I shrunk it down, you friggin' whiny bitches :D

i alredy posted a link to the scr seals

Indeed you did. My bad, y0 :bluesuit:

some people break ianetti's, some people make atkins work for 40psi...it's all in the tuning.

that's funny-I hear stuff about hurley's all the time, but I haven't had any trouble out of mine.

That's good news for you and your bank account ;).

How much power/boost are you running? If close to stock levels, that is prolly why you havent had any problems.

[QUOTE=RICE RACING]They should give a guarantee to have no compression after a small amount of running in "non ideal conditions" :P

Now how did I know you couldn't resist this post. :)

Where the hell you been buddy!

NRS ceramics all the way, they are so good shops dont wont to tell you about them! :)

i hear shit all the time too, but i've torn down a few engines with hurleys. dents on the rotor faces, broken side and corner seals, apex seals intact, and rotor housings showed no signs of abnormal wear. i don't know if they were the "long life" or "racing" seals, though.

NRS ceramics all the way, they are so good shops dont wont to tell you about them! :)[/QUOTE]

If the shops won't tell us about them, why don't you? Do I need to auction off my first born to get a set??

apex rx6 @ 15 psi-steve kahn butt dyno says 360-380 to the wheels. ran it at much higher boost 19-20 psi when it was an auto.

steve kahn's butt dyno? Is this a new tuning secret? :rlaugh:

[QUOTE=crispeed]if you're gonna spend $2k on a set of ceramics, might as well spend $1k on new rotor housings too....oh yea, new seals and springs everywhere, and we certainly don't want old rotors.... and fuck those used irons...etc, etc

$350 stock seals are great. just don't detonate.

so $7-8k later, you've got an engine.

I'm sure you realize you're being silly.

When applicable, I agree with the rotor housing comment. Irons, rotors and eshaft are perfectly fine to reuse if not damaged. New seals and springs are a bit of a default when rebuilding an FD motor.....

Just don't detonate? Shit happens, especially with boosted rotaries. Bad gas, bad tuning, poor correction maps, overboosting, etc etc.

The 1 pc ceramic seals retail at $1195.00 but i'll be happy to take $2K for them.
New seals and springs everywhere??? How else do you build an engine?

sorry, i was going off this:
http://pineappleracing.com/Merchant2...t_Code=3M2PCAS

but everyone's talking shit about the other indestructible seals, but ceramics are ok. ceramics can still break, but you'll probably break your side and corner seals first--which brings us back to the original argument of why use super strong apex seals and stock everything else?

The price on Pineapples site is for 2 pc seals and it includes the hard faced springs.

Why use strong apex seals and stock everything else? Because there really aren't many other options for aftermarket seals other than apex seals and is there really any proof of benefit to aftermarket corner and side seals vs the stockers. I don't know but I can tell you of a failure due partially to aftermarket corner seals not having adequate slot clearance to the apex seal as well as not having adequate corner seal to groove clearance. Combine the two and you've got a problem... stuck corner seals that are impinging the apex seal in two ways.

I will soon be making a prototype set of ceramic corner seals and they will be tested in a drag car. If everything works out there may be another aftermarket seal option.

Sorry to ramble on off topic, I just wanted to correct the price confusion on the ceramic seals.

my bad on the price confusion. that wasn't really the main point, anyway.

i was thinking more along the lines of why put money into one thing and not another?

Tunning is a very important factor... We are running on factory Mazda seals right now... Go figure...

I'm not knocking on the NRS seal at all, they are a truly badass seal. but the difference hear is that PTS offers a GUARANTEE meaning that once you spend all that money, you don't have to worry about it beeing wasted and spending it again. anyway, this thread is about the PTS seals so let's get back on topic shall we.

I'm scared of my Hurleys, haha... only 13psi on 93 octane, but still lots of power... when they break, if the housings aren't damaged (I had a long talk with Steve about how Hurleys wear the housings moreso than other seals.. which surprised me seeing as they're supposed to be really soft), I'll probably just use Mazda seals.

What kind'a Hurleys did you have?

ps: sorry for being off-topic.

I know people that have broken them in their engines but I'm talking extreme horsepower and boost... So they should be very good under other circumstances...

half the money probably goes for that stupid box they come in.