Ari Yallon
 

Dose anyone have an update on his cars times and new set up i looked on his site but its old

So nobody cares about tired old Ari

Yeah at least I care
Ari Yallon is one of the baddest and craziest rotary specialists out there, that sucks that he hasn't updated his website as far as his mods and future plans for the car.
I miss watching him race here in So-Cal.

this past nopi evebt he went 9.1 i think and 9.5 thats pretty quick so i was wonder if he has a new set up

Rotary is updating thier website with a newer racing section coming soon. It is being built from an inhouse website specialist at the moment (the same guy who redesigned their website). It will have newer updates on Aris car, my car and Ken's modified Rx-8. Keep an eye out for it soon!

No new setup. Just able to make more power. He is holding back on running full out too often because he is mytseriously cracking output shafts (not really sure the exact details about it), so he is being more conservative until the problem is solved. Breaking output shafts adds up after a while. :)

glad to see I'm not the only one breaking output shafts!!!!!! Go ARI!
Art

3 output shafts and counting

nice!! :)

Nice!!! :)

how much power is he making i heard some where around 550-600

A little higher then that from what i remember.

More than that but its not my place to say. I don't know if he wants people to know or not, BUT... I can tell you that its definitely more than 550-600. :)

Hes in the 700 with high 8s at his home track. Hes coming for the supra guys

i've got a turbo mag from '00 I belive that says he was making roughly 550whp, all turbo, and 650whp on the bottle.

Hint: Never believe what the magazines tell you, it's not allways true.

back then it probably was true. i'm sure he picked up a few hp in the past 5 years.

A few. :)

that's why i made sure to include the year of the mag, and the word roughly.

Can Ari use a 20b in the street tire class?

Nopi has 2 street divisions

the Pro street tire
and Turbo 6

Ari is doing very good
in Turbo 6 where rules are more fair
no aftermarket Trannys(like chevy automatics)

In the other street class
Its all supras (boring) few cars

Turbo 6 is the Hot Ticket
plenty on cars of diffrent makes and models
theres a jetta VR6 running 10.0

I hope to have my car running in Turbo 6
for the Tampa Nopi race :D even tho I'll get my ass kicked
it still would be fun to be in the Mix

No. Regulations won't allow it. But even if they did, I don't think Ari would do it, because it takes a lot more time and money, and Chris and Ari don't want to send out the message that "you need a three rotor to beat a Supra". Even though it would be fun ;).

Sorry have you been keeping up with the times that those six cylinders are doing? You do need a 20B to beat those sixes I hate to admit it but a 20B isn't even beating those sixes. http://ndra.nopi.com/eqraces/dsp_ere...0Street%20Tire hell look at the difference in times and in trap speed it's huge.

Yeah, I've seen the times that the supras are putting down. Matter of fact I've got my butt kicked by some of them and beat some of them. The only reason that the Supras are dominating the class is because the rules aren't even towards rotaries as compared to the higher horspower 6 cyl. Chris and Ari fought with the sancioning bodies years ago, but got no cooperation, and didn't want to send the message of needing a 20B to beat a six as a general rule to the public even though it may be necesary to beat those few extremely high horsepower cars. Most of the public wouldn't look at it that way. The only reason the trap speeds are so different (other than the difference in times) is because the way the cars launch. The Supra is not nearly as fast off the line, but makes up for it in top end, hence the higher mph. And the Rx7 is quicker off the line, but slower in top speed towards the traps which results in lower mph.
Ex: My car is running a 10.17@ 135mph. If it was a supra with the same time, the trap speed would be more near 150mph.

the rules are more than fair in sport rwd, we get a 900lb. weight break, what more do you want. regardless it's a sportsman class anyway, so the cars will have to stay close to their oem weight give or take a couple hundred pounds. the nhra has been more than fair to the non 6cyl cars by outlawing the gm transmissions that most of the sport rwd supras ran, effectively banning all but a couple of the supras. ari wouldn't even bother to come out this year had the nhra not banned all the quick supras.

First of all, Sport RWD is not the class I was referring to in the last thread. Before jumping down my throat, if you look the link that was given to me in the previous thread was the BFG Pro Street tire class, which is the class being that's mostly dominated by supras. Not to say a 2 rotor can't keep up with the competition. I thought about building a faster car to run in that class, but decided not to because of the expenses involved. I never said the rules weren't fair, and I not saying that it isn't possible. It's just that the expenses involved in building or running a 13B car to be competative with that much power is not so simple and cost effective to maintain and compete. But the last sentence you stated is absolutely true, thats the way that Ari works, if it costs the shop too much money to race with no reimbursement, theres not much of a logical reason to compete other than the fun of it.

We go to the NOPI races with Ari and he is running low 9's consistently. He is actually making LESS power than before in the 600 range but going faster. He ran a 9.1 a few weeks back in Phoenix or Maryland....

sorry, i wasn't jumping down your throat. i agree with you, were at a damned if you do damned if don't situation. the 13b is probably not strong enough to compete w/ these guys, but a 20b is just too cost prohibitive. problem is the richer guys have jumped to the supra and eventually the 350z/g35, so not only do you have to compete against their power but their pocketbook as well. you're seeing $200k+ supras out there campaigning in the street tire classes.

I know Ari is running a G force Transmission but which one
Is there a specific tranny that will only bolt on to the 13B???
I cant find anything on their website, is it clutchless??
I assume they are pretty expensive

when it comes to ROTARY it is very difficult for us to compete. Perfect example Jesus Padilla (KILO RACING) his 1st Gen 3 Rotor was ban because on the rules.

he runs the 4 speed. its the 101 tranny. gforce offers a bellhousing adapter. They can make all kinds of adapters too. mike (gforce) just made me a bellhousing adapter for my 2jz motor.
Greg

How much would a tranny like that run for???

I talked with him for quite awhile at the Nopi race @ MIR. He makes 580rwhp on turbo, but he picks up an ass load of torque when he spray's it. I tried to tell him to go to an auto like Demetrios used to run, but he said he didn't want to mess with anything he didn't know much about. The last Nopi event in Va, he lost in the finals to a friend of mine in a Supra. Ari ran a 10.0 to his 9.8. I told Ari he needed to swap his Haltech junk for an electromotive and he wouldn't have the ignition issue's he had at Va. He just laughed. I'll give him one thing, he's consistant as hell.

http://www.longshifters.com/ check it out. They have all the goodies.
and nomatter who you talk to on the phone they are cool and good to deal with and know there shit bc they are all the guys who are in the shop and work on the trannys ..parts ect.
Greg

there is no reason to run an auto really. Its a bit easier on driveline parts and doesnt shock the drivetrain when you launch the car but other than that there is no need.

?
sounds like a few great reasons for a drag car to me....

:rlaugh: :rlaugh: :rlaugh: :rlaugh: :rolleyes:

You must not race too much???

Whats Ari's biggest problem? You said yourself, he breaks driveline parts. The only time he breaks is launching. An auto fixes all those problems. So if his tune is right, he won't ever break. Not to mention an auto is more consistant and you'll run faster. He'll run high 8's all day with an auto. All problems solved!

(You said yourself, he breaks driveline parts. The only time he breaks is launching))

What kind of driveline parts is he breaking exactly?
From what I understand he is running a KAAZ LSD which is pretty much unbreakable or is it possible he has so much power that the KAAZ cannot keep up with all that hard launching?
I still give him alot of credit. He is still one of my favorites to watch racing.

Yes you can break the Kaaz and he's breaking output shafts as well.

So what kind of an auto can you put in a FC? Please elaborate.

FD, FC it doesn't matter..lol...you can run any tranny you want..... Demetrios used to run a Turbo 350 in his FD w/ a 6k stall.

The problem for ari is he wants to run in the turbo 6 cat and street tire class and you have to have a OEM tranny, im no expert but i cant think of a mazda tranny that would hold up!

Actually, not true. Aftermarket tranny is legal for Mazda's, jut not the Toyota's.

as i said other than what i mentioned there is no reason for it. And a gforce or liberty and any other good tranny WILL allow more power to the ground than an automatic. Just bc you tag along with DEE doesnt mean that you know about the best things out there for drag racing.. So rather than put an automatic in it i would change the rear end all together. But autos are a good for most people bc they dont know how to set a car up. The rearend might mean he has to add weight or do whatever to the car but it will be much more tunable than an independant rear suspension car.. But im sure you knew this already.
Greg

Here's Ari showing the V8 guys what's up :)

http://www.rx7s.com/tandrracing/movieclips/Ari_9.1.mpg

So he beat a stock V8, big deal. His car is definately fast but I dont think that video has much merrit other than seeing his car run.

The NHRA 2005 rulebooks states on page 36 under Sport RWD " Tranmissions must be from the same manufacturer, no crossbreeding, i.e. Mazda/Ford Toyota/GM, ect. prohibited. Aftermarket transmission prohibited." Please show me where it say "Aftermarket tranny is legal for Mazda's, jut not the Toyota's".

so is ari running the g-force or stock tranny.

NOPI, not HHRA.
And Greg, Again, Im only going on what I've experienced personally or have seen with my own eye's. An adapter plate is already produced for the Turbo 350 to mate up with the Mazda. Yes, the auto will rob some power, but you can't sit there and tell me that a manual is goin to be more consistant. Look at the outlaw and pro classes. Any of those running a manual?? Thought not. And a clutchless tranny would be even better yet.

NDRA turbo 6 cat rulebook 2005 "TRANSMISSION: Factory available OEM manual gearbox / with an H-Pattern shifter or factory automatic transmission. Modifications limited to what fits completely within stock transmission and bell housing. Automatic transmissions allowed." Still dont see where you are getting this from, point it out to me.


http://ndra.nopi.com/2005/ndra_rulebook.cfm

NDRA Streettire Class rulebook 2005 states "TRANSMISSION: Any transmission that is available as O.E.M. in a production car either import or domestic is allowed. No Clutch less, Liberty, Lenco, B.H.J. type transmissions allowed. NO sequential transmissions. Two and three speed automatic transmissions permitted."

http://ndra.nopi.com/2005/ndra_pro_rules.pdf