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Custom FD Front Brake Ducts
I'd like to gauge interest in custom hub side brake ducts for the FD.
The design will be similar to the CWR/Triple-R parts, made to mate up to a 3" brake duct hose. Cost TBD depending on how many are interested, but expect high quality finish for both exterior and interior surfaces. I will update with the actual design concept later this weekend. Thanks, Joey Images for a general idea: https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...714bb4faae.jpg CWR Brake Ducts https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...cb007e6b56.jpg |
I'd be interested in something like this dependant on price,fitment and clearance
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Interested!
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Interested.
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The plan is to fit 18x10.5 wheels at minimum, but I expect you could run whatever you want as I won't design any of the hard parts to extend much outside the rotor diameter.
Anyone interested in the duct transition piece that would fit up to a 99 spec front lip as well? |
Very interesting.... Depending on price and clearance, I may be interested in the both items mentioned.
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Interested!
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Originally Posted by djritz
(Post 12102347)
Anyone interested in the duct transition piece that would fit up to a 99 spec front lip as well?
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interested as well
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Interested
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Totally interested. Would need the front ducts for sure.
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I'm trying to figure out how to duct this with pre 99 spec bumpers with dual oil coolers
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interested in both!
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Originally Posted by rotary#10
(Post 12102989)
I'm trying to figure out how to duct this with pre 99 spec bumpers with dual oil coolers
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Playing with a few different ideas for the rotor duct.
In order to get a simpler part, and better flow, I'm considering knocking one of the mount holes off the upright. This is probably less ideal for some people since it requires some skill/courage with a grinder. Would people still be interested if you had to modify the uprights? Or would you like to see the design work with the stock mount points (all 3)? More complex, works with OEM mounting: https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...d68c1e34ee.png Stock Mounting Simpler, requires grind-o-rama: https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...7b779b4f5b.png Modified Upright |
Wider market if it fits all 3...I'm interested in a stock-non-modified application.
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Also interested in the 3 hole version.
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Couple suggestions...
1) Keep all three mounting points. 2) In order for "best of both worlds" could you just have the mounting spot exist on the two hole design - but be accessible through the duct? 3) Consider having the duct angled like the CWR ducts so the duct hose doesn't need to have a 45degree bend in it. Other then that, keep up the good work! -M |
I'll see what I can come up with to keep the part cost down, inlet/outlet areas similar and maintain the 3 hole pattern.
I've kept the overall part height as small as possible to make the tooling cheaper, as well as make the parts more versatile for wide wheel applications. I think it is probably smarter to have the duct attach to the a-arms with some slack than include a bend in the hard portion of the duct. If I were only designing this for a singular application I would definitely make the hard portion of the duct longer and hug the wheel/tire. Routing would be similar to this, but less zip ties to the struts and more tie downs on the arms. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...a471dd0f95.jpg
Originally Posted by MattGold
(Post 12106223)
Couple suggestions...
1) Keep all three mounting points. 2) In order for "best of both worlds" could you just have the mounting spot exist on the two hole design - but be accessible through the duct? 3) Consider having the duct angled like the CWR ducts so the duct hose doesn't need to have a 45degree bend in it. Other then that, keep up the good work! -M |
Yeah - I'm with you. I was picturing a hose coming off the duct at an immediate angle. This changes my opinion. :icon_tup:
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Interest here :nod:
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Interested as well :icon_tup:
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Very, very interested.
Some suggestions: - Keep the three hole design, but widen/spread-out the entry into the rotor eye so as to preserve the same 3" cross-sectional area as the hose. If the area is the same at each point, it won't throttle airflow. Extra credit ideas: - Provide a fitted entry duct as well. Here is an example of what I mean: https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...5/#post5619354 - There is one problem I haven't seen anyone try to solve - routing the hose past the sway bar mount usually means the tire rubs it (and unless it is wrapped in sheet metal, wears through it) when at full steering lock. A solid duct piece could be designed to fit, at the sway bar, with circular entry, a flattened cross section that preserved the same cross-sectional area as the hose past the area where the tire could rub, and a circular exit. So the entire ducting solution would be a fitted entry duct, a piece of hose from this entry to a middle "flattened" piece at the sway bar mount, and another flex hose from the flattened piece to the rotor eye entry. If done in this way, I think the flex hose would last a lot longer. |
Interested!
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Interested depending on pricing and fitment for a re front
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Interested as well. Looking forward to updates.
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Interested too !
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Sorry for the delay in getting this thread updated, work has been busy, but I finally have some progress!
As for fitting to a Re-Amemiya front end, I only have access to my own car which is running a '99 lip. If enough people are interested I could develop something, but I would need some measurements from this bumper. I will be working on the lip side inlet fitted duct once the design is finalized for the rotor side duct. Personally I think the extra drag induced by a smaller cross sectional area at the rotor is worth directing the flow into the center of the rotor and towards the vanes. I am considering adding a lip or soft seal to get as close to the rotor surface as possible to ensure a maximum amount of air flows into the rotor vanes. If the drag is too much for people they can always tape off the inlet ducts! :lol: Finally found some time to get the geometry to something I felt was good enough to print out in plastic: https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...e59bb1e2af.jpg Fitted up to driver side spindle: https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...26cf0aa8db.jpg Closeup of gap around third bolt hole. I will be using a high temp capable RTV sealant to close this out completely. Also planning to run a few simulations to see if this bolt is needed to keep the duct in place under high loading (bump, high cornering, at elevated temp wet conditions). https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...9c1ea9f95b.jpg Matches my centric slotted rotor ID perfectly... (view from inside) https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...47ef5f77ad.jpg Found a few things I want to change about the geometry while fitting it up, most notably, I am going to angle the inlet for the hose towards the front of the car to help maximize the gap to the damper at max lock, and increase the bend radius on the hose going to the lip. View of current gap at full lock: (about 1.25") https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...32bb3042ef.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...de8aa29875.jpg Glad to see so many people are interested! I'll keep updating once I have more details and progress. Hoping to get started with tooling in the next few weeks. Any input is appreciated. |
Looking good!
Many stock backing plates have a lip all the way around on the rotor side for rigidity and it will also help create a seal for better airflow going through the rotor. |
Looks great. If you cant get the hard ducting straight it will be awesome.
Here's what ptrhahn did to adapt some C5 corvette ducts: https://www.rx7club.com/attachments/...-photo-1-1.jpg https://www.rx7club.com/attachments/...ld-photo-1.jpg |
crap, I can't edit that to make it smaller, sorry :/
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For consideration: I obtained some homemade caliper backing disks off a member. They are fairly simple. A round disk with a tube welded and bended to clear one of the mounting bolts. This seems a little simpler to fabricate and the tube is positioned right at the center of the brake disk.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...47349e059a.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...a30a5893d9.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...db3eb36228.jpg |
Originally Posted by TomU
(Post 12117100)
For consideration: I obtained some homemade caliper backing disks off a member. They are fairly simple. A round disk with a tube welded and bended to clear one of the mounting bolts. This seems a little simpler to fabricate and the tube is positioned right at the center of the brake disk.
] I would only be interested in a new version if it was designed so as to increase the cross-section of the exit eye. I think this could be done by elongating the base of the "tube" (so it was more of a cone). But this would make it harder to easily fabricate from sheet metal, so it might have to be printed, or fiberglassed. |
I know most people wont like this option but I have been running with only two bolts for some time without issues. I trimmed the third one off to make room for the tube. Mine are only 2.5", I would be interested in 3" style. Mine fits tightly inside my petting racing brake rotor. There is almost no gap so 98% of the air entering has to pas through the rotors. I think some larger/trim-able option would be great so you can get a perfect fit.
https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7472/2...f90823de_k.jpg |
Sorry my pics come in upside down. I applaud the efforts, but as is noted, it's pretty easy to fab the spindle duct portion, I've had them made and also have a set of N-Tech's ones (not made anymore).
The trick is the house routing near where the tire would turn towards the frame... you just keep wearing through hoses. It seems corvettes have the same problem, hence the Doug Rippie Motorsports wide/flattened duct sections I used. Note, though, for our cars they really need to be like 3/4 scale... the inlets were 4.5", and the outlets are 3.5. I cut and grafted a smaller standard bumper duct to the front of them, so I could use a reasonably sized hose. If I knew how to use CAD, and had access to 3D printing like you do, I'd buy a set of those Doug Rippie ducts, and set about miniaturizing and optimizing them for our cars. That flat section is about 6"x1". |
Interested
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if the price is right and as a carbon fiber version. i'm definitely interested...
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Any update on this at all??
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Has this stopped then?
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Just a lil bump. I like what I have seen.
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I would be in for this as well.
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Hey all, unfortunately life took over and this little design project fell to the back burner for quite some time... sorry for the lack of progress!
I ended up picking this back up recently, and I was able to run a version of the sheet metal/tube fabricated design on the spindle, along with a 3d printed bumper duct piece. I used a thin wall 3" intercooler pipe with a rolled end and squashed it into an oval at the rotor side, so cross section area is maintained, and thus the flow is relatively undisturbed. The brakes survived a 100F+ track day at Buttonwillow with greatly improved performance, but there is still some room for improvement. My car is running a '93 front bumper with a '99 lip. Currently the 3" bumper duct is hooked up to the openings that normally serve the oil coolers, but I'm going to make a new one to mate to the lower lip opening instead. I'm open to designing some additional bumper inlet ducts for other bumper designs, but would only be able to offer the '93 and '99 OEM bumper options first. Are there other bumper designs people would like a duct designed for? Also, what size wheels and tires are people running? I had no issues routing a 3" duct through next to the sway bar bracket, but if people are running huge wheels this might not work. |
I'm in for some inlet ducts. Currently i'm using a naca mounted at the lip. I hate it, but not enough to fab an alternative.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...4fb1c3aac6.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...63ab29c926.jpg |
I think the most common bumpers that people are running are
93 99 FEED Everything else will be pretty small sample sizes for parts runs. |
Would love to see some printed ducting for the 93 bumper and lip. Surprised the plastic backing plate can hang with track braking temperatures.
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So are the brake ducts ready to be sold?
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I'm working on updating the part geometries and getting a version made for the lower lip intake rather than the inlet for the oil coolers, as well as another novel concept that would be bumper design independent.
Right now the only 3d printed portion I am running is the adapter to the bumper fascia. The backing plate at the rotor is metallic, but I'm working with someone now to see if we can get a carbon solution completed for this. Expect some results in the next few weeks - unfortunately this isn't my day job! |
Do you anticipate any binding with the hoses at full lock? If so, a possibility for quick release of a hose section for street driving?
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Originally Posted by su_maverick
(Post 12306941)
Do you anticipate any binding with the hoses at full lock? If so, a possibility for quick release of a hose section for street driving?
I run 255 width tires on an 18x8.75" wheel with a offset 33 wheel up front, for reference. |
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