"The" 2jz FD rx7 swap build. yay...
 

wasup guys, Names Joey. college student in NC. part time worker, (keeping all the queen city's cars clean.) well any who, so yea i sold my RB25 top mount s14 witch i miss dearly!!!! and put the money in the bank. Looking around for random shit, i happen to come across this 100% clean rust free 93 rx7. cool right? so i picked up it.

now i WISH i had a pick of this car when i bought it. lets just say, when i washed it, it was the first time in 5 years LOL.

cleaned it up and BAM. this came out

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excuse the poor quality, at the time all i had was my shitty phone. new pics will be up later....

so i was uber exicted to do the "typical" ls1 swap since the car was a roller. :hint: sitting for 5 years.

well looking looking looking....... NO DEALS. fuck it. ... look everyday, no deals. no deals. no freaking deals. nothing even close to a deal

well somehow i randomly came across this 2jz, and yea i bought it. NOT knowing how in the world i was going to put it in. or ANYTHING. i bought it, i didn't give a shit lol. it was a 2jz...no shit.

well here are some pics of the motor out of the car i bought it from. NOT MY CAR IN THE PICS.

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a good compression, kept, clean 2jz with r154 tranny +1jz bell housing. SCORE!!!!!!! fuuuuuuckkkkaaaaa lllllllsssss1111 !

so yea... meet a guy. seems 100% legit. super nice guy. knows his shit. ( cool rap bro )


well he worked some magic and after some work ( few days ) we got this...

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I WANT! So freaking bad. I am jealous.

i'll keep that in mind :gwink:

What was the guys name who you bought the 2j from? I think I might know him.. did he have an RB25 240?

^^ nope, this guy had a cressida and lived in South Carolina. I'm going to the shop today to look at it and take more pics hopefully! im just so excited get it running..

If anyone is reading this, please give me your honest answer. I posted this up on another forum and one guy literally said, " cool, but ls1 would have been better."

I told him this swap would be better than an ls1 by FAR. i mean granted the ls1 is probably lighter, but is no where near as strong as a 2jz..will never make the power that a 2jz can make, and ls1 is so freaking typical these days.

i figured the car's "value" would be considerably higher with a 2jz than if it "would be" with a stock ls1.

what do you think guys???

100% cooler. and i think definitely worth more in the end. and im not just saying that because im doin the same swap. if u want to check it out its probably a couple below urs, its the 93 wide body.
as far a power goes stock motor vs stock motor, i believe the 2j can handle more power, but im sure someone will jump in and flame me for saying that. i have heard the 2j stock is good for about 800, but take that for nothing but hearsay because i have never seen it in person. as for the ls1 i didnt put it in my car because the exact reason u just stated...its typical...
other things that will happen when u put a 2j in a 7 is u compromise handling a bit. the car now becomes front heavy, not by much, but you can counteract it by putting the battery in the rear and couple other things here and there. i haven't gotten my car on a scale yet so i don't know where it is exactly. hope this in helps ya out. good luck with your build i already like what i see. but hook this thread up with some better pics, lets see some details.

Nice project. Wont be as fun as a rotary on the top end but a hell of a mid range.

If you want to give back to the forum write as much as you can on how to do the swap, issues, and wiring.

Nice find! I strongly considered a 2JZ swap but sence I'm not shooting for super high HP and I wanted to keep things more simple and cooler I went for the "typical" LS option. Get some better pics up asap.

yeah i will...i got off work today too late, so im grabbing the girls camera and taking good pics in the am. should be up thrusday or so. but i have some to post tonight! i have pics of the custom subframe and actually my mounts were made with an adjustable bolt. so i can actually lower and raise the motor ( i'll have pics too)

only thing that i do not like so far is that the subframe was made to clear the hood with ease. and the 2jz is a very very tall motor. so as of now on stock springs the motor is very low to the ground. if i go coilovers, im not going to lower it more than what it is now. All i will do is up the spring rate and dampening. i "might" also be doing custom tie rod ends since we moved the rack about 2-3" (max) forword. with this we are testing the bump steer as well

but i will say this, my stock hood clears and clears it nicely!!! true sleeper!

wiring is being done asap when the car leaves the shop.

~next is tie rods, driveshaft, radiator/hoses. and shifter extension. then it should be leaving.

Thanks for all the kind words i PROMISE TO GET better pics!! :nod:

Joey I hate you!

this is real nice, im in the midst of the same swap and i think maybe your pics may help me on mine like how the FMIC is mounted to the car and mounting the Radiator, and wiring even if possible cant wait for pics. i am going the same route as you man

ok guys...ive been a little late on this..but here we go...

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im still wondering what i want to do with the wiring... my friend which i do believe can do it..will cut me a KILLER deal..or go buy the tech 2 motorsports..which will end up being like 900-$1000... :(:icon_tdow:icon_tdow

idk..i DO NEED coilovers..and im talking like 12kg springs up front..if you notice the exterior pics.. the front looks as if it has drop srings on it..NO they are stock springs and struts completely bottomed out!!! the steering rack location has been shifted forward and is getting custom tie rods made with modifed steering knuckles for more turning. bump steer is also going to be corrected. i'll keep all this updated as it happens..

as of now, the turbo is at another shop getting rebuilt. im needing to order a radiator.
~driveshaft needs to be done
~ clutch line and power steering line are going to be made
~ exhaust connected to my already 4" downpipe
~ gauge pods and gauges needing install
~ fuel tank needs to be installed with ( about to order ) 255 pump
~ install my aeromotive 1:1 regulator
~ install fans + shroud after radiator is bought.

and little stuff here and there..yea its a ton to do this swap guys.. :( its way more than a ls1, i'll say that. for the fact so much shit has to be made that you CAN NOT just buy.

but hope you enjoy. any questions, comments, ask/say away. but please if you have something shitty to say, PM about it, dont trash my thread. thanks!

More pics of the subframe please. It's kinda hard to tell how the engine is supported.

here you go some more.

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The build looks pretty good so far, but if I could make just one suggestion, it would be to reinforce the tube from the motor mount to the subframe. It is currently acting as a large moment arm and is creating a good deal of force on those welds. If I were you, I would add some additional bracing. Perhaps some another tube from the mount to the LCA boxes of the subframe.

+1

Took the words right out of my mouth.

^^ yea thanks guys, i'll deff tell my Fab guy to do that! thanks.

No problem. I'm just trying to look out for a fellow 2JZ FD builder :).

talked to the fab guy..he was actually already concerned about load there..and he is bracing it. i gave him to "ok"


my rebuilt turbo should be ready around wednesday. Also i just ordered my Radiator! when these come in..things will be moving..

also hopefully this coming week my custom torque arm and diff brace will be here. i'll deff get pics of that!

I went and picked up the old FD tranny from this car. Pretty impressive work. Clean install with amazingly low mounting. Seriously making me rethink my track car powerplant since the fabricator will be somewhat familiar with the issues.

hopefully we will see it rolling soon in Charlotte.
Thanks for the trans man. It is in my car and finishing up the install and testing it tomorrow. will let you know.

Dave

ahhh i hate waiting for parts...that delay my build.

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very good choice in engine selection :-)

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ok guys finally have some new pics up... showing tranny brace, shifter installed. and my diff torque are .


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hey joey, I'm sorry our deal didn't work out but I'm glad to see you got yourself an FD. When you get that thing done you should come up to do some sliding in the NE, maybe by then I will be good enough to do some tandem with you

It's nice to see this project is moving along. I'm a little nervous about the mounts though.

1. The holes you bolted your tranny mount to arent the strongest and have been known to get ripped out (at least in V8 FDs). Also is your tranny gonna be mounted solid without a bushing? (hard to tell by the pick) If so I imagine you will fells some vibrations through your chassis.

2. Again the holes that mount your brace to the chassis are not the strongest and using those nuts as spacers is not helping.

You could probaly get away witht he tranny mount but I would consider redesigning the diff mount or go with a proven setup like the Samberg brace.

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oh its fine Max. things happen for a reason and from what i've heard the s14 is now giving the guy some problems? but granted he really wasn't prepared to have such a car on his hands i don't believe. probably something small. Would i drift with you? HELL YES! but first is getting this car to run lol. im "hoping" it will fire up before school starts on the 16th..but i highly doubt it.

PS..my srt4 is giving me problems. the fuel pump and wideband sensor both decided to crap out on me in the same day...so actually im car less right now. :(

and project D i can see what you are saying, we are going to just give this a Go and see what happens ! im not going to track nor drive the car hard at all. clutch kicks are not in this car's future.

lol and yes as of now there are NO bushings. There will be some when everything is finalized! especially considering this is a purpose built street car.

PS: i just bought my AC condenser last week so yep ;) you guessed it! going to use the FD's condenser and lines but weld AN fittings to the ends to make plumbing easy.

Hopefully the car will be coming home next week. Sending out my wiring harness out this week as well to get done!! also my 255 fuel pump just came in along with my clutch master cylinder rebuild kit! so much to do!

As ProjectD said about the trans mount to the chassis is not a safe point at all....I went through and welded the seam solid around those mounts and instead of ripping them out i've cracked out the mounting holes....this is on a street car as well. (stock ls1)

You guys do know there are two types of 2JZ's right? They both came in the MKIV supra (93-98), but only the twin turbo models came with the 2JZ GTE with the 6speed gertrag tranny. (I notice fast and furious was quoted a few times haha, one of the many errors in the movie is the "2jz no shit" quote, it was obviously going to have the 2jz engine, all MKIV supras do, if he had said 2jz-GTE then it would have made sense)

I'm guessing this is not the GTE version, as it would most likely have the 6speed bolted to it and not the one mentioned. Idk why the previous owner would have downgraded the tranny.

I'm sure someone out there has made tons of power on the normal 2JZ, but the GTE is what everone thinks of as being the bulletproof powerhouse that we've all heard so much about.

So to the OP, unless you have the GTE, or have built the internals on this engine, and have upgraded the tranny and differential mounts, I would stay far far away from 800whp.

this motor came out of the aristro. and actually there are multiple typs of 2j's...

you have the 2jzge...the 2jzgt..2jzgte and the VVTi version. (<---shitty ones )

but this was the TT aristo motor ( automatic ) i have NO intentions of EVER passing the 500whp mark. if i make 420 i'll be very happy!

One of the things I hate about that movie is the fact that it is actually a non-turbo car so it had the weaker GE engine. That was the worst thing they could have seen(except I guess no engine). Sorry about the threadjack Joey the car is coming along nicely.
I would look into adding some bracing like ProjectD said as well as many people with stock LS1s have snapped trans mounts when using only the holes you are using and it would suck to get the car together and have something small like that break on you. Just another opinion.

proud to announce!! Tony from TJ motorsports, is picking up the car thrusday and is completely finishing/redoing it. when he is done i'll be driving it home!

i'll post every pick and report i receive from him! im super excited!

keep your eye out on this..i have a feeling this build thread is going to be moving fast.

Glad to hear you will have the car finished soon-ish. Just a heads up, I'm in VA and could have finished up the swap for you as well.

could have.... Joey and I are buddies and I gave him a deal that well... I know no one can top. not to mention he trusts me with his car and my craftsmanship. in a short period of time that car will live again!

Joey, post pics of before and after shots of the harness I rebuilt for u

I'm looking foward to seeing some updated/better mounting equipment.

But I think the thing I am most interested in is how all of you 2jz guys are lowering the rack AND claiming no bumpsteer correction needed. Good luck on the project! After looking at Toyotarx7's personal car I'm sure this will turn out nice.

Yes, like I said, could have. Lol, thanks for reiterating. No worries, we're already plenty backed up with other customers including some wanting 2jz swaps:icon_tup:. Not to mention I will be replicating my subframe and selling them as well. Post some pics of your subframe. I'm sure we would all like to see it.

No one who lowers the 2j engine enough to clear the factory hood can claim that. The engine is just physically too tall to not lower the rack at all, unless you shoved the engine into the firewall about 12-18". Anyone who claims they can do do otherwise hasn't tried it, or is lying. I lowered my engine the absolute minimum necessary to clear the stock hood (no hood insulation as well) and I still had to drop the rack some. Thar's with a custom single turbo exhaust manifold and custom intake manifold. The factory manifold/throttle body is even more in the way of the hood.

That was my understanding as well but this is the 2nd or3rd 2jz swap this month that claims to lower the rack without needing bumpsteer correction. And the only explanation given is the use of custome tubular subframes?

I love reading these 2j swaps almost at much as the V8 swaps. But I am suprised to see them making claims like this no bs jazz "BEFORE" even "ONE" car has proven it.:scratch:

It will absolutely need bumpsteer correction. I build my subframe to clear the factory hood and had to lower the rack mounting locations about 2" (I have the exact number written down somewhere) so without a doubt it will need bumpsteer correction. I will measure mine for the good of the community knowledge as soon as my suspension is back together. I took a 6 month hiatus from working on the car to build a shop and still need to put my suspension back on now that I have my delrin bushings made and in the control arms.

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car on its way to TJ motorports! excited. soon we will all see the outcome

They didn't even have a trailer to put it on/in? Lol, that seems sketchy.

From the sound of it, they are a new buisness just starting to get up and running so they probably just haven't picked one up yet.

I can understand being new, but I would rent a trailer or borrow one before I towed a car that far with that setup.

do what you have to do. im cool with it. the car isnt going anyway, since it bolts to the chassi.

this thread will be getting updates a ton here in the next week or two. everyone keep posted.

lol be careful Joey, apparently I'm a sketchy individual now because i dont own a trailer hahaha

you know GX, I read and hear the crap you say and doubt about me but idk if u noticed, but I don't pay u any mind... from a professional stand point, i find that kinda immature don't u think ? but it's cool, i don't eat from ur plate or need ur approval and acceptance for anything, when I say I'm a do something, I DO IT and I clearly displayed that to Joey today for what i had to do to pick up the car. if u had to drive 20+ hours to pick up a car because u gave that man ur word, u woulnt, if u had to deal with what i had to, you would've turned around and gone back home. and that's just my judgement by how immature ur being. I told Joey I would pick up the car on thurs, i did, i told him id be tbere at 12:30, and i was. I said i will create this frame and I WILL, I'll even sell u one on discount to prove it to u.

and to everyone else, i got the car today!! we set up this week end and we start cracking Monday! already have several designs waiting for test fitment!! TJM sub frame kits coming soon :-D

Perhaps you should read what I said again. I never called you sketchy, just your method of "trailering" the car. From a professional standpoint, that looks unprofessional to me. I personally would never tow a customer's vehicle like that. I have not bashed you in any way. I simply asked for discussion about your claim of not having bump steer while still lowering the engine under the factory hood, without you ever having done so. As someone who has already done this, I wanted to hear some proof of your claims rather than let misinformation be spread. You also claimed in your own thread that you wouldn't want the engine that low, but then decided you changed your mind? If you think asking for actual data to back up a claim is immature, then I think you are missing the point.

Also, don't even try and tell me what I would or would not do for a customer or anyone else I gave my word to. You think 20 hours is bad? I drove 27 hours straight to get a Supra from IL and back through some of the worst weather I've ever seen. You are the one being immature if you think you know me and what I would do. I have no ill feelings towards you and your "business" whatsoever. I've been around this business for long enough to know that a lot of people make a lot of claims. I'm just asking for some proof, and asking you to let your work do the talking for you. Don't worry about me needing a subframe, I have full fabrication shop and already built one for myself, which you can easily find pictures of in case you want something to reference when your building your version :gwink:.

Toyotarx7, as per the PM i sent you yesterday, please dlete/edit/fix your signature and be carefull of your posts here offering services for $$. the next step is me deleting this thread.

Thank You.

how about we all just get along lol.. since we are all trying to do the same thing lol..put a 2jz into a FD !


just wondering, why can he not state services for money? im curious to know ( not being a smart ass, just wanting to be informed )

he came to me and offered wiring assistance. gave me a price i couldnt say no to. he did it..and i couldnt have been any happier with it.

Because he's not paying to be a vendor on the website. You have to pay if you want to advertise.

I'm all for getting along and moving forward the jz swap community away from tech2's monopoly.

ahh the 2jz. what an engine. i was reading an article in i believe the hot rod magizine and it was about this asian billionaire that took this motor and stuck in in a 69 camaro. he was able to get 800++ hp by just doing some head work, stonger springs and whatnot, a cam and of course a huge as hell turbo. its easy to get power outta it without doing really anything to the motor.

damn this "other engine conversion" page is dead... bump for me!!! having huge progress very soon!