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cfamilyfix 11-29-16 10:43 PM

A turbo question...
 
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...625efafcee.png
I'm piecing together a 12a dellorto low boost (5-8lbs) for my 1980 626. I have a rotary works 12a exhaust manifold and tial 44mm external wastegate. I need to make a decision on a turbo. Here is what I'm looking at:
Goals are a fun car. No drag racing or competition. 12a is stock port and I won't be running an intercooler. Thoughts?

cfamilyfix 11-29-16 10:46 PM

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...ce549cc210.jpgSomething like this. Waiting on turbo hat for the dellorto

cfamilyfix 11-29-16 10:50 PM

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...57444be063.jpgThe car

mattallac 11-30-16 01:02 AM

I would say your best bet is to go with a turbo the same as a turbo II fc or the same as a race tech kit from the 80s if you want a fun ,fast and street friendly car . I would also not be afraid to throw 15lb at the 12a .

cfamilyfix 11-30-16 02:30 AM

Thanks Matt. Problem is I already ponied up for the fancy manifold. I have an fc t2 turbo and manifold but would have to modify heavy to work on the 12a

WANKfactor 11-30-16 03:15 AM

What about one of these?? Cheaper, current aero, good turbine options... 57mm Enhanced S200SX-E 7670 Turbo ? Full Race

13BT_RX3 11-30-16 09:02 AM

You'll need to start by plotting your engine's operating points on the compressor map you intend to use to see if it's a close enough match.

Info on how to do that:
https://turbobygarrett.com/turbobyga...Tech%20103.pdf

T04E "57 trim" map:
COMPRESSOR MAPS

S200SX-E map:
http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/10...19turbomap.jpg

P.S.-What do you have planned for ignition timing control?

cfamilyfix 11-30-16 09:35 AM

Locked dizzy with leading timing at 10-12 degrees adv. trailing at 0

cfamilyfix 11-30-16 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by 13BT_RX3 (Post 12128386)
You'll need to start my plotting your engine's operating points on the compressor map you intend to use to see if it's a close enough match.

Info on how to do that:
https://turbobygarrett.com/turbobyga...Tech%20103.pdf

T04E "57 trim" map:
COMPRESSOR MAPS

S200SX-E map:
http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/10...19turbomap.jpg

P.S.-What do you have planned for ignition timing control?

thanks for this info...

mattallac 11-30-16 10:43 AM

there are adapters for t3 to t4 mounting on e bay and i think ace race stainless has them

13BT_RX3 11-30-16 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by cfamilyfix (Post 12128406)
Locked dizzy with leading timing at 10-12 degrees adv. trailing at 0

Taking the centrifugal advance springs out should work fine, that's what I did for my blow through setup a while back. You may want to see if you can find a JDM 12A turbo dizzy. It's all setup by Mazda to work with boost.

cfamilyfix 11-30-16 11:53 PM


Originally Posted by 13BT_RX3 (Post 12128451)
Taking the centrifugal advance springs out should work fine, that's what I did for my blow through setup a while back. You may want to see if you can find a JDM 12A turbo dizzy. It's all setup by Mazda to work with boost.

those things are rarer than hens teeth!!

Jeff20B 12-04-16 01:40 AM

Semi-locked is the way to go. Or in other words, just limit the advance to 10 degrees.

cfamilyfix 12-04-16 09:08 PM

Redirection was necessary and steps have been taken

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...c8bc902d2b.jpgI figured timing was critical and since oem pulleys are notoriously variable I got this
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...01d90c9417.jpgFound some rot to be dealt with so this had to happen
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...33603081cc.jpgGot an rx2 manifold and a s4 turbo with 12a fitment
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...f22d06b87b.jpgSome time with a grinder and some high temp paint will go a long way toward making this look presentable
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...38c7c903d8.jpgTurbo that came with the manifold is seized but I have another.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...e02981708c.jpgJeff20b might have had something to do with recent decisions lol 😂

WANKfactor 12-05-16 03:37 AM

Much better solution!

lastphaseofthis 12-05-16 07:36 AM

cutting the stock fc turbo manifold only involes enlongating the holes like 5mm, its really easy... but looks like you found a solution.

Jeff20B 12-06-16 01:37 PM

Do you know if that RB pulley has 100% accurate marks? It should as they base it on the woodruf key. Might want to double check it though.

13BT_RX3 12-07-16 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by Jeff20B (Post 12129599)
Semi-locked is the way to go. Or in other words, just limit the advance to 10 degrees.

https://www.rx7club.com/1st-generati...-boost-1077251

Looks like an effective solution.


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