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Snrub 01-12-07 10:30 AM

Perhaps the air restrictor would have been too small for a turbo 3 rotor or a n/a 4 rotor to make it worthwhile. Surely they don't count a 3-rotor as having the same potential as a 2.0L 4-cyl.

I believe the Porsche runs more power on the shorter races and less power on the long ones. (...actually probably everyone does)

Other than cooling a 3-rotor should be able to produce power in the 500hp range. Take the R26B @ 700hp x 3/4 = 525hp. I don't know that the variable trumpets are allowed in the current regs, but surely technology has improved since the early 90s...

Turbo II 01-12-07 11:33 AM

More of the same- released yesterday.

http://mazdanews.com/node/view/399

RussTypeS 01-13-07 01:18 PM

I don't really understand what part Mazda has in all this? AER is building the motor, Lola the chassis. What exactly is Mazda doing? Putting stickers on the airbox?

I am stoked to see my boy Ben Devlin get the seat, it's about time he gets a decent ride.

Mindspin311 01-13-07 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by RussTypeS
I don't really understand what part Mazda has in all this? AER is building the motor, Lola the chassis. What exactly is Mazda doing? Putting stickers on the airbox?

I am stoked to see my boy Ben Devlin get the seat, it's about time he gets a decent ride.

They are working alongside AER, and Im sure that the MZR-R that they come up with is going to have alot of similar traits that the regular MZR motor has. Not to mention AER doesnt make a direct injection motor, therefore they dont have the cylinder head designed for it, so my guess is that Mazda is helping alot with that.

Mindspin311 01-13-07 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by Snrub
Perhaps the air restrictor would have been too small for a turbo 3 rotor or a n/a 4 rotor to make it worthwhile. Surely they don't count a 3-rotor as having the same potential as a 2.0L 4-cyl.

I believe the Porsche runs more power on the shorter races and less power on the long ones. (...actually probably everyone does)

Other than cooling a 3-rotor should be able to produce power in the 500hp range. Take the R26B @ 700hp x 3/4 = 525hp. I don't know that the variable trumpets are allowed in the current regs, but surely technology has improved since the early 90s...

Technology has increased, but so have the restrictions and rules. After the 787B won, alot of rules were modified that didnt allow the rotary to be as competitive.

Mindspin311 01-13-07 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by Mahjik
I thought the Spyder Evo was going to be 503 HP (I'm mentioning it as you said the HP would be down about 27)? If so, and Mazda can get 500 out of their new engine, that would match them up pretty well (and even better if they can get the estimated torque numbers).

Yea my mistake, for some reason I thought it was at 527hp, but it is at 503bhp

RussTypeS 01-15-07 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by Mindspin311
They are working alongside AER, and Im sure that the MZR-R that they come up with is going to have alot of similar traits that the regular MZR motor has. Not to mention AER doesnt make a direct injection motor, therefore they dont have the cylinder head designed for it, so my guess is that Mazda is helping alot with that.

taken from dsc....


Mike Lancaster of AER was delighted to be able to talk about the new Mazda MZR-R engine at last. Oliver Allan referred to the engine as “half of the V8”, rather than a relation of the company’s four cylinder engine which has been around since 2001.
I think the only thing Mazda is bringing to the table is $$.

Mindspin311 01-15-07 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by RussTypeS
taken from dsc....



I think the only thing Mazda is bringing to the table is $$.

Oh, well nevermind then.

rotarygod 01-16-07 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by Mindspin311
Not to mention AER doesnt make a direct injection motor, therefore they dont have the cylinder head designed for it

Yes they do. Sort of. They designed the heads in their P32 V8 engine around direct injection but have never actually put it into use as strange as that is. They don't have experience racing one.

http://www.mulsannescorner.com/aerturbolmp1v8.html

Mindspin311 01-16-07 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by rotarygod
Yes they do. Sort of. They designed the heads in their P32 V8 engine around direct injection but have never actually put it into use as strange as that is. They don't have experience racing one.

http://www.mulsannescorner.com/aerturbolmp1v8.html

Eh, I was close enough.

It looks like AMR wont be returning to GT1, so I guess Ill be concentrating all my cheering on the Mazda and Ferraris in GT2

ITS_Rx-7 01-22-07 06:39 PM

not to burst anyones bubble but....even if mazda did build some crazy car they still wont be able to touch the pureness of penske porsche.....think about it those are the best names in racing.......porsche power and penske technology........they need to have the RS Spyder in P1 and not P2

Mindspin311 01-22-07 07:10 PM

Well, given the fact that Lola is a world class chassis builder whose chassis have won numerous championships, I believe they have the platform to be competitive. Add in the fact that the 2.0L from AER is supposed to have as much HP and more TQ than the Porsche, I dont see why it cant be competitive. It will be able to achieve higher corner exit speeds and be able to move through traffic much easier than the RS Spyder.

DamonB 01-23-07 10:25 AM

^ The "car" is only a very small piece of the puzzle that creates a winning racing team.

Mindspin311 01-23-07 03:09 PM

Right, but the Courage was a very large reason why the team wasnt competitive.

DamonB 01-23-07 07:51 PM

^ Courage has been pretty successful as of late, especially at Le Mans.

Mindspin311 01-23-07 07:58 PM

I meant the car as a whole, the NA 20B Courage car wasnt very competitive. They have some very good drivers.

ITS_Rx-7 01-25-07 09:21 PM

lets just see how the 4 mazda Rx-8 do this weekend in daytona.......my guess the goldin bros Rx-8 wont finsh the race (mechanical) and the 2 speedsource cars will do well if they dont break like they did last year and the last car well dont know whos running the 4th car but we will see wht happens

hyperion 01-25-07 09:51 PM

You'll enjoy this Top Gear video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR9Oa_yzXug

I agree--I really liked the uncontrolled aggression of Group B. Unfortunately long gone.

-ch


Originally Posted by eage8
I totally agree with you. I love watching old group B rally. I definitely understand why that got banned, but on a controlled track with spectators in the stands all these limitations are just ridiculous. and now we have V8s in F1? give me a break...

if you made that racing leage, I would race in it :)

or at least watch it with a pasion :p:

EDIT:

I love the ford RS200 :)

http://www.shorey.net/Auto/American/...%20Grundel.jpg


2-Rotor 02-03-07 10:56 AM

Here are some sites with info on the AER I4 that they are building.

www.racetechmag.com

www.highpowermedia.com

Seems pretty interesting however, i think all those years of research and development for the rotary engine in racing applications has gone to waste. I would much rather see Mazda withdraw from the series all together and come back with a rotary that runs off of alternative fuels (hydrogen or even straight ethanol).


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