Converting a T-56 Tranni on a 3rd Gen...One Question.
 

How well does the T-56 bolt up to the 3rd gen?Probably the same as the 2nd gen I would imagine. Whats needed for installation on a 3rd gen?


All that is needed is a coverting plate and a modified drive shaft correct?

T5s are weak too...




*edit by Greg*
He meant T-56 tranny

For how long? :)

Some people run 10's on the stock N/A RX-7 tranny... I wouldn't try to do that without some sort of partnership with a junkyard :)

I thought T5's were pretty strong?

Most are only rated up to 450lb-ft of torque...


-Ted

The T-5 is rated to 300lb-ft but even still they don't last long behind even stock 5.0s (which have 300lb-ft peak) once you start driving "enthusiastically".

Even a T56 isn't much better if you can't shift for shit.

OK, for auto trannys, what about the turbo 350?

Yeah what about the turbo 350?

Isn't the 3rd gen tranny good to like 500 ft/lbs of torque?



Why not look into a straight cut gearset?


-Zach

Straight cut hear set?What d you mean?

I dont want my 5 speed anymore,I think I will get better ET's with an auto....

Well if you want an auto then nevermind :)


-Zach

Eric saw some real drag racing and now he wants to go fast :D

Around how much are a set of straight cut gears? Also what about Richmond Gear trannys, does anyone know anything about those? Any suggestions on a really strong manual tranny for drag?

Welll usually you can pick up a straight cut gearset for ~2-4K... I imaging ones for the FD would be on the high side of things..


-Zach

Summit sells Richmond 6 speed transmissions, and they rate them for 450 ft.-lbs. of torque.

So these aren't any better than the T56's? The Viper puts out 490 ft-lbs. and doesn't it use a T56 tranny? Basically what I wanna know is what do the most powerful manual tranny domestic dragsters use (Mustangs, Chevy's, etc)? I know most of them use autos but a lot of them use sticks too.

The Mustang tranny's pretty much go as follows: T5=stock
Tremec=better than stock
Tremec TKO=used by many drag racers with good results
T56=great tranny but crappy shifting from what i'm told

My bet would be a TKO if your gonna go stick....the t56 would be too hard to match up IMO.

I'd say a stock T5 would be equal or close to our 3rd gen stockers. Our motors don't make alot or torque anyway right??

I've been looking at that too.. Does anyone make a kit to put that tranny in a FD??

Also in Japan the AXIA Sports Strait cut DOGG gear set is about 4k, the only problem is it still uses the stock shift linkage that sucks... I've broken 4 transmissions now going from 2nd to 3rd, It linkage likes to catch 3rd and 5th at the same time and shrapnel the 5th gear locking collar and syncros, usually breaking the Reverse Syncro at the same time and this has really been pissing me off... I love the Guru dogg mission, but 5k+ is really hard to come up with..

They should have the same bolt pattern/input shaft as a Super T10 (GM) or a Ford Toploader (Ford).

If you can find adapters to adapt a T10 to a rotary, then you can use a GM-pattern Richmond.

Interestingly, the Richmond trannies (5 and 6 speed) are based off of the Super T10 four-speed, which they bought from Doug Nash, who bought it from... grr go on and shoot me 'cos I can't remember. I'd like to say either Dana or Muncie. Anyway, it's the same basic trans as used in many GMs as well as most Corvettes up to the 6-speed era. Corvettes never had 5-speeds, the C4 started out with a 4-speed with an electric overdrive on the top three gears (4+3 trans). AFAIK it was the last time a true overdrive was used in a passenger car. Anyway the T10 type trans is still used in circle track racing - it's kind of generic now.

Borg Warner maybe? Yeah, that's it...

Ok.. anyone no somplace that makes this... And how will you use tranny with the FD clutch...?

Isn't the problem with the 6-spd tranny is our tunnel? Have you seen the 6-spds size compared to ours? It's huge! If you want a truly stout 6spd go to the Viper T56 (500lbs).......but it's huge. I'm talking to a guy who built the Mustang adapter for the T56 to see if it's worth it to build one for the FD. I don't want to have to bang away at the tranny tunnel.....and i want the shifter in the stock setting.

not to mention no more power plant frame... so you'd have to do somthing with the diff... Man I wish the guru mission gear/linkage/shifter set was cheaper...

Dragon: tell me about it! They (Guru) were supposed to show me the setup when they came to the states but they never called. I was gonna buy the set they brought!

Oh well.....i'm gonna find something! I'm in the process of finding an auto tranny for a Supra also.

The guru tranny set + new bearings from mazda and shipping will run about 6k or so and I is Poor.... at least to poor to just go out and get one... I may have to save and try to get the Axia sports gear set for 4K...

4K?

F' that

I rather have a Richmond 4+1 $1,800 plus shifter

there gears are loud but
with the right shifter you can shift with out the clutch

theres a vid of a TII with it
lost the link tho

That's not the $1800 richmond :) That's a pro-shifted (or was it a full-on dog gear setup?) Doug Nash :) The $1800 Richmond is a regular old synchro tranny, no clutchless bang shifts there!

You could try it if you wanted to.:D

The link for the TII with the Doug Nash setup is in the single turbo forum. It's in the "Should I do a partial bridegeport on my motor?" thread started by Exit13B. If you can't find it let me know.

I don't know but I could swear
Exit and Crispeed are using the same Transmission

The Richmond 4+1 transmission
https://www.jegs.com/photos/836705.jpg


Jegs and Summit only list one type of 4+1
It is the seguential(Pro) shifter that makes it semi-clutchless
as I understand it

Some sequentials still require using the clutch.

yes That is why the 4+1 is a street/strip tranny

It is tame enough for the street
strong and qucik shifting for the Track

No, the video is called Exit13BDougNashTest for a reason :)

I'll do you one better :) :

LoL :)

Ok but it is the $1,800 4+1 with opitional
gears

How much more are the cut/dog sync/gears?

Lots :)

The ram-rod/front-back gate shifter he uses has nothing to do with being able to shift clutchless, (neither does a sequential shifter) it just makes it easier to not miss a shift!

BTW if $4k is too much, Quaife has a 6-speed setup for the T2 transmission, it has straight cut gears and the beefiest dogs on the gears that I've ever seen, and it only costs about $7000! ($4k is a bargain now isn't it? :) )

If you want 'beefy' check out the GURU set, sorry to put down the quaife but they are chalk and cheese re the quality and strength.

But at least it costs a lot, right? :)

Hmm, good point though... what kind of warranty does the Guru set-up offer? IIRC the Quaife goods have an unconditional lifetime warranty.

twister: i was supposed to see the Guru gearset when Kelvin(??) was coming to the states. They asked me my # and said they'd call but never did. I was rather disappointed.....

Hi,
I just spoke to Rohan re that, they went to E-town for the drags about 6 weeks ago, they finished up only having a stopover at LAX, most of the time was spent in NY & Texas. I am sorry about Rohan not contacting you but he will be back in the states later in the year he said, so hopefully he will get more time on your side of the states to come and see you and some of the other guys.

Well here in OZ I know they provide full warranty on all parts 'except' of course the parts that wear (dog rings etc). Of course I would say that is limited to YOU not abusing it etc! :-) BTW has anyone tried to claim through quaife on the unconditional lifetime warranty ? And do you know what they will really cover, I have seen vipers eating Torsens for breakfast and Quaife sure does not cover these for anything?

I think the viper tranny is the best way to go with a street car thats raced often. Modified Vipers with 650+ hp still use the stock tranny effectivly and reliably. There is no need for a 4k+ tranny that will not be comfortable to drive in street use. With the Viper tranny you can still have the smooth clutch assisted shifting and keep the car noise free but still hold 600 hp. Plus you can brag to your friends and tell them that you have a Viper tranny :)

Sounds Cool... Now how do you make one fit and work in a FD?

Get a bell housing adapter made, longer imput shaft (I think that Mike Long or Mark Williams can help out on that), New drive shaft, custom mounts. Im not sure how the tranny will line up with the stock shifter position so you migh have to modify the interior. If you know someone that fucks with fiberglass then you can make a new center console that will fit with the shifter position. You could even make a few to sell :). Could you imagine 600 rwhp and smooth transitional shifting onthe street WHOOOHOOOO!!! Sounds like the ultimate street car :), And not to mention the 6th gear for gas saving :D

Isn't the Viper transmission a T-56?

yes sir :)

I think they used the stock transmission in the 850 HP twin turbo car.

yes sir, that was the Hennessey Twin T04E turbo'd venom 850. That car ran 9.9 on slicks by the way with stock air condition :)