Steel Science
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Steel Science
http://www.riceracing.com.au/apex-seals.htm
Anyone heard of or used these? He makes some bold claims.
Anyone heard of or used these? He makes some bold claims.
Peter (Rice Racing) makes some other very nice looking products as well, though they are rather pricy...
I plan on switching over to his Mechanical Water Injection setup (from my Aquamist HFS-3/Summer) before too long.
His M&W Coil on Plug setup is BEAUTIFUL and I'd love to go with them eventually, but they're ******* pricy!!
I just put together my engine, else I would have considered getting his seals...
I know RR is less than politically correct
but what I can appreciate is the fact that he is ACTUALLY an engineer, he works in that field, he's taught people in that field, and he's currently working for Bosch in that capacity. The dude may be a bit abrasive, but he knows his ****!
I plan on switching over to his Mechanical Water Injection setup (from my Aquamist HFS-3/Summer) before too long.
His M&W Coil on Plug setup is BEAUTIFUL and I'd love to go with them eventually, but they're ******* pricy!!
I just put together my engine, else I would have considered getting his seals...
I know RR is less than politically correct
but what I can appreciate is the fact that he is ACTUALLY an engineer, he works in that field, he's taught people in that field, and he's currently working for Bosch in that capacity. The dude may be a bit abrasive, but he knows his ****!
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Does anybody remember what he said about NRS Seals before he broke them? Does anybody remember what he said about NRS after he broke them?
If anyone needs to be reminded let me know. Ill repost it all.
He is a scam artist, conman, fraud and anything else that relates to the scum of the earth that you can think of.
Steer clear.
You have all been warned.
If anyone needs to be reminded let me know. Ill repost it all.
He is a scam artist, conman, fraud and anything else that relates to the scum of the earth that you can think of.
Steer clear.
You have all been warned.
Does anybody remember what he said about NRS Seals before he broke them? Does anybody remember what he said about NRS after he broke them?
If anyone needs to be reminded let me know. Ill repost it all.
He is a scam artist, conman, fraud and anything else that relates to the scum of the earth that you can think of.
Steer clear.
You have all been warned.
If anyone needs to be reminded let me know. Ill repost it all.
He is a scam artist, conman, fraud and anything else that relates to the scum of the earth that you can think of.
Steer clear.
You have all been warned.
You cannot prove any of that. Its all your biased hearsay because of ancient beefs. It has nothing to do with the quality of his product.
If he would like I will post up all the dirt on you but I know he is a better person than that.
This is a perfect example of BS Opposing interests trying to tell you the community what you should do. Do yourself a favor and find the FACTS for yourself.
In fact what I have researched of you on Ausrotary what you said applies to you a lot better.
Well I personally don't know what's going on with Peter and whatever scam artist he's suppose to be but, I do remember hanging out and having dinner with him at Sevenstock 2004. He was a really cool guy.
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I don't know anything about past beef or whatever but I have spoke with him recently and seen all of his research on seals and the testing he has done with his vs other brands and other brands don't even remotely compare in every test he does. I would love to try them!
That being said my pockets aren't that deep and I went with Atkins Rotary again for everything I needed. They are great seals at an awesome price. The last set I used were their standard seals in an ~400whp s4 t2. Bottom line is tuning and supporting mods are more important than the brand of seals you buy.
That being said my pockets aren't that deep and I went with Atkins Rotary again for everything I needed. They are great seals at an awesome price. The last set I used were their standard seals in an ~400whp s4 t2. Bottom line is tuning and supporting mods are more important than the brand of seals you buy.
flamboyant marketing and lambo prices... that's what we got. once people start making 2000hp with these seals or when I hear irons break before these seals do, I will pay more attention to his product. Nobody uses them. Nobody. If he wants to promote his product, he may want to stop talking crap about other seals and actually put these into some drag team's cars and prove his point. for now, it's ALL talk with nothing to back it up other than some pretty pictures.
I don't know him enough to make any judgement. I do know the scam artists are one of the coolest people to hang out with and among the most professional appearing. Such skills are critical to being a scammer.
I don't know him enough to make any judgement. I do know the scam artists are one of the coolest people to hang out with and among the most professional appearing. Such skills are critical to being a scammer.
check a few of the other forums or FB for the rapage they caused.
they are also removed from Rice's website.
To credit, I haven't found much info on the build, just pics of the rapage. But RR's look comparable to all the seals he has called out for their fence post material.
they are also removed from Rice's website.
To credit, I haven't found much info on the build, just pics of the rapage. But RR's look comparable to all the seals he has called out for their fence post material.
^ Looking at the pictures, it does honestly look like there may have been an issue with lubrication in that housing. A point was also brought up on the other forum that it seems like there are only pictures of a single housing. I can't help but wonder if lubrication may have been completely left up to a faulty OMP system.
Obviously, until a FULL teardown and explanation of break in procedures is presented it's all just speculation.
Obviously, until a FULL teardown and explanation of break in procedures is presented it's all just speculation.
Arrogant Wankeler
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The carbon stains on the seals suggest there was oil. As others have said elsewhere, plenty of engines have run with failed OMP or dipshit premix ratios without doing that in short order.
Did anyone not think it was funny that there was not a single photo of an engine tear down and used seals in his posts on RCC or his website? All his "workshop testing" showed that the material was great at load bearing or impact but showed nothing about frictional properties. Surely if you have been developing something "for years" with big power workshops as he suggested he could have posted some tear down pics. You don't just pull numerous posts and a web page if you back your product.
I used to support Rice back in the day on ausrotary when he got in e-battles with knuckle dragging workshop groupies but who doesn't test something like this in their own engine before selling it, especially when he already has the reputation he did?
People with full genuine profiles on facebook have said they have bought the seals and he is un-contactable, what does that tell you?
The before and after treatment rx72c mentioned is also worth reiterating, he did the same thing with innovate products 10 years ago and then NRS seals 5 years ago. "These products are the best on earth they will suck your dick and clean up afterwards/worst **** on the planet, wouldn't **** on them if they were on fire."
Did anyone not think it was funny that there was not a single photo of an engine tear down and used seals in his posts on RCC or his website? All his "workshop testing" showed that the material was great at load bearing or impact but showed nothing about frictional properties. Surely if you have been developing something "for years" with big power workshops as he suggested he could have posted some tear down pics. You don't just pull numerous posts and a web page if you back your product.
I used to support Rice back in the day on ausrotary when he got in e-battles with knuckle dragging workshop groupies but who doesn't test something like this in their own engine before selling it, especially when he already has the reputation he did?
People with full genuine profiles on facebook have said they have bought the seals and he is un-contactable, what does that tell you?
The before and after treatment rx72c mentioned is also worth reiterating, he did the same thing with innovate products 10 years ago and then NRS seals 5 years ago. "These products are the best on earth they will suck your dick and clean up afterwards/worst **** on the planet, wouldn't **** on them if they were on fire."
Last edited by Slides; Aug 28, 2015 at 01:29 AM.
Exactly. While hardness and frictional properties are related, an ultra-hard material isn't necessarily a guarantor of low friction or compatibility with other materials--such as our chrome plated housings (even though such plating works great with cast-iron, another typically hard material).
The carbon stains on the seals suggest there was oil. As others have said elsewhere, plenty of engines have run with failed OMP or dipshit premix ratios without doing that in short order.
Did anyone not think it was funny that there was not a single photo of an engine tear down and used seals in his posts on RCC or his website? All his "workshop testing" showed that the material was great at load bearing or impact but showed nothing about frictional properties. Surely if you have been developing something "for years" with big power workshops as he suggested he could have posted some tear down pics. You don't just pull numerous posts and a web page if you back your product.
I used to support Rice back in the day on ausrotary when he got in e-battles with knuckle dragging workshop groupies but who doesn't test something like this in their own engine before selling it, especially when he already has the reputation he did?
People with full genuine profiles on facebook have said they have bought the seals and he is un-contactable, what does that tell you?
The before and after treatment rx72c mentioned is also worth reiterating, he did the same thing with innovate products 10 years ago and then NRS seals 5 years ago. "These products are the best on earth they will suck your dick and clean up afterwards/worst **** on the planet, wouldn't **** on them if they were on fire."
Did anyone not think it was funny that there was not a single photo of an engine tear down and used seals in his posts on RCC or his website? All his "workshop testing" showed that the material was great at load bearing or impact but showed nothing about frictional properties. Surely if you have been developing something "for years" with big power workshops as he suggested he could have posted some tear down pics. You don't just pull numerous posts and a web page if you back your product.
I used to support Rice back in the day on ausrotary when he got in e-battles with knuckle dragging workshop groupies but who doesn't test something like this in their own engine before selling it, especially when he already has the reputation he did?
People with full genuine profiles on facebook have said they have bought the seals and he is un-contactable, what does that tell you?
The before and after treatment rx72c mentioned is also worth reiterating, he did the same thing with innovate products 10 years ago and then NRS seals 5 years ago. "These products are the best on earth they will suck your dick and clean up afterwards/worst **** on the planet, wouldn't **** on them if they were on fire."
Exactly. While hardness and frictional properties are related, an ultra-hard material isn't necessarily a guarantor of low friction or compatibility with other materials--such as our chrome plated housings (even though such plating works great with cast-iron, another typically hard material).
More mouth breathers who know no facts of what happened giving their personal opinions...
I talk to him there are also still quite a few sets of these seals running just fine. You can also contact him he may not respond because you are not looking for any services he provides or have any reason to contact him at all.
I still find it strange that so many of you take offense at something said about someone and products you have nothing to do with.
To put to rest the seals as the culprit of the FB BS these seals are being used by other people who actually know how to build an engine..
Not that it matters forum members aren't able to obtain these anymore anyway as you can't get in contact with him to buy a set...
The rotary takes another step back all because of **** talkers and mouth breathers..
Arrogant Wankeler
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Courtesy of Rotormotion.
Originally Posted by ROTOMOTION
...i am not new to the rotary engine scene i have been building motors & running my own shop since 1980 so i have a bit of an idea,these steel science seals came highly recommended by Peter himself i eventually decided to give them ago after digesting the price he wanted to charge,motor built with new housings & all new seals but used rotors motor was dynoed 340rwhp & handed back to the owner running sweet.
owner rings after approx2600km & books in for a dyno to have the boost lifted & car was running fine,in the following 400km the engine slowly lost vacuum & became hard to start & eventually would not run & was returned to the workshop on a trailer.
motor was stripped down after determining that it low compression i was thinking pos bowed apex seals but when the engine was stripped i could not believe the amount of damage that had been done the apex seals have completely removed all of the chrome surface like i have NEVER seen before in 28 years of building engines.
the sad thing is that peter initially returned my emails claiming it must be an oiling issue (car runs pre mix) .once i started to push him for refund he has now gone to ground & i cant contact him & from what i am reading this is his form i have pics but i wont post them yet.
i would strongly suggest that people dont use these seals going on my experience.
owner rings after approx2600km & books in for a dyno to have the boost lifted & car was running fine,in the following 400km the engine slowly lost vacuum & became hard to start & eventually would not run & was returned to the workshop on a trailer.
motor was stripped down after determining that it low compression i was thinking pos bowed apex seals but when the engine was stripped i could not believe the amount of damage that had been done the apex seals have completely removed all of the chrome surface like i have NEVER seen before in 28 years of building engines.
the sad thing is that peter initially returned my emails claiming it must be an oiling issue (car runs pre mix) .once i started to push him for refund he has now gone to ground & i cant contact him & from what i am reading this is his form i have pics but i wont post them yet.
i would strongly suggest that people dont use these seals going on my experience.
^ WOW looks like someone dumped a bucket of sand down the intake. Looks like I'll be sticking with my RA classics as my 91 vert that ran them had the be broken down from a bad coolant seal. After 45 thousand miles the housings looked NOTHING like that. 
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^^^Seeing they're 4000km apart and against all the odds hoping for a refund, might be a little hard to do! I thought he was using the same steel as in his father's knives, maybe with a different heat treat....going by the besser block demo back when.
Late on this one. Might need to take a crash course on differences of educational institutions here perhaps? 
I'd probably want metallurgical advice first in any event.
Originally Posted by fendamonkey
I know RR is less than politically correct but what I can appreciate is the fact that he is ACTUALLY an engineer, he works in that field, he's taught people in that field, and he's currently working for Bosch in that capacity. The dude may be a bit abrasive, but he knows his ****!
but what I can appreciate is the fact that he is ACTUALLY an engineer, he works in that field, he's taught people in that field, and he's currently working for Bosch in that capacity. The dude may be a bit abrasive, but he knows his ****! I'd probably want metallurgical advice first in any event.
