I killed a Z06!!!!
 

:Kill1:

Ok, so im driving to school and is see an older body style zo6, and we kinda do the race dance.

He kinda jumped forward, and then i pointed forward, he floored it and was going, so i put it in fourth and raped his ass into next week :)

all in a days fun.

http://i18.tinypic.com/4cawcjp.jpg

thats an LS-1 right? how much power are you at?
-Dustin.

id say anywhere from 345 to 400...

his ass is gonna be hurtin

Not a fan of LS1 swap, but it looks good. No air filter?

What do the Z06's come with? LS1 also?

If so, they are making near the same horsepower in a car that weighs a bit more. He was probably thinking.... wtf? hahah.

not much an ls1 swap fan either, but i will admit, thats one of the cleanest ive seen yet... props for a good job.

Wow finally a car that no one can call "BULLSHIT!!" to it beating a Z06. Very clean swap! Do you run a ram air intake? Most cars I see with an LS1 swap have an intake elbow angled to the side.

C5 z06 has an ls6 engine.

Misinformation Misinformation!!!! Lol.

Hello again, your resident Z06 driver here. Time to straighten a couple things out, and add my two cents.

The 2001 Z06 had an LS1 in it. Pontiac Firebirds, and Camaros also had the LS1 (for the SS model and whatever the pontiac had, WS6 package I think.)

For the 2002-2005 Z06 you had your LS6. The LS1 in the '01 Z06 had 385 hp, and about the same torque wise. The LS6 pushed out 405 hp, and 395ft lbs or around there.

The weight difference is what won the race. (Note: not calling bullshit...just kinda stating the obvious) Your car with that swap is about 300 lbs or so lighter than a Z06 is, dry.

I want to call bullshit on the 400hp number, but since you havent listed what you put in the motor, I wont. I think youre probably more around 350, maybe pushing up to 360. From what I see you have 8.5mm Super Conductor MSD wires, and an underdrive pulley or two. You dont have the MSD coils (only 575 for all 8!!! Check westcoastcorvette.com, theyve got plenty of upgrades for you) or the FAST intake manifold, and I dont see anything that really jumps out at me that says "Power!!!!"

Id recommend you get a FAST ceramic intake, (30 hp, I dyno tested a camaro at school with and without one.) I would also recommend that you get the LS6 valvetrain, and forged internals. That could put you into the mid 400's, possibly into 475 range. At the same time, I also reccomend an H crossover, and 3" pipe all the way back.

Congrats on the kill, but dont let it go to your head. And quick question, what speeds were you at? Elaborate a little more in your kill next time maybe, also, did it have the 405hp badge on its fender, or just the one that says Z06? That right there will give you a better indication of what year it was.

i think u meant 2002-2004

Yeah, my bad. Hit the wrong number. There was no 05 Z06.

u sound like a real ass in that post pal. a stock twin car thats set up CORRECTLY could easily beat a z06. i beat a modded one with my stock twin stock engine fd. wake up.

i have a filter on it now... those were pics taken as soon as i finished... as far as the weight difference.. your right that is obvious. as for the ls6 bit it is an 02 motor doesnt mean its ls6 but it does have the block according to the casting, as well as the intake.

we also found a cts-v and toasted its cookies by about a couple cars starting at 25... because my rear end isnt too strong.

as for the z06 it was at about 45... i didnt get that close of a look at it.. i had some major traction issues...

it has 2.5 inch exhaust, everything you described, it has a cam at about .580 lift , from what ive heard the stock ignition is pretty stout up to 1000hp so ill be leaving it as is for now.. oh yeah a meizere electric water pump

i plan to go to the dyno when i have time...

I call major bullshit about your post.... a 2002 Z06 can run 12.5 stock.... the FD twin turbo cannot run 12.5 stock... according to stock 1/3 mile times it will run 13.5 under optimal conditions...


easily? i dont think so, replace that with never...... a z06 would toss your cookies... you might be able to hang with a stock corvette....

LOLOLOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

good one chief :rlaugh:

yeah, I gotta call bullshit on that as well. :Kill1:

I would still say to upgrade to the MSD coils, you can adjust the timing a little bit, and gives you the ability to fine tune your timing. At 45 he was probably in the right gear, cuz thats right out of first.

What I was saying about the LS1 and LS6 motor, was in reference to the vette. The LS1 is a solid motor regardless, but the LS6 had a different valvetrain.

The water pump was a good choice, as well as the cam. With all that in perspective, and its tuned, you might actually be on 370-380, or possibly 390-400. Sounds like a nice little set up you have there.

If you were closer, Id run you to see how quick it is in person.

Props for the good build!

As for stock twins beating a vette, I think there are a very select few people on this forum that have built up stock twins to the point where they actually beat a Z06, but I dont remember where they posted about it.

The 01 Z06 used an LS6.

I said this because I HAVE a stock twin FD that beat a Z06 and everyone called bullshit when I posted a thread in the kills section. I was merely stating that his engine being from the Corvette family does not allow haters to jump on the bullshit bandwagon.

i dont think the z06 knew you were racing him ^ lol

On the contrary he tried to race me several times before I gave in. Keep in mind my car is NOT stock, just stock twins =)

A FD with stock twins can easily beat a stock Z06 "IF" it is set up properly. An FD only needs about 300 rwhp to run even with a 405 (engine) hp Z06. There are plenty of people with stock twins running well over 300 rwhp.

Anyone thinking otherwise is misinformed, or just plain stupid.

I have raced a 298 rwhp FD, and a stock 02 Z06. They both beat me. The FD was faster than the Z06.

C5 ZO6s are pretty quick. It's the C6 ZO6s that are venomous. I also posted one of my C6 ZO6 pulls on here & a bunch of rotary neophytes called, "BS".....there's always some misinformed guys in every car forum (although it has become "endemic" on this site likely due to the low cost of entry since the FD hasn't been sold here in the US for more than a decade). Such is life ;) .

-Matt

endemic!

on 7 psi I stayed right on the ass of a c5 z, he couldnt pull me and he was modded. I cant imagine what would of happened on 14psi with a tune.

New Rule... From now on anytime a Z06 is mentioned, the year of the vette mentioned must be clearly stated to prevent WWIII from happening in the kills section. Obviously there is a BIG difference between the C6 Z06 and previous models.
That being said though, an FD that is still on the twins can definitely beat an older model Z06 in a roll race

k, I thought he meant that his fd was stock. stock twins, I could see it, but I was calling bullshit on beating him with a completely stock rx-7.

It can also pull a C6 ZO6 (a properly tuned ~370 rwhp+ stock twin car). I've done it (3 times in 1 night in fact with my 405 rwhp CYM ;) ). It's just not a big deal - just another fast car (which can also be modded to spank my modded FD).

-Matt

psshhhh..... my 90whp ae86 can take out a z06 any day! :op:

Sideways, too. :rlaugh:

No. It didnt. Trust me when I say this, because I drive one. It has the LS1. The reason that it has the LS1, is because they had not yet perfected the LS6 valvetrain (which is really the only difference between the LS1 and LS6) and wanted to release it on time. This is why they have two different badges for the C5 Z06. The 2001 badge says Z06 only. The 2002-2004 Z06 badge says Z06 405 hp.

As for the explain more about the Z06 in the kill I say +Eleventy. There is a difference between 01, 02-04, and 06+ Z06's It was stated that this was a C5, but still leaves a fair amount to be determined.

But also, Id like to say, that even though I drive a 2001 Z06, I acknowledge what other cars (properly tuned) can do. There is always someone with more money, that is willing to spend it to make their car faster. Like I am currently doing with my FC, it can become a money pit, and making it faster/handle better is all that matters.

I give props to the things out there that are well tuned, and properly built. In the races that I have lost (few, yes, but it has happened) I always gave thumbs up to the guy that beat me when I caught back up to him.

Oh, and YellowR1, hows that SLK handle with just under 600 ponies?

I'm like you - give props to someone that pulls me....they are just cars (toys). :)

The SLK handles very well (still weighs the same as stock....3,400 lbs). It drives much differently than our RX-7 (512 rwtq @ 2,000 rpm) so it just GOES if it feels any peddle pressure. Here is a write up on the car if you are bored. Here is a link to a local Mercedes meet last Summer (the red SLK is the pic of the wife's Kleemann). Have a good weekend Gang. http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/...n_slk55ks8.asp

http://www.treynor.com/Carlab/

-Matt

I call for a vote of no confidence in the original poster.. ls1 beating another chevy piston banger isnt the same as a rotary doing it....thread topic misleading =/

ok, from now on please specify the z06 your are talking about. when you say z06, i assume you are talking about the fast one. i find it very hard to believe an fd with stock twins can beat a 500hp v8

huh....didn't even know you could get 370rwhp out of stock twins...:scratch:

Yes, there are a few of us on this Forum that have 400 rwhp+ on stock twins.

-Matt

yeah i come on internet to lie. it makes me feel better about myself. u people are too much.

btw anyone who uses the word chief when addressing someone is a real fucking asshole in my book.

your reading comprehension sucks.

you are a complete idiot. change your username to Automotive Noob, or Fact Noob.
The 2001 z06 has a LS6 motor.

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/...06/ls1ls6.html

In 2002 it got 405 hp rating because the cam went to a higher lift of .550.

MSD coils are not needed until you are about 600 hp. My friend, and many use the stock coils for low 10's. stock bottom end over 500 rwhp going 10.4:
http://www.ls1tech.com/usa/showthread.php?t=693989
And what the heck are you talking about with "fine tune your timing"? You change your timing via LS1edit or HPTuners (or a few other tuning software programs).

Dude, you really should get the facts about your car straight. Whoever told you, be it your mechanic or dad, that the 01s had an LS1, is wrong. The 2001 Z06 marked the first year of the LS6, and had a different block with larger apertures at the cylinder bottoms, along with the upgraded valvetrain. The later LS1s eventually used the LS6 block.

I had an 02 Z06 in my garage for about a year, as a friend left it with me, and I got a lof of time at the wheel, and I can tell you that my stock twins car at 14psi would walk it pretty well (about 4 cars by 120 mph). Even my old FD, running M2's old stage 3 package at only 13psi would stay even with an 03 with Halltech intake and Borla stingers (and, granted, a fat passenger)

Thank you.

just to inform some others, the fastest STOCK C5 z06's are at 11.8:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1549325

with cold air intake and DR's, 11.5.
FYI that is with awesome driver, good track, weather and all that.

its ok, i think i know what happened. you raced a base c5 vette, told yourself it was a z06, and felt totally cool. just like when you beat that neon and pretended it was an srt4. it ok, a lot of people are insecure and delerious :op:

it was modded and it was my friends. i drive it all the time. i have seen it run at etown several times.

was he asleep?
so your telling me, a stock fd, that runs high 13's, beat a modded z06, which at the very least runs high 12's-low 13's STOCK, plus mods?
mmhmmm
either your a very good driver, or full of shit. i'll go with the later :)

First off, lemme say that I think its freakin great that everything that I was told/read at the Bowling Green, KY 'Vette museum is now being said to be wrong. Yeah, anyways.

Did I ever say anything that I suggested was "needed" right away? No. I only suggested them. The better parts you have, the more efficiently you run, the closer the tolerances are etc.

Since your PCM controls your spark timing, and coils, and your coils control spark, you will get a more efficient, higher output spark, from a better coil. This will have a much closer tolerance than stock, and is thus better than stock.

And Aristo, im not arguing that the Z06 Vette can or cant be beat, I know that its possible already.

Just to be an ass though, why would you use LS1 edit on an LS6? Wouldnt it then be called LS6 edit???????!!!111!!1!1111! *ahem* Im done being an ass. And I WAS joking, just to make that clear.

I remember the time I beat a Z06 in a 80 - 175 mph run....I'd have raped him but my auto tranny ECU shut down my torque converter, must have because I was only running on one rotor with a busted turbo. Or maybe it was because I'd popped a spark plug out of the leading position when I'd cross-threaded it.
But shit man....I was hanging with him real good!

umm...i said my car was stock twins stock motor....its makes 360 rwhp at 15psi.

Coils don't control spark, they just make it. MSD coils are a waste of money on a bolt-ons or H/C car. 2001 z06s had an ls6.

Can I have your z06?

so did you beat him or not? in a near stock automatic?

I find this story extremely hard to believe...a Z06 would smash a nearly stock FD from a high speed roll