sorry, i wasn't jumping down your throat. i agree with you, were at a damned if you do damned if don't situation. the 13b is probably not strong enough to compete w/ these guys, but a 20b is just too cost prohibitive. problem is the richer guys have jumped to the supra and eventually the 350z/g35, so not only do you have to compete against their power but their pocketbook as well. you're seeing $200k+ supras out there campaigning in the street tire classes.

I know Ari is running a G force Transmission but which one
Is there a specific tranny that will only bolt on to the 13B???
I cant find anything on their website, is it clutchless??
I assume they are pretty expensive

when it comes to ROTARY it is very difficult for us to compete. Perfect example Jesus Padilla (KILO RACING) his 1st Gen 3 Rotor was ban because on the rules.

he runs the 4 speed. its the 101 tranny. gforce offers a bellhousing adapter. They can make all kinds of adapters too. mike (gforce) just made me a bellhousing adapter for my 2jz motor.
Greg

How much would a tranny like that run for???

I talked with him for quite awhile at the Nopi race @ MIR. He makes 580rwhp on turbo, but he picks up an ass load of torque when he spray's it. I tried to tell him to go to an auto like Demetrios used to run, but he said he didn't want to mess with anything he didn't know much about. The last Nopi event in Va, he lost in the finals to a friend of mine in a Supra. Ari ran a 10.0 to his 9.8. I told Ari he needed to swap his Haltech junk for an electromotive and he wouldn't have the ignition issue's he had at Va. He just laughed. I'll give him one thing, he's consistant as hell.

http://www.longshifters.com/ check it out. They have all the goodies.
and nomatter who you talk to on the phone they are cool and good to deal with and know there shit bc they are all the guys who are in the shop and work on the trannys ..parts ect.
Greg

there is no reason to run an auto really. Its a bit easier on driveline parts and doesnt shock the drivetrain when you launch the car but other than that there is no need.

?
sounds like a few great reasons for a drag car to me....

:rlaugh: :rlaugh: :rlaugh: :rlaugh: :rolleyes:

You must not race too much???

Whats Ari's biggest problem? You said yourself, he breaks driveline parts. The only time he breaks is launching. An auto fixes all those problems. So if his tune is right, he won't ever break. Not to mention an auto is more consistant and you'll run faster. He'll run high 8's all day with an auto. All problems solved!

(You said yourself, he breaks driveline parts. The only time he breaks is launching))

What kind of driveline parts is he breaking exactly?
From what I understand he is running a KAAZ LSD which is pretty much unbreakable or is it possible he has so much power that the KAAZ cannot keep up with all that hard launching?
I still give him alot of credit. He is still one of my favorites to watch racing.

Yes you can break the Kaaz and he's breaking output shafts as well.

So what kind of an auto can you put in a FC? Please elaborate.

FD, FC it doesn't matter..lol...you can run any tranny you want..... Demetrios used to run a Turbo 350 in his FD w/ a 6k stall.

The problem for ari is he wants to run in the turbo 6 cat and street tire class and you have to have a OEM tranny, im no expert but i cant think of a mazda tranny that would hold up!

Actually, not true. Aftermarket tranny is legal for Mazda's, jut not the Toyota's.

as i said other than what i mentioned there is no reason for it. And a gforce or liberty and any other good tranny WILL allow more power to the ground than an automatic. Just bc you tag along with DEE doesnt mean that you know about the best things out there for drag racing.. So rather than put an automatic in it i would change the rear end all together. But autos are a good for most people bc they dont know how to set a car up. The rearend might mean he has to add weight or do whatever to the car but it will be much more tunable than an independant rear suspension car.. But im sure you knew this already.
Greg

Here's Ari showing the V8 guys what's up :)

http://www.rx7s.com/tandrracing/movieclips/Ari_9.1.mpg

So he beat a stock V8, big deal. His car is definately fast but I dont think that video has much merrit other than seeing his car run.

The NHRA 2005 rulebooks states on page 36 under Sport RWD " Tranmissions must be from the same manufacturer, no crossbreeding, i.e. Mazda/Ford Toyota/GM, ect. prohibited. Aftermarket transmission prohibited." Please show me where it say "Aftermarket tranny is legal for Mazda's, jut not the Toyota's".

so is ari running the g-force or stock tranny.

NOPI, not HHRA.
And Greg, Again, Im only going on what I've experienced personally or have seen with my own eye's. An adapter plate is already produced for the Turbo 350 to mate up with the Mazda. Yes, the auto will rob some power, but you can't sit there and tell me that a manual is goin to be more consistant. Look at the outlaw and pro classes. Any of those running a manual?? Thought not. And a clutchless tranny would be even better yet.

NDRA turbo 6 cat rulebook 2005 "TRANSMISSION: Factory available OEM manual gearbox / with an H-Pattern shifter or factory automatic transmission. Modifications limited to what fits completely within stock transmission and bell housing. Automatic transmissions allowed." Still dont see where you are getting this from, point it out to me.


http://ndra.nopi.com/2005/ndra_rulebook.cfm

NDRA Streettire Class rulebook 2005 states "TRANSMISSION: Any transmission that is available as O.E.M. in a production car either import or domestic is allowed. No Clutch less, Liberty, Lenco, B.H.J. type transmissions allowed. NO sequential transmissions. Two and three speed automatic transmissions permitted."

http://ndra.nopi.com/2005/ndra_pro_rules.pdf