Can a Hybrid make 375rwhp?
 

I was just wondering if there was a certain hybrid I could get that would make close to 400rwhp. I have been searching but didn't really find out. Now of course I mean with the proper fuel, fmic, and boost control, etc. Just wondering if it could happen and be 15psi or under. Thanks.

Under 15 PSI?
I don't think so?

A lot of full upgrade turbos have trouble making that much power under 15psi!

I realize its asking for alot. Heres a better question I guess...can a hybrid get me in the mid 12s in the 1/4? I don't really want to go over 15psi. If not whats the best I can hope for. Thanks alot.

Witch hybrid? Are you meaning like a toyota prius, insight, civic? or that Acura hybrid they have had in car mags the one with electric motors driving all the wheels for acceleration and a high-eficantcy (can't spell) NSX engine to drive the rear wheels and for power generation.

Alien Hybrids surely??
I can vouch for a hybrid on a s4 that makes 270 to the wheels using an s5 turbo with to4b 60-1 wheel. I would think anything more than that is limited by the exhaust back pressure. With that hybrid it makes boost almost all the time, which takes a toll on gas mileage for sure, but ensures real good throttle response.
I prefer a full turbo upgrade myself..Max

Ya I know that a full upgrade is alot better but I was just wondering if the stock turbo(hybrid) could get me in the mid 12s really. I will eventually get a whole new turbo.

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Actually, I know a guy who's running a hybrid and just ran a 12.4. 88 TII. He's in the northwest section and i think his name is sylvias13drift or something like that. It might be a t3/t4 hybrid.
steve

anything is possible.......

it is possible to make upto around 500 flywheel HP with a 60-1 compressor wheel on a hybrid but you have to blow well into race gas pressures to make it. around 25-28psi might see you in the ball park, on the other hand you could run those pressures with a full bigger turbo and see an extra 200HP+ for your troubles

I know which route i'd take it and certainly isn't the hybrid one

I ran a 12.8 @ 108 MPH on a hybrid turbo. It's a little bigger than a stock turbo.
I think With a intercooler C02 sprayer, I can get it down to the low 12's.
Here it is next to a stock turbo.

So what are the exact specs on your turbo rxstasy1? How much was it and where from? Oh and have you been dynoed with it? Thanks.

Well you could buy a set of used non sequential 3rd gen twins for $300 and run low 12's or MAYBE high 11's at 15psi of boost.

Well, I guess you'd need to buy a Y pipe as well but they can be had pretty cheap....hell you can get a new one for like $200

STEPHEN

I have ran as fast as 11.9 @ 116mph on a T04E .60 Hybrid. This was done with 18 psi and pump gas. I ran at least 20 12.0's to 12.2's with that turbo. I have also ran 12.3 @ 111mph on the stock turbo with just a larger compressor wheel. My friend Scott just ran a 12.54 @ 108mph on the same turbo in his car. Slicks and fast 60's are the key.

Ben
11.6 @ 120 mph
1991 RX7 Turbo

Have you been dynoed? What exactly have did you have done to the stock turbo to run the 12.3? Whats your full setup? Thanks.

I never dynoed that setup. The stock turbo had just been bored out and fitted with a larger compressor wheel. This was in 1999 and my setup then consisted of a stock 91 13BT, stock intercooler, HKS F-Con, Walbro fuel pump, stock injectors, 3" downpipe, 2 1/2" midpipe, Dynomax catback with about 16 psi of boost.

Ben

Man, I'm getting a little happier. I have some money to play with and am looking to add the GReddy fmic, 720cc secondaries, s-afc, catback, custom TID along with everything I already have. So at 15# you think I could break into the 12s?(just looking for possibility, not anything definite) Thanks.

Before I got this T60-1 I had a T04B (HYBRID) w/ Super-V compressor and I dyno'd 333rwhp @ 15psi and that was with a G-Force chip and stock IC.....I ran a 12.0 @ 116mph...... The guy I sold the turbo and chip to ran an 11.80 using the same setup....amazing huh?

My T60-1 is waaaaaay stronger than the T04B....of course I have a WOlf EMS running the show too, and 1680's

So you only need like 280rwhp to get into the 12s or what?

280rwhp for 12's? ya thats about right......Of course depending on the driver too

I don't know the exact specs on that turbo. I bought it from a friend and the company that sold it is now defunct.
I think I am right around 280 RWHP. Maybe if I tune my Haltech, I could get closer to 300 HP out of it.
Am looking at a Motec Lambda to tune it with.

Hey Rxtasy1,
This should help you figure your RWHP out a little better. As I said my friend Scott ran a 12.55@108mph on slicks the other day. This was a week after he dynoed at 280rwhp. I am thinking that is right around what you are running.

Ben

Just did some clearing out of the tailpipes!

I think I'm over 300 now!:D

i sell hybrid turbos that you are talking about...if you send me a core turbo it costs around $700.00 to get all the fancy upgrades turbonetics offers , 1 year warranty included... the only complaint i have had was the boost comes on too fast= poor fuel ecconomy... i have personally seen 350 whp on the dyno @ 16 psi....on pump gas, anything more boost wise on pump gas is suicide , i have seen it personally!

Do you port the hell put of the wastegate as well?

Right now I am using a Series 5 wastegate.

The problem with these hybrids at 15+ PSI, is they generate lot's of heat!
My intake temps will be OK for one run. The next run, they climb to 120+ degrees!!

I am going to get a water injection system to remedy this, then eventually buy a bigger turbo.

Right now with my hybrid, @ 16 PSI, I am right around 350 RWHP.

I would like to see a hydrogen powered turbo wankel!
Hydrogen cars produce water out the exhaust. So kick up the boost enough and you should be able to get a pretty good "rooster tail"!

Do you have a fmic?

Yep... Greddy. Soul Assassins old one.

Have you tried to ice down your intercooler/intake manifold between/before runs?

hell yes i port the wastegate!

i know it would be better to have a fmic but how much hp would i get with a 60-1 hybrid. I know id need bigger injectors???

Alright, as long as you don't run off I will prolly have you upgrade my turbo then.

I can't see a hybrid doing more than 350hp to the wheels.&nbsp If you can make this kinda power, it's mid 11's down the 1/4-mile.&nbsp The stock center (i.e. carbon seal) sux for big boost, in my experience - others will argue otherwise.&nbsp I'm tired of rebuilding those crappy carbon seals myself.


-Ted

The "crappy carbon seals" are replaced with a dynamic seal when upgrading to a t04 compressor housing/wheel/backplate usually, if they dont, there dumb. But, I see big boost #'s just heating the hell out of a engine with those tiny exhaust turbines and housings.

they do upgrade with dynamic seal as well as 360 degree thrust brg. for longer turbo life at higher boost levels, the problem is they will not put these options unless you specifically ask for them, thats wht alot of hybrids fail prematurly... as for too much heat on the exhaust side, as with any turbo application, more heat= more energy, more energy= more power....there is more heat sooner , but you have instant boost wich almost everybody wants. TURBO LAG LOOSES RACES period!besides you can always take heat out on the compressor side with a good intercooler.

I talked to someone in South Florida that does Turbos

Said he can make my stock S4 Turbo "almost" into a FULL TO4E

The only stock part used is the Rear Turbine Housing
Which he machines for P,O,Q trim

So it uses a TO4 Bearing Housing with Dynamic seal and 360' degree thrust bearing

Recommends I weld a external wastegate flange on the Manifold with this upgrade

I have a Deltagate laying around
My question is if the Stock S4 turbine Housing is 1.0
and a Full blown To4 with a rear A/R of 1.0 make the same HP?

Whats the price for all this? I'd really like to upgrade my stock turbo for a little while at least.

I have to re-confirm but VERY good price for a stage III Upgrade
Will also match port the Inlet runners of the Turbine

I 'm going to ask him What a Stage 4 comes with and how much extra( I think a stage 4 is a 60-1 wheel)

I'll PM you

try www.bnrsupercars.com

I have he only does TOB's- I'm led to believe TO4E's have a better compressor Map