Are turbo civic's fast.....
 

2 day i just walked a turbo civic( the one with the big headlights, no hatch bout a 96 or 97 i think) i know it was a turbo cuz he postioned his car perfectly for me 2 hear the bov, and he had the smallest intercooler in the world. so i took him down to my hi skool drag spot, and put him in the mirror. he had a car length off the light but after 55 he got the tail light special by a car and a half . i think maybe sumthin went wrong with his car or maybe him, cuz i got STOCK 88 GXL. but when i passed him his engine sounded fine actually pretty nice too. one of the better sounding civics on the road

so how fast do yu guys think turbo civics are i guess he's got basic t3/t4 setup?

It all depends on how they're setup. Id think even a very small turbo civic should be able to walk a stock N/A FC, but maybe not. Ive seen some with intercooled T-28 setups that are making like 200whp. Just such a small turbo that runs out of breath at even marginal rpms. But there are some T04 and larger setups that can make significant power, alls it takes is $$$

He probably runs mid 13's, high 13's if he's got a t3/t4 that's properly tuned. But it really depends on which Civic is turboed, the SOHC ones are going to be plenty slower than the DOHC Civic's. Tuning does make all the world too. But if you walked him in a stock GXL, no matter what engine he had in there, if it was turboed he either wasn't boosting or wasn't tuned because stock they don't run too much slower than a GXL.

i'm building a custom turbo kit for my dx civic hatch.

its probly going to run me around 5-600 for everything.
i'll be running 14's.

consider this, my car should run 17's stock(although its more like 16's). and 600 will get me in the 14's.

think about when you plunk 5 or 10grand into it

yeah it all depends on the driver tho... i have seen the local siviks wit the turbo runnin 15s hahhaahah...... some kids jus cant drive

trudat, you gotta know what your doin to handle that fwd,
really good tires are also a MUST

:bsflag:... Either that thing's not turbo'd or your car isn't a GXL... lol

civics can be fast, just can't be cheap about it.

OOoooooh I beg to differ,
civics are ALL about goin cheap style!!!

course if you dont mind plunking down fat wads of cash in em, you get your moneys with(if you do it right).

but screw that, i'll take a custom turbo setup over a $3,000 revhard kit anyday!!

Sometimes people will buy a old turbo from someone that upgraded their Eclipse or something to a larger turbo, so the turbos only good for about 30-50HP or so, Not a bad mod for only 400-500$ so his story isnt too unbelieveable.

Quentin Christensen

LOL

I agree. I think that civic has one of those NPT turbo systems.

Or he may just have those nifty little buggers that you can buy really cheap that make a sound nearly identical to a BOV, but doesn't do anything for your car. I'm sure they're all the rage with the ricers. :bsflag:

Before you do spend $500-$600 on your car for a turbo, make sure that you have a backup car, because unless you are planning on running 3-4psi, that thing is going to be a short fuse time bomb. First of all, I don't see how that price range would include a decent intercooler, second you need timing and fuel control, third civic's have a very high compression ration from the factory and that's very bad for turbo charging, 4th the internals in the civic motor aren't up to task for a turbo. I'm sure you probably won't listen to common scence, but I just don't see how you can make it on that budget when a decent BOV is at lease $150. I did have an opportunity to race a Turboed Honda civic, it was a non intercooled setup probably something like what you are planning on building, the guy asked me how much boost I was running in my car and after I told him it was 15 psi, he said that he's turning his up to 12 and that should be enough to kill me. Well in the race I got a bad start, but by the time I went into 3rd, I was about 10 car lengths ahead of him, cause one of his rods went through the block. Just remember that there is no reliable $500 turbo setup on the car that wasn't turboed from the factory.

so basically that civic was not turbo. Next time ask the guy to pop the hood and look for a turbo. Because turbo civics are faster than stock 88' gxls, no matter how bad the driver in the civic, it still should have beaten you if it really was turbo

na, even with a turbo, they go from 110 hp to 160 yipeee....i wouldn't even call that average.

i am here....hey Series you better represent and show them whats up with your LX

call it BS if yu wanna but aint lyin, im startin to lean towards the fact that he was bad driver. even i knoe my limits in gxl, but my question was how fast are turbo civics hence the the name of the thread

i never seen a fake intercooler tho, but yu never knoe what people will do when they wheat and rice

Depending on which Civic it was, for intance an Si would have the same power as a GXL would have stock. So if it had even a small turbo he'd be at 200hp. If it had an engine swap then it probably has even more power. The only Civics that have less power than that would be the EX at 127hp and the lower models with 115hp and 106hp. Even so, the SOHC Civics with less power still have a pretty large potential for power. They have 300hp SOHC Civics running around.

i would say next time check under his hood. intake kits exist for civiks that look exactly like intercoolers but are smaller and well, aren't intercoolers. or, he could have a really shitty, untuned ghettorigged setup on a dx motor, or maybe he broke something. who knows, not i.

Wow, there sure are a lot of Honda people on this RX-7 forum!!

I've seen fast civics in the 'turbo" Magazine, just not personaly, sure, lots clam, to be fast, just that I have yet to see it. BTW I live in Canada, so it's a little different here. We have 13 sec. honda's and they think they are the SH&t. But I did see a 9.3 sec. street integra, from seattle that blew everyone who saw it away( it may be second nature in the US circuit)!!!!But I don't live there and don't know the cars there. I just know that 9.3 what freeken fast......well in my opinion, don't know what the rest of you think?

Unless is a DOHC 1.6 or 1.8, I have to call it on you :D

:bsmeter:

yall aint gonna believe this i found him 2nite at the 7-11 and i saw this pist-on enige. all hes got is cold air intake, headers, catback(so he says), and upgraded cams. it was sohc. and all that bov noise came from this ricey speaker that sounds like 1, and the "intercooler" was like an oil cooler or sumthin like that. he said he made it so..... so yeah i got smoked buy his noise and his appearance, but he saw my taillights so its all good

SOHC Civic's run High 16's, the GXL does what mid 16's?

That sounds about right then compared to a stock GXL. I/H/E isn't a huge improvement over stock in a SOHC.

ive seen so many fake intercoolers on those riced out rides.....their little trick is to mount just the core in the front of the car, but if you look closely they dont have any of the pipes from the turbo or to the intake.;)

yes they can. depends on the setup.

My friend has a 2000 EX with a cold air intake and a cat- back exhaust. He brought back the dyno sheet and was expecting me to be impressed with 94 fwhp. Hands down, civics are SSSSSSLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW WWWWWWW. :p:

There's something wrong with that car

It's not an EX then, probably a DX. EX's have 127hp stock which should be around 110whp. Either your dyno tuner sucks or his car is fucked up.

Still slow, but his car isn't running right.

That's one thing just cant' understand. Trying to make people think yor car is fast when it's not. That just makes it worse when they get their ass handed to them.

Legitamate turbo Civics can be fast. Believe it or not, SOHC motors are preferred for boost over the DOHC, because of the high compression of the DOHC.

My bro is currently running a Jackson Racing S/C in his del sol(SOHC). Although it feels quick, and he has most other bolt-ons on it for the car (I/H/E, pullyes, clutch, etc..) he's pushing in the neighborhood of 200whp( @ 6psi), and can only hope for mid 14's (ITR terriotry) For the money he's spent, I'm not impressed. But I guess for a 2 second 1/4 improvement...it's ok... For $3k, I can S/C my 4.0 4x4 Ranger and run just as fast as he is. :p: He was bragging yesterday that he kept up with a stock Fox body stang.....if it was me, I would have been dispointed to only "keep up"

I just can't wait to see how he reacts when I get my SE on the road, and beat him with it after a few bolt-ons and some weight reduction. :)

Haha, yea once you get your car running up to par , well both go beat on him. Cant wait to see his reaction getting beat by 2 N/A rotaries...:rofl:

Turbo integras and civics are not slow if done correctly. My brother is running a turbo Type R with:

ENGINE:
B18C5 Motor
ACT Organic Spring Dampened Clutch
T3/T4 turbo
ACT HD Pressure Plate
Trust Front Mount Intercooler
Skunk 2 Adj. Cam Gears
Ross 9:2 to 1 Compression Pistons
ARP Head Studs
Crower Connecting Rods
Energy Suspension Motor Mount Inserts
Total Seal Piston Rings
K&N Valve Cover Breather
Custom Test Pipe
Fluidyne Radiator
Apexi Dunk 2 1/2 inch Exhaust
HKS Super-Sequential BOV
Balanced and Blueprinted Bottom End w/Custom Bearings done by AEBS of
San
Diego, CA

FUEL SYSTEM:
Walboro 255gal/hr Fuel Pump
AEM Adj. Fuel Pressure Regulator
AEM Fuel Rail
720cc RC Fuel Injectors

IGNITION SYSTEM:
MSD Digital 6AL Ignition w/ external Coil
MSD Rotor Cap
Magnecor 9mm Spark Plug Wires
NGK Spark Plugs

ELECTRONICS:
Apex Power FC Fuel Managment System Tuned by XS Engineering
Blitz Dual Stage Turbo Timer
Autometer A/F gauge
Greddy 60mm Boost Gauge
Boost Controller installed on Power FC Command Unit

SUSPENSION / BRAKING:
Comptech .75 Drop Springs
Bilstein Sport Struts
Russell Steel Braided Brake Lines
Powerstop Slotted Rotors
Axxis Brake Pads
Comptech Strut Tower Bar

Anything can be fast, but you can't just say since it's Honda it is slow. This Integra will stomp most of the modded FDs on this forum with the exception of the big singles or finely tuned BNR stage 3's or M2 Twins. Just know that there are cars out there that will surprise you and are not rice. :)

edit: it is a XS T04S turbo

Hey tell your brother to swith out his AEM Fuel Pressure Regulator...there not doing to well on turbo hondas....i had one on my turbo integ and it busted and flooded my engine with fuel and almost caused me some bent rods ...the same incident happend to a turbo civic....oh and by the way nice setup..any hp #'s for your bro's teg

Hey dont get offended because people are saying hondas are slow. THEY ARE> Face it. So are Miatas !!!!

Oh wait Miatas can be fast to , Look at Monster Miata makes 400rwp on stock engine with custom turbo !!!

Did 10.9 BEAT THAT HONDUUUUUUUUUUu

By the way nice run with the civic. Thier pretty fast for the power they make ill give them that. Just dont make much power lol.

STOCK CIVIC 3k? 4k for GOOD GS-R MOTOR/TRANNY ECU? 3k for A GOOD TURBO SETUP that's about 10k in all RIGHT? with slicks ran 12.98 at CMI SACRAMENTO RACEWAY, interesting while my friend with a basically stock RX-7 TURBOII, just intake$40 exhaust$600 afc$300 injectors$200 and some little shit that doesn't goes near 10k bit just a little over 4k ran a 12.6 and consistant, with some MickyTs.

o yeah i might add with 10k or so i can prolly hit low 11s with my RX-7.

my friend just did his dyno b20/vtec turbo (ultimate hybrid engine [for honda]) had 260 and 200 ft. tq
(kinda sad that he spend so much while alot of FC turbo's on this board spent less to hit 250hp)

o well to each own i guess.

yep and even if you do do it right with custom internals and lowered cr with a big turbo, its still wrong wheel drive.

Actually a large majority of the turbo'ed Honda/Acura guys I know do prefer to turbo the DOHC. Even though the DOHC VTECs have higher compression people still turbo their stock motors. By doing that they are able to get slightly more power and better response.

A lot of the SOHC guys I know even the built ones run times and have HP #s which are relatively low when compared to other DOHC motors.

If you ask the guys in www.honda-techs FI forum which they would rather turbo a D16 (SOHC) or a B16 (DOHC) they would probably chose the B16.

True, but with that higher compression, it does make it less safe to do so. I know the car can make more power with a turbo set-up than a SOHC, but it is not as safe.

My bro has a boosted SOHC, and he's the one who's told me that they're better to turbo/sc. Maybe that's because he has one. ;)

Believe it or not, a lot of the people that turbo their high comp B or H series motors DO know that it is less safer to turbo with that CR.

All it means is that they have a smaller margin for error when it comes to tuning. That's something these guys (I know) are willing to accept.

I never said they didn't know it. ;)

There's no such thing as a fast civic. :)

yeah...ok :rolleyes:

My daily driver is a 99 Civic Si coupe, and it's wicked fast consdering it only has a few bolt-ons and a built T28 turbo kit, and that turbo is SMALL!!!!
i only run 12psi max cuz i would blow the engine otherwise. i still manage high 13's wit ease.
and if you saw Civic's can't be fast, well my bro's got a '96 civic hatchback with a B16A motor and built bottom end, XS Engineering TO4S turbocharger kit, GReddy FMIC and BOV, tons of other stuff and he is running the 1/4 mile in the mid 10's with a 50 shot of nitrous. and the punchline is it cost him under 14K to do it all, including the cost of the used car. i would love to see a 3rd gen RX-7 do that.....

BTW: i still ove the 7's! Just trying to help out Honda!

QUESTION: why so many Honda people in a Rx7 club?????????????? Besides that, I have a friend with a early model Mistibushi lancer, not an evo. He chucked in a evo engine but since the car is FWD it has heaps of wheel spin. He ran it at the track and only managed a best time of 15's. It doesn't matter about the power as much as getting the power to the ground. This car has adjustable Koni's all round a $4000 setup. It goes to show it ain't how much money you spend it is how wisely you spend it. It get's even more embarassing when he lost to a standard 200sx!

I used to own a Honda Prelude, but I traded it in for a RX7. I also happen to know a lil bit about turbo'ed hondas and acuras (no first hand exp. just lots of reading & research).

EDIT: you should be glad that you have a few honda "experts" that frequent rx7club. We help to clear up some of the common misconceptions about hondas/acuras (ie: there are no fast Hondas). I also clear up any rumors concerning RX7s on www.honda-tech.com