors for! 3mm Ceramics could be fine, but I have no experience with them.

Race clearance the rotors!

You might want to consider ceramic apex seals.

Es said it all. Get the Pineapple. I'm ordering mine this week. Along with a GT 35/40. If the vendors would play nicer in taking my money.

ttpowerd, im not exactly sure what you mean, but anyway, thanks to you and the rest of the crew for the advice!!!!

he's saying, dont buy one of cams engines, they suck!!!
I dont know much about pettit

93redFD, try reading the post over again, i was refering to " How old are you and if you are anything around what I believe....how are you paying for all of this???" quote by TTpowered!!!! Yes im a young cat, but who really cares, age is only a number, LOL

o yea, i was wondering if couldn i get some tokiko adjustable struts, instead of the coilovers, like i posted earlier, i have tein springs with potenza dampers. I was thinking the adjustable struts would help me raise and lower the car with the tein springs. Holla Back!! Thanks

I was just curious how old you were and wondered how you were paying for it all. Must have a great job! Not hating by any means :p:

Coilovers will give you more room for bigger tires which you will need if you are pushing 600 hp to the wheels.

Koni adjustables are stiffness adjustable, not height adjustable. You need coilovers for height adjustment, or those crappy GC coilover sleeves.

I'm willing to bet that this "said car" never reaches 300whp :rolleyes:

:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: :bsflag:
I had to do it Mark lol

wonder if i can still get rid of the thermopellet even after rebuliding my engine 7,000miles ago.. lol:D

You run the risk of dropping the front thrust bearing, but it can be done.

Go anywhere besides Pettit to get your engine built, when i bought my car i knew alittle about imports but nothing about rotaries, i gave it to Pettit to put in one of their unlimited ecu's and "tune" it , mind you that i was stock exept for Dp, Cb,intake and pullies. Cam set me up at 14.75psi to run all day everyday and told me I WOULD BE FINE!!! Didnt tell me i needed race fuel or anything, He knows what he was doing and i blew my engine in a month. I would recommend Chad from ASIRACING.com, builds a great engine,friendly, and will go out of his way to make you happy he is in S.Florida and has built a number of 3 rotors, drag cars, and ultra fast street machines. Go anywhere but Pettit!!!

Personally if I were in Sounth Fl, I'd look up Chris Anderson.

And just to give you an idea, there are only a handfull of people in the US making 600rwhp with a turbo 13B in a street car......a very small handfull at that. Also, they are the kind of people that build thier own motors....they need to be cause your going to be replacing it every other year at least if you drive it hard a lot.

Do you have any idea how fast the car would be with 600rwhp???
STEPHEN

600hp in a 2700lb car = HOLY SHIT HOLD ON!!!!

9s??? faster maybe... SR runs8.2 and i think they have umm 850 some odd hp.... ill do a few calcs and get back to u :_)

9.73418 is what 600 wheel hp can get u to run... assuming u do a near perfect run....

http://www.iroc-z.com/flashlight/how...alc/hpcalc.htm :D

Decay, over here, peeps like yourself are called "WANKSTA'S" and also haters, so mind yur own and.... POOOFFF!!! Be GONE!!!

Whatever buddy. Good luck reaching 600 at the wheels, I hope you acheive it, honestly. But as others have pointed out as well, 600whp in one of these cars is plain rediculous/almost unnecessary. Based on some of your posts, it sounds as if you are attempting to take your mostly stock FD and jumping to 600whp...which just doesn't make any sense to me. It takes lots of time, LOTS of money, and a very knowledgeable owner/tuner...guys who have the ability to make 600whp usually don't post on a forum and ask others how to reach it, they just do it. They know what port job it will take, what engine management, which turbo, etc. etc. etc.

Anyway, good luck, and thanks for the PM. :peace:

Re: Re: 600+ rwhp
 

1) Edits: Call Rob direct and tell 'em Tony "da pineapple tuner" sent you.
2) Edits: Run 10's, and for the bigger power go with MSDs.

just put a t76 or bigger( all the other stuff that people have mentioned), a good tuner(one you can trust), rent a dyno, and run about 25 psi . And Thats all I got say about that:). It will get you 600 rwhp, but will your engine make it back home,?, lets cross our fingers:D

oooh here is an idea.... 14000 bucks from sr gets u all the stuff they use in their drag car... minus the intercooler i think... its a fuly built engine and their stage 6 turbo kit.... thatll do it...

600 rwhp...

It's been done!!!
All you need is an open exhaust, intake, LARGE Intercooler, AEM EMS, T-66 Q-trim w/ 1.15 a/r, 1000 cc x 4 injectors, street port, stock apex seals, aeromotive pump or SX pump, NTK UEGO O2 sensor, etc.

28 psi, C16, 70 shot = 680 rwhp
15 psi, 91 octane = 438 rwhp

Tuning is the key!

This can't be Jason's car your referring to is it??? Sounds very very familiar indeed;) Actually, i know it is...but who's this?

wow, everyone you have been a great help!!!! i really do appreciate it soooo much, if u have more suggestions, feel free to post!!! THANKS AGAIN!!!

a few of you recommend the haltech over the power FC, explain why!!!! thanx

Re: Re: Re: 600+ rwhp
 

Thadda boy :D

Got with what you get tuned and supported in your immediate area. I run the PFC, not going to turn this into a bast-fest of 8-bit versus 16-bit. Just pick one. Your choice will have subtle impacts on the tuner and what they can do. So pick your tuner first?

damn, elliot comes out of the woodworks... :D whats up pal! i will email you privatly now... :o:

oh and what tony said is a very good point. pick your tuner first before settling on an EMS. see what they are more *comfortable* with tuning. :)

single large turbo, big injectors/fuel pump/lines, nice big port, lots of boost and the most important part ....a good tuner!!!

If it were me I would go with Hass Dandachli set up at Protech Auto in Texas. It goes like this, Streetport, T-78, E6k, made 490rwhp at 17psi and 628rwhp on a 75 shot,
tuned by Fernando at Protech and the set up looks sweet. If your going from stock motor to 490rwhp then that will seem like 600rwhp and if you need more just push a button. There are people that will tell you NOS is for losers but with a turbo I think its just a good combo and it cant be worse than running 25 or 30psi on a engine. Fernando seems to think it is a good idea and it works for him so I going to give it a shot as well. All my info come from Februarys isue of Super Street and talking to Fernando at Protech. Hope this helps

600+rwhp... hmmm.... get a Supra :p:

I ll take a 600rwhp rotary over a 600rwhp supra anyday and wax his ass!!!

Yep i'm back:D You should see your fuel rails.....very nice i must say;)

Very good point also on picking the tuner before the EMS. It'll make life a whole lot easier and enjoyable.