Obviously you don't spend any of your own time or money driving or building racing cars. Maybe when faced with spending your own money on building the racecar you would realize it makes much more sense to spend money in building up the safety and the performance of the car. At that point maybe he doesn't have enough money left to pay for a paint job that impresses you or maybe he's still developing the car and sees no need to paint it yet. In the meantime he'll just keep kicking your ass if you bother to compete with him :bigthumb:

I'm sure the guy is smart enough to realize a paint job would be nice but he's probably also faced with the fact that he pays for all of this out of his own pocket so don't shoot him because his car doesn't meet your aesthetic standards :rolleyes:

Racecar drivers love to drive any butt ugly car as long as it wins.

Bwahaha, traces of insecurity abound in your posts. Get a grip and get some self esteem, man, racing is for fun, not for being seen in. Sounds more to me like you are one of those boys I see around town trying to look all cool with their car. Looks like you don't even own an FC yet, well maybe it's not the car for you, I mean who wants to drive a boat around. :rolleyes:

Whatever........ u obviously have no real racing experience, or are just a very insecure person.

Good luck! :bigthumb:

Yeah.

I don't own an FC.

Or two.

Nah.

--Gary

The only thing a shitty looking fast car says to me is "I don't know what a budget is."

You disagree? I don't have the money to own an RX-7 at all. How do I do it? I do all the work myself and carefully spend my money. It saves me enough money.

But the difference is, I could EASILY own a beat up POS '86 2nd gen. I think ANYONE could. They're dirt cheap and there are 100 of them in the local junkyard for parts!

But that's not what I WANT to own, and it's not what I PLANNED for. I PLANNED to get myself a great daily driver 2nd gen. And what am I building? A great daily driver!


Also, about "shooting him" for having a crappy looking car... smartass... there's a reason there are difference classes in autox... no matter how much money you dump into your little rotary you'll never be competing with certain cars... physics don't bend for the rotary.

And are you seriously so "INTO" racing that you don't care at all what your racecar looks like?

If so I'd say get a life! Any autoxer should know racing in ANY car is fun and challenging. There is no such thing as an "unskilled" racing class. From a mini to a miata to an elise... it's all racing. And hence, it might as well look good. There's no reason to "just barely" PUSH your car into an upper class when you COULD just use the same amount of money to have a NICE LOOKING and RELIABLE car that competes in a lower class. It's the basics of having an AWARD WINNING race team... you NEVER push the limits financially or mechanically. You ALWAYS leave room.

And I'm not directing this to the guy who owns that 7, for all I know that's his twentieth side project and he doesn't give a crap about it... in which case, I'm just saying he sucks for not being more into his 7. ;)

--Gary

Lemme guess... you're running street tires?

How exactly would your tires perform better on the track than racing tires, exactly?

His car is faster than yours... that's all that matters.

He obviously understands what you said above. He is having fun and being challenged.

As the first responder posted. "Form Follows Function".

Bottom line is this - The class he is running in allows for a wider track and slicks. The class he is running in does not require the fenders to cover the contact patches. He has built the best he can within the rules. He has no reason to add the weight and cost of a wide set of fenders - They will not make him any quicker.

The fact that you do not think it looks good does not slow him down either.

-billy

For those 10 seconds or less at least. ;)

I hope his manifold is bolted on tight, with tires like that it might fall off mid AutoX!

Gary, you obviously have a very warped view of what real racing is like. Real racecars could never function as daily drivers. They run on the ragged edge to gain every last performance potential out of them. And while some auto-x cars can double as daily drivers, it doesn't mean that they ALL can or should. Prepared cars (like the one you posted a pic of) are someone's AMATEUR engineering project. Nobody sponsors them ... nobody gives them free stuff. Everything comes out of their own pockets. While a new paint job may give the car a nice look, it won't shave any time off their fastest run.


All racers are interested in one thing .... winning. Whatever it takes. Thought never occured to you, Gary, did it? :rolleyes:


Again, you obviously do not have a realistic grasp of what auto-x (or racing in general) is. Auto-x is amateur racing. Nobody gets paid. Nobody gets endorsements. The best you can hope for is a couple of free sets of tires. People stretch their budgets just so that they can race. Even professional race teams have to stretch their budgets financially and mechanically.

If looking good is what is more important to you, I suggest you find another hobby like car waxing competitions. That or get used to being slow and getting beat by guys who have a much better understanding of racecar engineering.

I'm done arguing this, you guys are now SEARCHING for things to argue with me about... trying to put words into MY posts that were never there. When the hell did I say a real racecar functions as a daily driver?

WHERE?

???

Let's see it!!



Actually THOSE are the guys we call "ASSHOLES" at autox because they could give a shit less about anyone else on the course they just want to win, not have a good time with clean enjoyable racing.

[QUOTE=redrotorR1]Thought never occured to you, Gary, did it? :rolleyes:

Then I suppose if you're one of those guys we're not gonna get along too well ANYWAY, so it'd be a waste of my time to argue online.

Another thing, BUDDY, just because I post my name at the end of my posts it doesn't mean I want you trying to refer to me by it in every paragraph. Since I don't know yours, BUDDY, I'll just call you BUDDY.

See, BUDDY, it kinda gets annoying when people use your name condescendingly online thinking it makes their argument sound better. If you're a police officer maybe I'll let it go on the excuse of "force of habit".

And there's not many people at autox that really care if you can make a mangled POS frame of a car go fast, it doesn't matter if you can't drive it. And if you can drive it, it doesn't matter if you're fast when you're so strapped for cash that break ing a non wear part means having to drop out of the entire season.

And if he can barely afford to run in FP class (or whatever class he's running those tires in...) then why doesn't he take those tires off and run in SM???

Someone ask him, I'm sure he has a good reason. (seriously)

I wasn't directing the stuff I said later at this guy, but APPLYING it to him...

I didn't say he HAD to get a paintjob. But have some respect for the car you're driving... don't leave it looking like a compact sport tuner magazine spray paint project gone 'right'.

--Gary

Maybe I can't count Gary, but he used your name twice.

Gary, remember...breathe...relax.

People sometimes take forums TOO seriously. This forum started as an opinion on how stupid a car looked...is it really relevent? Christ almighty, grow up.

I don't think anyone needs to search for things to argue with you about. Nobody here has the same opinion as you.

bob, maybe you go look into show cars than actual racing........

Bob_The_Normal, you are obviously in a different frame of mind than the average race driver. Throw away your Fast and Furious DVDs and come to a few races, we'll have you fixed in no time.


This is the 'Race Car Tech' section, not the 'Daily Driven Sportscar with Clean Paintjob doubling as a Weekend Race Car Tech' section. You can bring your girlfriend and your FD, and you might even impress a few people before the event, but the only thing printed in the race results will be how long it took you to get from the start to the finish.


Ride in a shiny car with Z-rated street tires. Then ride in a car with Hoosiers and a faded paintjob. Then tell me which car you'd rather be RACING in, not driving home. Because a good race car is NOT driving home, it's being trailered home. Even at relatively 'amateur' autocross events. Trust me, there are plenty of fun-loving people at the races who are serious about winning and very competitive. They are great to be around and not assholes at all. I don't know where you got some of your misconceptions from, but I'd like to prevent them from spreading.


I'm not trying to be an e-thug or hurt your feelings or anything like that. I just feel that your'e misrepresenting the community that I know and love, and I'd like to correct that. Come to California Speedway in Fontana, January 22-23 , I'll be happy to show your around. PM me if you want more info.

-s-

indeed, that is why some of us autocrossers with daily driver FC's have done the almighty LS1 V8 swap to get over 340hp and 350tq.... in our streetcars.... that are still wicked fast at autocrosses... on 15x10" wheels/tires that stick out. its allso worth mentioning that the rotary engine is wicked for autocross (when placed in a 1300 pound sprite or midget!), plus an FC can get down to 2100 pounds in some classes! find posts from 25BP for more on weight redution in a track only car.

hahahaaaa, you might own 1 or 2 FC's but you still come off like a 17yr old who wishes he had an FD or maybe a shiny new BMW... lol.