82-GSL meets 2.2 Diesel- project thus far
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I run most of my vehicles on veggie oil, so I figure why not take a car I love to drive and put in an engine to match i'll end up with efficiency and hopefully not loose all drive ability. With a whole 61hp 89ft/lbs stock the engine is a dog right now but with a new turbo injection pump from Perkins along with new injectors and an s4 turbo i'm hoping for a final output more around 100-120hp
Attachment 715886 1982 rx7- 2.2 IDI Perkins out of a 84 diesel b2200 pick up- only 86,000 miles were on the truck it came out of! Attachment 715887 mazda is awesome when it comes to transmissions this is the truck bell housing matching perfectly with a 12a trans rear half. Attachment 715888 Attachment 715889 3/8th steel exhaust plate Attachment 715890 s4 turbo with flanges made to soon mate it up to the diesel dropped in Attachment 715891 |
Intriguing idea, just wondering though, wouldn't the S4 turbo be too big for a 2.2 liter diesel. Considering the exhaust gases of a diesel are colder and slower moving then a regular gas/petrol engine of the same size.
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Originally Posted by Gryffinwings
(Post 10370295)
Intriguing idea, just wondering though, wouldn't the S4 turbo be too big for a 2.2 liter diesel. Considering the exhaust gases of a diesel are colder and slower moving then a regular gas/petrol engine of the same size.
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Originally Posted by 12arotary.
(Post 10370481)
it will spool it just fine, I had a 240d with a 300d turbo (same size as s4) and it spooled it just fine at 10psi its only .2l smaller
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Well that's certainly a different swap.
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Indeed it is different, but the hopeful power your wanting sounds low, I figure it might be a bit higher than that.
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I've been thinking about doing the twin turbo 2.0 diesel out of a euro-spec BMW 123d. 200hp and 300lb-ft. It's nice to see that someone else is doing a diesel swap. Cool project.
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Originally Posted by Gryffinwings
(Post 10370530)
Indeed it is different, but the hopeful power your wanting sounds low, I figure it might be a bit higher than that.
Originally Posted by whitey85mtu
(Post 10370556)
I've been thinking about doing the twin turbo 2.0 diesel out of a euro-spec BMW 123d. 200hp and 300lb-ft. It's nice to see that someone else is doing a diesel swap. Cool project.
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Originally Posted by 12arotary.
(Post 10371013)
squeezing power out of an IDI diesel is difficult I figure i'll set the bar to something I think I can accomplish haha
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where will you find one of these? I looked everywhere for engine options at one point I was looking into the Nissan RD28 or a Mazda RF engine but I couldn't find one on any jdm site for a reasonable price, |
Originally Posted by Gryffinwings
(Post 10371138)
What the chocking point in the engine? It can't be that hard, I figure you'd get some pretty good torque figures as well considering it's a diesel.
now once I get this all together and working I will be taking it apart and doing a full ring job honing and all new gaskets+reseat all the valves it should be up to 100-120 then (but ft/lbs more around 150) |
Originally Posted by 12arotary.
(Post 10371867)
what is the choking point? the difference between 300d NA and 300d turbo is 30hp at about 8psi and that is a huge change, I really think 100-120 is all that I will get max, my guess is it will actually be more like 85hp but I will dyno it to know.
now once I get this all together and working I will be taking it apart and doing a full ring job honing and all new gaskets+reseat all the valves it should be up to 100-120 then (but ft/lbs more around 150) |
Originally Posted by Gryffinwings
(Post 10372421)
What I mean about choke point is, what is hold the engine back from making horse power stock? is it the ports? the compression ratio? Valves?
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progress, engine is mounted in- not pretty but functional, I have the fuel cell to mount and hook up and the turbo manifold to design and build still but if fired up earlier today and moved under its own power!
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It looks like this engine uses mechanical fuel injection if I'm not mistaken. Any other planned modifications to the engine?
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Originally Posted by Gryffinwings
(Post 10381969)
It looks like this engine uses mechanical fuel injection if I'm not mistaken. Any other planned modifications to the engine?
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wow your down in dayton. cool little gig.
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Very very cool
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awesome, makes me want to hurry up and get to work on putting my sd22 from an 81 datsun pickup in the 76 710 wagon that i've got laying around...
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Originally Posted by gamble302
(Post 10388322)
awesome, makes me want to hurry up and get to work on putting my sd22 from an 81 datsun pickup in the 76 710 wagon that i've got laying around...
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Great swap man! Any updates? I was curious, you said Mazda is great with their transmissions? You're using the stock transmission with a different bellhousing? I am assuming stock rear end (GSL) ? If so, I am looking to swap a 302 into my GSL, is there any way I could get a bell housing to fit the 302 to the mazda trans. Where could I find something like that?
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Originally Posted by stofficer1226
(Post 10414486)
Great swap man! Any updates? I was curious, you said Mazda is great with their transmissions? You're using the stock transmission with a different bellhousing? I am assuming stock rear end (GSL) ? If so, I am looking to swap a 302 into my GSL, is there any way I could get a bell housing to fit the 302 to the mazda trans. Where could I find something like that?
Attachment 715896 with my new manifold flanges on I need to figure out how to make the turbo mani... this should end up interesting I still have yet to figure out where to mount it. i am having issues figuring out exactly how i can use the stock radiator and still fit an intercooler too, I might have to go with a vmount style with an fd rad |
Update! turbo manifold has been finished as well as the exhaust and fuel system, unfortunately though the hood will not close the engine is just too tall so i'm either just going to cut a hole to make it fit or build/find a cowl hood if they even sell those for fb's.. I'm really not a fan of being the guy driving around with the engine coming out of my hood.
pics to come in the next few days |
this is pretty cool. i cant wait to see it running.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQySJPEP0Rs
Running! couple week old video its almost road worthy now |
Cool swap, I've been debating on a swap like this. I want to put the 4bt cummins turbo diesel engine in an fd. I assume ill have the same problem with the height for the hood to close but luckily they make plenty of ways around that with the fd's and the 4bt makes a decent bit of HP and an Insanr amount of torque but ill need a new trans and rear to handle it, so should be a L costly but I got money saved up for it.
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Originally Posted by 12arotary.
(Post 10464423)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQySJPEP0Rs
Running! couple week old video its almost road worthy now
Originally Posted by fromtib27
(Post 10464503)
Cool swap, I've been debating on a swap like this. I want to put the 4bt cummins turbo diesel engine in an fd. I assume ill have the same problem with the height for the hood to close but luckily they make plenty of ways around that with the fd's and the 4bt makes a decent bit of HP and an Insanr amount of torque but ill need a new trans and rear to handle it, so should be a L costly but I got money saved up for it.
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Budget build surge tank using Pvc a pvc float and a mercury switch on a lever to maintain half full (1 liter) its the best way i've found to be able to switch back and forth from veggie oil to diesel without wearing out the veggie pump or clogging the filter because its only running when the surge tank is low instead of non-stop |
Originally Posted by stofficer1226
(Post 10414486)
Great swap man! Any updates? I was curious, you said Mazda is great with their transmissions? You're using the stock transmission with a different bellhousing? I am assuming stock rear end (GSL) ? If so, I am looking to swap a 302 into my GSL, is there any way I could get a bell housing to fit the 302 to the mazda trans. Where could I find something like that?
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now with boost |
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...y/SAM_0943.jpg
just waiting on more IC pipe and glow plugs then i should have it on the road |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSiqPDJIc4E
I know, its not the most interesting swap as most people don't swap to a lower power motor but its getting 47mpg- I still have the 3.90 rear which puts the rpm's much higher than they need to be, i'll be swapping over to a mustang 8.8 with 3.27 soon. hopefully that will put me over 50mpg on the highway |
I think this is an awesome idea. I don't know too much about that particular engine, but I would rock an efficient 1st gen as a DD if I could. I give you props for doing something original and economical.
How many miles have you put on the swap? Are you choosing the 8.8 rear just for the gearing availability? If you aren't building for power, that just seems like a lot of excess drive train weight, money, and work for 3 mpg, to me. Have you looked at other lighter options? Keep up the good work! |
Originally Posted by aws140
(Post 10653727)
I think this is an awesome idea. I don't know too much about that particular engine, but I would rock an efficient 1st gen as a DD if I could. I give you props for doing something original and economical.
How many miles have you put on the swap? Are you choosing the 8.8 rear just for the gearing availability? If you aren't building for power, that just seems like a lot of excess drive train weight, money, and work for 3 mpg, to me. Have you looked at other lighter options? Keep up the good work! my original goal was 100hp 150 ft/lbs and i don't think i'll ever go more than that so it doesn't need to be a beefy rear |
I'm usually a purist. But, this is a great swap. Really neat stuff.
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it must be amazing to get 50mpg in a car you absolutely love to drive.
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Very nice and quiet, not what I was expecting. :)
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Originally Posted by MK3Brent
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Very nice and quiet, not what I was expecting. :)
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Oh for god sakes if no body will bite I will!
. . . . . . So................. is it, fast?........................or faster?' . . No, it doesn't even matter, its such a cool swap . Seriously though, the concept of a diesel sports car makes me very tingly, finally some one to stand up to all those big turbo tdi Jettas and Golfs. |
Hmmm... now that I have seen a b2200 turbo'd I think it would be an excellent swap into a 86-92 b-series extra cab for a daily driver and prob not lose any power since the b-2000 was only 80 hp brand new. Thankyou for giving me an idea for my next project if I ever get caught up with everything else.
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Originally Posted by aa35199
(Post 10664882)
Oh for god sakes if no body will bite I will!
So................. is it, fast?........................or faster?' No, it doesn't even matter, its such a cool swap . Seriously though, the concept of a diesel sports car makes me very tingly, finally some one to stand up to all those big turbo tdi Jettas and Golfs. when compared to the stock 12a it came with its faster, at least it feels that way, the way its driven really is a huge difference from the rotary as it pulls much harder at low rpm's. i'm a member of a biodiesel co-op here and i'm the only member who drives something other than a Mercedes or VW so its going to be nice rubbing rwd in their faces, rwd that isn't 4200lbs :lol:
Originally Posted by 2GSLSE
(Post 10664953)
Hmmm... now that I have seen a b2200 turbo'd I think it would be an excellent swap into a 86-92 b-series extra cab for a daily driver and prob not lose any power since the b-2000 was only 80 hp brand new. Thankyou for giving me an idea for my next project if I ever get caught up with everything else.
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Awesome swap!
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If you can find a b2200 diesel go for it! I now own two of this engine and both have yet to give me any issues. Perkins made a quality engine that accepted boost amazingly, and feels like it probably should have come this way from the factory, even with an inter-cooler their is hardly any lag. my next projects on it are a getting a tach and modifying the injection pump for boost fuel enrichment which from what i've read on the mazda truck forums seems like its pretty easy- I should have this thing out and touring the country by the end of summer![/QUOTE]
Finding the truck isn't the problem there is one sitting at my dad's garage with a bad 5th gear (IIRC) and a rusty body. I have a S5 rx7 turbo laying here in my shop now all I need is something to use it in but I will be watching this thread for any info or links to anything usefull to the diesel. |
wow sounds very nice when running, wouldnt expect it to be a diesel
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FYI I read the ring and pinion from a diesel mazda b series pickup may bolt into a stock fb rear, perhaps other forum member could confirm this or let me know I'm mistaken. I read this on a v8 rx7 swap related website a while ago.
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Originally Posted by aa35199
(Post 10667855)
FYI I read the ring and pinion from a diesel mazda b series pickup may bolt into a stock fb rear, perhaps other forum member could confirm this or let me know I'm mistaken. I read this on a v8 rx7 swap related website a while ago.
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Originally Posted by 12arotary.
(Post 10668143)
why would you want to swap that in? the rear in my 84 b2200 diesel is a 4.10 and the one in my fb is a 3.9, so i guess if I wanted the top speed to be 65 :lol: I've actually been thinking about sticking the gsl rear in my truck when i swap it out because the trucks final drive is so shitty on the highway
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This project has spent a lot of time in the garage but here it is up and running.
Attachment 649300 I lowered the engine 4 inches and changed the mounts to proper rubber. Attachment 649301 the hood closes now. Attachment 649302 Attachment 649303 |
Nice!
Super late response, but members have ran the Toyota 8" rear end with success. Not sure of the gearing options, but it's a eight savings over an 8.8 and a proven rear end. Will you be DDing this anytime soon? Love the hood art. |
Originally Posted by dbragg
(Post 11713397)
Nice!
Super late response, but members have ran the Toyota 8" rear end with success. Not sure of the gearing options, but it's a eight savings over an 8.8 and a proven rear end. Will you be DDing this anytime soon? Love the hood art. the toyota rears I've looked at were 4.10 to 4.55, the b2200 had a 4.4 rear so the 3.90 in my car isn't that bad. The top speed in the b2200 was 80-82 and the rx7 will do slightly over 90 (theoretically of course) I've been driving it around every weekend and working out the kinks before I can DD it, gets upper 30's all city driving so not bad. Easily the lowest power swap ever. |
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