Funny how you say this when before you said this..


NOW you say you're talking about stock vs stock when in your original post you were comparing his car (Which you dont even know what he had) vs your car which i assume thats stock.

Then you use an immature comeback (still going by your lack of knowledge to his car), that you will "destroy" his car with your m3.

So if anything, the only person getting offended here is you.

If you wanna go by statistics, our cars did high 13s in the 1/4. This was 15 YEARS AGO. And our cars cost a hell of alot cheaper than your car brand new now.

Not to mention our cars put up better track figures than yours.

Now im not here to say our car is better than yours or your car is better than ours. They are 2 different cars. Both good for what they're intended for.

But from the owners feedback, you give bmw owners a bad name. It might be because you own a "bmw". Please dont let that get to you, it makes you guys look ugly.

A new M3 would put up much more of a fight than that, trust me. The guy couldn't drive, or hadn't broken his car in yet.

And who is the grammatically challenged idiot in here claiming to own one? I don't know how you buy a $70,000 car when you haven't got basic communication down yet.

good kill, what setup are you running?

Thanks. Im running a street ported motor, BNR stage 3 turbo at 15psi, FMIC, full exhaust, Microtech ECU and a good tune.

fc?? im asking cause it says you sold your fd on your sig. later. ohhhhhh good kill btw.

I think a ~350whp FC would handle a ~420chp M3 pretty nicely. Assuming drivetrain loss, that's only around 360-370whp in a car that weighs 1000lbs more. I don't see whats so unbelievable about this story.

hahahaha

:lol:

It's not that its unbelievable... Have you seen the spec and actually rode in one? I personally own an FD and I am a bmw tech. Not that I am bias... I love my FD to death, but with 350whp, racing a real driver knowing what an M3 can do....

Do you know what a double clutch SMG is? That's what the new M3 is using. basically its a "simultaneous" shift. For example, when ur in first gear, the gear box is already ready with 2nd once it hit a certain rpm or when you wanted it to. Compare to an old fashion stick shift.... I can say, it shifts 100x faster and much more accurate.

And look at the torque rating for the M3. It's not the HP that is making the new M3 powerful, it is the torque and the torque/powerband that bmw provides.

As many may know, for most cars, once you hit your top toque rating, it will drop instantly. But why is BMW so expensive and called the "ULTIMATE DRIVING MACHINE?"

Let me explain why. It is because, their torque ratings are know to keep at a level for a certain time before they drop down. If we would put down a regular car's torque graph and compared to any the late 2000 models. We can clearly see that, a regular vehicles torque/power band would drop once it hit it top (the graph would look something similar to a V.)

But for BMWs, the graph would look like an U but flipped upside down. Notice the bottom of the U is flat, that's when they are HOLDING torque.

As we all know, it's torque that is moving the vehicle, no HP.

Hope this kinda explained why, if it is a good driver or decent driver trying to do a regular highway pass. I can say you would need close to 400hp with decent torque rating to really "get" the M3.

-AzEKnightz

I am well aware of what an SMG is, but I sincerely doubt that alone will overcome a 1000lbs weight deficit with negligible power and aerodynamic differences.

Thanks for the immense patronizing, but I realize the M3 has a V8, and V8's in general tend to have a rather flat torque line. Although practically any American V8 would humble the M3's in this respect. In fact, my friends Corvette Z06 makes more torque at 1500rpm (not to mention holding 320lbs/ft from 2500rpm to redline) than the M3 peaks at, and its 6 years old.

Horsepower is a direct function of torque, and, in general, is a more usable number to predict the performance of a car since it is the measurement of torque across the entire RPM band. (HP = Torque X RPM/5252) If an engine made 1000lbs/ft of torque, but only revved to 1,000rpm it would only make 190bhp and still be very slow. Also, the M3 only makes 295lbs/ft of torque, which is hardly earth moving. In fact the high RPM's is what makes the M3 fast, so I really don't understand any of your torque argument.

Again, I disagree. If anything, torque would be even LESS usable from highway speeds. Compare the Corvette Z06 to the Nissan GTR. From all accounts, the GTR actually puts more power to the ground and has a DSG gearbox. The Corvette weighs some 800lbs lighter though, and if you have ever seen the two race, it is not even remotely close. After 2nd gear, the Z06 just freight trains the GTR with no remorse.

-Lucien

Lol dude are you cereal? 350 whp FD will DESTROY the new M3. 350 whp FD is pretty much enough to keep up with 600cc bikes. 295 ft/lbs out of a V8 in 2008 is ... NOT impressive.. You are silly :) Shouldn't you know by working at BMW that new 135i is the ultimate driving machine after few "part" replacements?

What does the GTR put down? That thing must be under rated bad. It's awd, has "less" flywheel hp than z06 but makes more whp, lol.

Also, is it confirmed that it was a new M3? Maybe it was a E46 or a E39 with a M5 V8 swap..

that would be an E36 I believe.

Yeah got confused with m5.

I remembering seeing a GT-R that had put down 460+ on a dynopack(whereas the Z06 is usually between 430-440whp) That would equate to over 530 rating at the engine. Nissan sanbags the GT-R sooo much.

tuned 335i's are running very well with the new V8 M3 and they are the torque monsters that the M3 isn't. The M3 has about 300 lb ft and the 335i stock has 300 lb ft and a better power band, stock for stock in daily driving.

s2 or s3 tuned 335is are making 400 lb ft+ and it kicks in about 1500 rpm

long story short, a high 12 sec FD will run against the V8 M3

Yeah 135i is the same thing except few hundred pounds less. Funny thing, factory battery weights 80 lbs in it, get a 15 lbs battery and that's 65 lbs haha

2008 BMW M3 Curb Weight: 3781

1988 Typical lightened, aftermarket modified FC: 2600 could easily be lighter.


I *LOVE* BMW's hypocritical "ultimate driving machine" bullshit. It should really be "Overweight Driving machine that compensates with fancy bullshit gagetry". It'd be cool if BMW's were more spartan (or could be purchased without the extra crap). It's a sports car for yuppies that like to gloat about all the worthless buttons they've got.

That said, if I could afford one, I'd probably buy one cause I'm sure they're comfy for DD'in. :lol: I also use to have a rotary at about 350rwhp, drivers being the same this would be a good race to watch

I can say I believe he beat the M3 if it was either the old ones or the new one. M3 v8s run high 12s. So I agree with foxman´s comments "long story short, a high 12 sec FD will run against the V8 M3"One thing I can say that car is a beast.

I just had a quick 1st gear 2nd gear race with an E92 (coupe) today. I had to google the picture for it cause I get confused with BMWs as Im not a fan, I also dont go around racing cars nowdays my FC is my daily driver and beater, but the owner of this BMW actually waited for traffic to clear up a bit and tried to show me what he could do.

He did manage to swing by as I was about to hit 3rd gear as I had to abort due to a truck in front, but it was pretty impressive to see him and hear him fly by. Im only at 10psi with a light FC3S with a 60-1, no dyno, no slips. A tuned FD would kill it but still a nice car to run against.

BTW this is what they look like: http://www.bmwtuningmag.com/wp-conte...3_coupe-hr.jpg

You idiots are ridiculous. "If I have a lightened TII with 350whp I would totally take a new M3!" Who gives a shit, your car is still a piece of shit. The new M3 is one of the most technically advanced, badass production cars ever made. No one cares if your shitbox Mazda could beat one in a straight line once it is modded to hell.

Lol, and we finally get down to it. You know when someone lost an argument when they start calling things POSs. You can go buy a BMW now Mr BMW tech because you've got the right personality for it.

RX7 owners are no better than the BMW owners you seem to dislike. There have been hopped up Civics, Golfs, SRT4's, etc on this forum which have beat RX7. Yet, the RX7 owners say "It's still a Neon". As much as owners here would like to think, in the end they are no better than the others they claim to be elitist.

In the end, faster does not equal better.