Official Android Rtek Thread
 

DTI has committed to porting the PocketLOGGER RX7 software that currently runs on the PalmOS platform to Android.

This post will be updated with the latest information. You can consider this information the latest information available so don't ask something that's answered here and expect a different answer. It is also preliminary and subject to change at any time.


Details
Use of the Android platform will not require any ECU modifications. It will consist of an Android app and a Bluetooth dongle will connect to the existing DB9 connector on the stage 2 ECUs. The dongle will also need to be wired to 12V ignition-switched power.

System Requirements
A phone or tablet running Android 2.2 (possibly 2.1) with a bluetooth radio that supports SPP.

Confirmed device list
More will be added as they are tested.

• Motorola Admiral (2.3.5)
• Vizio VTAB1008 (2.3.2)

Features
The Android port will consist of all the features of the Palm OS version. In addition, these features will be added (subject to change):

• offline map editing
• multiple cell editing, smoothing/fill, interpolation
• export logs and maps to SD card
• smoothing function for the datalogs.
• bug fixes from the PalmOS version (AFM Temp, Parameter limit)

Feature Requests
These features are being considered but may not be included in the first release.

• HP/TQ estimator

Costs
Details are sparse at this point. We are shooting for under $50 for the dongle and app but this is subject to change.


Beta Testing
We are collecting information on people that wish to beta test.

• The form is at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...cy1aM0Ixb2c6MQ
• We are only collecting info at this time
• Don't call us, we'll call you.
• There will be a cost involved *
• You must completely fill out all the required fields to be considered

* In the past, our beta programs have been a complete disaster. On multiple occasions, I've sent pre-production hardware to a well vetted tester only to never to hear from them again. Well no more, I'm sorry to say. We can't afford to lose that kind of money. While we don't know the exact cost (or even a guess) at this time, there will be no freebies anymore. So please only fill out the form if you are OK with paying to test.


Current State of Development
Currently we are starting with the N332 ECU. The rest of the ECUs will be added later (but before the first release)

DONE:

• Basic BT communication subsystems
• Java class for N332
• ECU Setup screens (Injector selection, Staging RPM, Var Res, EGR, ATP,Reset, BBT)
• Dongle schematic
• Dongle initial board layout
• Prototype BT dongle assembled and working
• Displaying realtime data
• Selecting parameters to log

WORKING ON:

• Logging realtime data

TODO:

• Application Preference system
• Displaying maps
• Changing maps
• Loading and saving maps
• Displaying saved logs
• Diagnostics (Errors, Inputs, Outputs)
• Create java classes for other three ECUs
• Ecu setup screens for options not in the N332
• BT Dongle design finalized and approved for RTM
• BT Dongle first batch boards made and parts ordered

Changelog:
10/22/2012: Updated todo/working on
9/18/2012: Added beta testing info
4/24/2012: Updated todo/working on, added screenshots, Updated logging speed FAQ
4/13/2012: Inital post

FAQ

How do I know if my device supports SPP. And what is SPP?
SPP is short for Serial Port Profile. It's a protocol within the Bluetooth standard for using bluetooth for a serial connection.

At this time, we don't know of a definitive way of knowing whether a particular device supports SPP other than checking with the manufacturer. We will update this in the future when more is known.

Will logging be as fast as before?
We have done some testing and we have several options, with each option having it's own advantages and issues. Our current setup we are only slightly slower than the Palm. But there is a very slight recurring pause in the data stream that may or may not be noticeable. Other options get rid of the pause and will probably increase sample rate, but require either an Rtek chip swap, or additional hardware in the BT Dongle.


Last Update 4/24/2012

Screenshots

4/24/2012: (Vizio Tablet)
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-1...-24-082200.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Q...-24-082548.jpg

4/11/2012: (Motorola Admiral)
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-S...0409085843.jpg https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-3...0409085906.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--...0409085924.jpg https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-b...0409092807.jpg

10/3/2012: (Motorola Admiral)
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-H...-03-155208.jpg

Dongle Mockup
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-P...-54-10_873.jpg

Dongle Complete and working
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-z...-49-04_711.jpg

omg yesssss thank you for trying to make this awesome idea!!!!

looked it up and im on the htc evo 4g and we do support spp and im on 2.3.5

This is fantastic! I was ready to sell my rtek and go to something else because of the outdated palm technology. Guess I'll keep it now!

thank you thank you thank you. right now im trying my hardest to get my old palm m100 to work with my new windows 7 pc with a serial port adapter to usb. its a headache getting it to retrofit to the old palm...

thanks! i'd pay 50$ for this !

This will surely make my decision between RTEK and MS.

Thanks.

ms sucks compared to rtek.... ms is a headache. rtek is plug and play....

This is awesome!

My new engine is high compression (9.4), so I have to stay under 15 psi anyway, and now with android on the horizon I don't see any reason to abandon the rtek like I feared I might have to.

As soon as that afm bites the dust this will be the best ecu for the 13bt ;). Seriously , thank you for responding to your customers, I will certainly pay for this upgrade when it becomes available.

Updated screenshots, todos, faq

I have been witness to a lot of MS headaches, but the work is getting easier with each version (and DIY-PNP kits) and the feature set is much larger.

I will not argue how foolproof RTEK is. I did not want to bumble through an outdated interface, however.

+1
The MS has more features but boy is it a pain in the ass! From building it to tuning it, to adding components to the board to take full advantage of its capabilities. Add to that it is not supported by most tuners, and by the time you pay for the plug and play, and harness, and sensors you could have gotten an EMS with a lot more features/ or rotary specific support.

It would be nice to get rid of the AFM, but my goals for the current engine (300 ft/lbs on a stock port s5 T2 w/ 9.4 rotors) do not require it just yet. So it will be nice to be able to tune the rtek on a device where the battery life is measured in hrs instead of seconds, and not have to worry about my passenger crushing my serial cable.

Hooray Android!

I am getting ready for a tii swap, and that includes bigger injectors and a bnr stage 2 or 3, so rtek is definitely happening. If this is close to coming to production ill gladly wait a short while and just nurse the n/a along(or blow it up and wait).

If adjustable fuel cranking maps could be added to the N370 that would be awesome, though I do not know if thats a limitation of the ecu or not.

You just greatly increased product appeal! Great work!!

I sure hope this works on the Samsung Galaxy Tab I just bought!!!

Keep us updated. I'll buy it the day its released

I think my next phone purchase will coincide with the release of this update.....

Eagerly awaiting a status update

Upgrading to Razor MAXX when this is ready, been waiting for a reason to upgrade and this it it! Going to make a cradle with car charger for the phone so it will be built into the center console....this is going to be sooooooo sweet.
Thanks guys!
Let me know if there is a "donation" paypal acct to send some funds to, it's well worth it.

rTek+Android = Love
 

Definitely subscribed to this. I'm so glad you guys decided to port. Palm OS sucks + the sketchy cables. BT Dongle even though bt is kinda sketch too would be AMAZING + not having to own a palm anymore, can just tune up on my phone or my Steak 7". LOVE IT, I'm alllll in

Can't wait for this one! If you guys need a beta tester for when you add N326 let me know :D

Definelty looking forward to this.

Mr. M. "Rtek7" Montalvo, how's things coming along? :worship:

Upgraded to the Motorola Android Razzer, looking forward to making a dock for the phone with engine info rolling on the screen.
Sweet!

I think it would be nice to have some nice landscape/Portrait visual options since these typically have nice screens and options for how people want to mount/view them would be nice. I would not make it anything that slows release of course ;)

Not much of an update on the software. But I have the custom bluetooth hardware completed and working. Picture added above.

Thank you for the update! Looks good, keep up the work. I'm Anxious to Ditch the POS palm and all the Connection interruptions for my Dell Streak and large Screen Tuning :) Thank you Thank you Thank you for working on the port. So much more life left for rtek stuff, thanks thanks thanks! :nod:

Does that mean you fixed or found a work around for the lag?

Wow I can't wait to be able to use this. I love RTEK but hate PALM.

I want! I want! I want! So when can we purchase it? Going to be getting my 2nd rtek, but i cant stand the palm im using...

That! My palm (for rtek na) loves to disconnect mid log and the battery is terrible.

disconnecktie
 

I Can't wait either! palms suck, Disconnecting issues with mine also. Tape helps.

i was going to rubber band the cable to the palm, but the car has been sitting on jackstand for over 2 months for suspension and drivetrain upgrades, so im not that motivated.

is there by any chance an estimated release date??

This just made my day !

I'm probably going to inherit an S4 T2 problem child with an Rtek, and was in the process of writing an email asking about the possibility of porting the software to Android when I found this, lol.

Any ideas on time lines or progress? I'm really not looking forward to hunting down obsolete electronics to try to get the maps on this pile squared away...

Sorry guys, it's been a busy few months. No new updates. I'm currently finishing up a huge web project for ASU (it's what pays the bills..), but I have another month or so left before I get back to the android port.

Thks for the update an keep us posted!

no worries, Just keep up the good work and update us as much as possible. I'll be in line to get the new setup as SOON as its available. SUPER excited (now if you can get rid of the AFM too :nod:)

Hey hey, lets not get greedy. Lets just focus on the android, at least there has been actual progress with that endevour.

I'll be glad to know when this is ready so I can click "add to shopping cart"

What would be really sweet IMHO is being able to use a Raspberry Pi running Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) and then send the video out to a double-DIN head unit. You couldn't do any tuning but would be great for monitoring while being a lot more professional, integrated and OEM looking that a a-pillar pod or phone stuck on the dash.

Given that the telcos aren't upgrading Android for most of the devices they've sold the decision to support from the early handsets is nice. It'll mean a lot of cheap devices available for a long time.

Trust me I've looked into this, but not for running android. Doing a full web-based wi-fi enabled front end for the rtek so you could use any web enabled device. I have one here and it's awesome. The problem is while the hardware is cheap, it's still hard to get them, and what happens if the foundation says "sorry we aren't going to make them anymore", then all that work is wasted and we are back to the same problem we have with the Palm...

I thought of rolling my own hardware but apparently you need to be ready to buy 10k units before broadcom will sell you the SoC

I'll be happy with just using something other than Palm - I don't forsee android or tablet/smart phones going anywhere anytime soon - so communication method (Bt/wifi/ Even hard wired) not such a big deal to me, whichever is easiest - just as long as its not the crappy palm touchscreen and software!

Do you have any need for donations to the cause? :) if so I'd be down to give some if needed to get stuff moving faster. I freak out everytime i see this post updated lol.

The problem isn't really money, it's time. But since time is money I guess one could argue it's a money problem too.

I was thinking of doing a kickstarter type thing, but I already said I would make it regardless..

So the answer is no, not at this time. Even if you donated, I woudn't be able to get to it any faster.

no worries - just lookin' out! let us know if there's anything we do to help

Cheers to that!

+1

It is probably a good idea to wait as the SoC space is evolving rapidly. My guess is that the Android option has more legs than Linux because the audience is far larger and more dynamic. There are options to Raspberry Pi coming to market so it will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

Any updates on this thing? I'll be picking up the 2.1 Rtek over the cold months and it would be really nice not having to buy a palm :)