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1993 FD overheat problem

Hi everyone, I drives a 1993 FD, and when i am driving normally with low rpm, speed around 70km/h, etc, after maybe 15 mins of driving, the coolant metre or the H - L metre in the dash boad wil rasie a little bit. Normal cars the metre will point between H and L. (Right in the middle or something) But for my FD, it will raise a little bit. (Let's say pointing half way betwen H and L is a 50%, my metre will be reaching around 55 - 58% off that metre on my dash board.)

My FD is a pure stock car, only have a Racing Beat muffler, that's it. Mechanically stock. I tend to sit inside my car and wait the car cool down for 3-4 mins prior shuting it down. However, after I shut it off, i am hearing some boiling water noice after i shut it down for a couple of minutes as well. Can anyone tell me what's wrong with my FD? My FD was leaking coolant before, and recently, I have changed a new Coolant Resovair from Mazda Dealer. I check my Radiator coolant level, they are fine. Any clue of what's wrong? Stock FD cooling system ain't enough for it? Please help me out, thx!!!!

The FD water gauge is notorious for being a useless POS. About all its good for is an indicator that you have reached a safe temperature to boost, and an indicator that you have already overheated. The gauge will get up to about half way then sit there until you are pretty much overheated, at this point it rockets up to the H.

If you want your gauge to be useful, search the 3rd gen section for the temp gauge linearization mod. Otherwise you should get a water temp gauge or a powerFC with commander to monitor water temp.

So by that means, my car is overheating? Any indication of which part is not working? Water tank? I have just installed a new thomostat recently as well, by the Mazda Dealer.

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Originally Posted by Ka Kui (Post 7306714)

So by that means, my car is overheating? Any indication of which part is not working? Water tank? I have just installed a new thomostat recently as well, by the Mazda Dealer.

Until you get some way to get exact temperature readings, no one really knows for sure if your car is overheating or not. Just buy an aftermarket temperature gauge, something like this:

http://www.rx7store.net/product_p/autometer%20wt.htm

When you see what your temps are, then someone can provide some useful information.

i got an aftermarket gauge and helps a whoooooooooooole lot and i filled it with only coolant from Peak 50/50.

Thx, then maybe i should get an aftermarket water gauge. But i still wonder, the stock gauge on the dash board isn't showing the right temp? Pointing half way is normal, right? Those aftermarket gauges have precise measurement eh?

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Originally Posted by Ka Kui (Post 7309256)

The stock gauge is basically a range. The middle of the gauge is for temps around 180-240F. It doesn't really move too much from the middle until you are approaching 240F. So you don't really have a good idea on what the real temp of the car is... The stock gauge is not linear.

If the middle of the gauge is around 180 - 240F. So what is the overheating temp? More than 240F? When I turn off my car, i can still hear some boiling water sound (After I shut my car down completely). Since I hear there are boiling water sound coming from the engine bay area, so i pop into my car and turn the ignition to the 1st stage, to let the fan turn on for 3 mins or more, then I shut down the car again.

Hi everyone, I had brought my FD to Mazda Dealer recently again, and they changed 2 switches for me, one is the Water tank fan switch, and secondly, is the water pump temp sensor switch. They said after they installed these parts, the car is back to normal temperature.
HOWEVER, today i drive to work, and back home at night, the engine bay area still hot. How long does it take the car/engine to cool down completely? I back home around 7:00pm today, and after dinner, i went out to check my car at 9:00, the hood still hot, so i open up my hood and the engine bay area still hot. This is not normal, right? My car is overheating, right? 2 hours normally should cool down completely, right? I am going to bring my car back to Mazda Dealer again, and see what they have to say...... Please reply for help, thx.........

My car takes quite a while to cool off from maybe 90c or around 194f. I'll check the exact temps tomorrow if you'd like.

i have similar problems with my FD... bubbling water after a highway cruise..PFC indicates around 105 degrees C and i have seen 114 degrees C on it after a short stint at high boost...

Can anyone offer advice on what normal operating temps are??

Greg

Probably 80C to 95C. Any auto parts store will tell you what temp your thermostat is. But anything above 100C is getting bad. 115C or 240F sounds like it is already boiling or about to boil.

Overheating and knocking are the enemies of the rotary. 1 strong overheat or 1 strong knock can blow the engine. I hear FD's are unreliable partly b/c they have a poor cooling system and b/c they are tuned just barely well enough to avoid knocking. Basic cooling system upgrades are the temp gauge and radiator. Cooling system maintenance is also important. The engine should be retuned after any power upgrades to make sure it never knocks. i.e., With a good margin of safety so it never happens in the future, not just during the tuning session and not just "it's not knocking (for now), I'm not gonna tune". Turbo system maintenace is important to prevent over-boost (and the immediate knocking that results). Don't gamble your engine, read up and prevent the problems.

usually when coolant leaks, as a quick fix people will just fill it up with water. and when they keep doing that eventually there will be too much water and not enough coolant.
check that your coolant isnt just mostly water. a 50/50 mix of water and coolant should still yield a very radiant translucent green. try a coolant system flush and refill. it shouldnt boil while just cruising unless theres not enough antifreeze/coolant mixed in. make sure you know the difference between the already premixed 50/50 water:coolant and the 100 coolant. if you get the premix just pour it straight in. if not mix equal quantities. that should fix ur prob.ohh and make sure ur system is completely bleed= no air bubbles.

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Originally Posted by Ka Kui (Post 7331843)

... 2 hours normally should cool down completely, right? ...

the car mechanics recommend you wait at least 4 hours b4 its safe to work on any hot parts of the car. so i'd say 2hours is definitely not enough. most engines are still hot after 2hrs.

thanks for the updates guys. i think the concentration of the coolant in the car is low and needs to be changed out..im quite sure its not distilled water either. previous owner installed a Greddy FMIC and this is probably robbing the rad of much needed air too. it also has a stock rad, which is not contributing as efficiently as a fluidine or koyo that seem to be the best upgrades.

is there any reason why the koyo's and fluidines are so highly recommended. here in South Africa importing parts from abroad can be a time consuming process. there are custom rad builders here..would it be waste of time to have one built..what are the key elements for a good upgrade..a thicker core, ablity for the water to have multiple passes before exiting the rad etc.etc.

its also pretyy hot here ..summer temps about 30-35 degrees C

some advice please before itake a decision.

There are many aspects to cooling. For normal street driving, the main thing you care about is air routing/ducting. i.e. the more air you are able to force through the radiator, the more effective your cooling system will be. Increasing the thickness of the core without increasing the airflow isn't necessarily a good thing. If you don't have enough airflow, a larger core can have an adverse effect on your cooling system (i.e. you run hotter).

Koyo and Fluidyne are popular as those are two brands which are easily obtainable in the USA. Honestly, those are not the only two companies on the planet who know how to weld up a radiator. :) The main issue is finding a company who can produce a radiator which is specifically made for the car. Here's a post showing a radiator advertised for the RX7, yet doesn't have the things needed to be a direct replacement:

https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...66&postcount=9

With brands like Fluidyne and Koyo, you know you won't run into problems like the post above.

I still hear some water boiling sound after I turn off my car for 10 mins or so.... Is that bad? How bad is it? I have replaced a new thomostat. Will changing those Samco cooling pipes for radiator and turbo pipes helps?

Since i have a FMIC and it totally occupies the centre air dam of the front bumper, its almost impossible to try to route/duct some air flow to the rad without some fancy mods, how helpful will it be to change the fan temps to come on at 5 to 7 degress cooler:
Fan 1 A/C at 90C
Fan 1 no A/C at 95C
Fan 2 at 100C

Greg

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Originally Posted by Custard (Post 7385190)

IMO, that's a little excessive. I would have both fans on high at 110 C, then go down by 5 for each of your others. I would still look to try to create some ducting for your radiator. You can duct air under the FMIC and then to the radiator:

https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/my-radiator-fmic-ducting-mini-project-651168/

it is difficult to bleed the cooling system in an FD. the bubbling noise is air bubbles runing through the system.
you need to make sure ther is no leaks...pressure test the system
once there is no leaks you then need to fill the system completely.
go to princess auto they have a huge yellow funnel with adapters to secure it to your watrepump housing and athach it to the housing fill the system up with 50/50 premix and let the car vehicle idle for a good 15-20 mins do not let the funnel run out of coolant add as needed.
when all is said and done the next day before start up pull the waterpump housing cap off and check your level if it is low top it off and you should be fine.
pm..... me for more details
sean

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Originally Posted by Ka Kui (Post 7378983)

Do yourself a favour and take your car to jim kutschke, a member of this forum, a rotary shop owner and generally great guy. He is in the Toronto area and the person I rely on for issues with my FD. His name on the forum is his name, "jim kutschke". There is nobody else in the GTA with the exception of Canjam Motorsports and Mazdees that I would trust with my car.

There are very few Mazda dealers in the GTA that have good techs to handle maintaining FDs. If you want to know my personal experience with some of the smaller rotary shops in the area feel free to contact me. My early mistakes may save you alot money. I will drop you a pm as well. Good luck getting your car sorted and whatever you do get your temperature problem diagnosed before you do some irreversible damage. (assuming you actually have a temperature problem)

Lawyers spirit his question was not who should he take his car too and this is not the LOUNGE this is ROTARY TECH SUPPORT where forum members have technical questions and need answers seeing they are trying to learn and repair something on there OWN while communicating with other forum members.
i am sure if Jim @ Rotary Dynamics or Stewart @ Canjam or Dave @ mazdees was interested and willing to help this forum member they will be offering him solutions to his issue personally and i am sure the forum member knows about local shops.
Sean

QUOTE=Lawyer's Spirit;7395842]Do yourself a favour and take your car to jim kutschke, a member of this forum, a rotary shop owner and generally great guy. He is in the Toronto area and the person I rely on for issues with my FD. His name on the forum is his name, "jim kutschke". There is nobody else in the GTA with the exception of Canjam Motorsports and Mazdees that I would trust with my car.

There are very few Mazda dealers in the GTA that have good techs to handle maintaining FDs. If you want to know my personal experience with some of the smaller rotary shops in the area feel free to contact me. My early mistakes may save you alot money. I will drop you a pm as well. Good luck getting your car sorted and whatever you do get your temperature problem diagnosed before you do some irreversible damage. (assuming you actually have a temperature problem)[/QUOTE]

^^^^My post wasn't directed at you. It was giving the thread starter options to the dealership that he was currently using. If my post helps him avoid taking his car to an a-hole like yourself that is an added bonus. It sounds to me like you are upset that I wouldn't add you to my personal referral list. You and I both know the reason for that but if you've forgotten I would be happy to debate your skills and customer service in an appropriate thread elsewhere on the forum. That is if you have the balls to try me, which I highly doubt.

Ka kui, drop me a line and I can have someone look at your car at no charge.

typical lawyers or shall i say liar....i directed my repost to you and i am not offended nor intimidated by you if you understand what i said maybe you should reconsider you obscene and unproffesional reply. the forum member is trying to learn and figure out his issue with help from forum members. if he was looking for a shop he would of ask for recommendations which he didn't.....
as far as being on your referral list as i told you before i have been in this game long before you and my quality of work speaks for itself so you refferal list means shit as far as i am concerned or for anybody else for that matter...
because i banned you from my shop you are pissed off at me but you know what i do not care because rotaried are my life "streetpower cars are well represented" you could bad mouth me as much as you want but my quality work speaks for itself streetpower cars run the fastest in the quarter and streetpower tuned cars makes the most horsepower.
i personally know the other shops you talked about and you know what they are good shops but i hear and see horror stories from them as well and those about there engines and work ect so what i don't care because at the end of the day streetpower cars are at the track representing the rotary lifestyle and spanking on the pistons.
yes i am expensive but you got to pay to play......
yes i pick and choose the cars i work on because as i learned from my experience is people do not appreciate a mans labor and will not compensate for quality workmanship.
yes my shop in the past was run part time....but wait to see what streetpower is coming out with for next season......
and by the way Jim from Rotary dynamics and i are personal friends and i do not get my business involved with his... friend are friends business is business.
so you don't get all offened by me posting to you directly or name calling you lawayer liar.....
sean

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Originally Posted by Lawyer's Spirit (Post 7397670)

I'll remind you one time and one time only. You opened this can of worms.

1. Should I refer to you as Streetpower or the other ID you use on this forum "ovrevd". The id you use to post your questions when too embarassed to ask them as streetpower? Or when you want to pretend that ovrevd is a customer of yours that speaks highly of your work. You and many others know that it is you trying to talk about yourself in hopes of luring business from this forum. The jig is up pal you are a fraud.

i did not have an issue on the forum or got banned because the moderators know of me and that sitution and the issue with ovrevd and my reputation ...which you are trying to tarnish...if i am not mistaken you got banned numerous times from this forum ... hence the different user names....

2. Banning me from you shop. Sure you banned me from your shop after I told you to your face that you are lying sack of shit that ripped me off.

If i am no mistaken you where the one that have parts installed on your car at no charge on numerous occasions and still owe me a proper explaination

3. Speaking of your shop, do you still have your engine room doubling as a paint booth? Or can you even afford a hoist yet? Speaking of your body shop/rx7 shop. Have you told your partner about how you bought a 20b from aspec for $4500 and then pretended to have it shipped from the US to your home so that you could charge your own partner $6300 for it? Well guess what, I did. Sam is a good guy and deserved the truth.

my friends which cars i build that come to my shop knows that my shop is a part time operation done for the love of rotaries.thats why Sam and i are in that shop because we are both die hard rotary guys from the early 80's
that 20b for sam was from the US and i have aspec's 20b will be coming to a track soon....

4. As far as your work lets see now. You installed an E6K for me in 2003. You told me that you had installed and tuned at least a dozen. But the below link shows that you didn't even know what a wideband was in 2003.
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=151633

i suggest you read the link again there is other opinions on it.....
and do a better search because just like anyone working on rotaries the forum back then was used for tech support and a great community atmosphere.....it is dissapointing to see what it has evolved too....
that post is dated Jan 23 2003 i moved to toronto in late August 2003 we did not meet you till around later part of 2003 and yes i was asking questions because i was working on a vechicle in Tx that time.......
also both my FC and FD installations and tuning was done by me along with numerous others FD's and fc's.
there are other local shops like rpm and Rotary dynamics that go on the forum and ask tech questions as well engine building diagnose problems ect...there is nothing wrong with that...the forum is a means for tech support.... hey even yours was installed and tuned by me and which you only paid for dyno time at my hook up cost but my tuning time was free and you made great horsepower numbers which you still talk about. your car was very drivealble and you were smoking stangs all day long.......what happened after is beyond me thats all on you

5. You sold me the intercooler of your car and said it was a new one.

i told you it was used it was on my FC not even 200km's on it you saw it when i installed it you saw all my custom piping which i was reluctant to sell but you insisted and i gave in...what a fool i am....
i remember when you and i went to buy your engine and i checked it out for you i with no hesitation i even helped you wheel and deal the guy i could of bought the engine and sold it to you with a marked up price but i did not so
just think about those times or when we both went out to buy parts for your car using my using my contacts and you gaining from my discounts i would just step aside and you would gain from the savings
....you see how do you weigh the good with the bad???????

6. You stopped me from buying a new stainless steel exhaust sytem and advised me to buy yours. When I eventually saw it, it wan't even stainless.

yes i new your finacial sitution and i only suggested my parts to save you $$ i really did not want to sell you any of my upersonal p[arts nor remove it from my car and install it on yours but you insisted so again help me out on this issue.....
it was used complete racing beat turbo system you saw it on my FC and even when it came off the car

7. Your estimate for my TII swap balooned from 5k to 12k. And then after paying 11k of your ridiculous bill you tried to hold my car for the last 1k. I paid the bill as I said I would regardless of your bullshit.

it did because of all the extras that you were well informed and approved off when i was doing your v8-rotary swap conversion.... remember your car came with a v8 chopped up rad support no engine and body harness no exhasut no intercooler no mounts and a big mess....you needed stuff and i reccommended stuff and you agreed. ...what you want me to pay for your parts and charge you no labor....dream on....
nobody in this business could give you an exact competitve price for a conversion like yours so i hope you understand that....

8. When my car was having cooling issues you told me that it was 3-4 weeks before you could look at it. Luckily for me your shop partner is a nice guy and told me that I should come in to the shop when you are not there, replace the thermostat and just take my car. He knew that you were hoping to try and squeeze me for an engine rebuild when I didn't need one.

yes i did because i am 1 person shop and i had Andy's FD for major repairs that was at my shop before yours
it is common cortesy wait your turn... and i am sure if i had some spare time to squeeze your car i would have...but again you did not understand that
why would i even squeeze you for a rebuild when your engine was runing perfectly fine and the overheating issue was caused by the butcher installaion of a cheap electric fan installed by another shop which i removed for you along with repairing an oil leak for you ...which i am still waiting an expaltion on the charges for this.....

9. You have a great set of cars but you have built them at the expense of your customers. Kevin with the silver FD sold his car a soon as you finished working on it and told me he will never talk to you again. Andy with the Red FD is now an RPM customer. A couple of others have told me there own horror stories about dealing with you.

my cars were well built when i lived in Texas so your or Kevin's profit from my work did not go into my cars they went into building your cars and me setting up a shop.
for your info i still talked to Kevin before and after he sold his car and i also know the new owner of his FD which purchased parts from me for it and the car still makes tons of power i do not know whats up with it now thou....it was at magnus for some time seeing the new owner is a good friend of Marco hence our interaction.

Andy only went o RPM because he is on a budget and RPM builds engine very cheap but wait wasn't RPM calling Jim on how to fix Andy's car who then called me about RPM's lacking of knowledge and i said so be it because i don't know RPM or have any issues with him ...oh and RPM also had Andy's FD at his shop for over a year just for an engine rebuild lets see what the future holds on this car.....

10. As far as my being unprofessional. You lost all courtesy with me when you lifted a piece of metal to try and hit me with it on the last occasion I saw you. I didn't flinch then and I will be happy to defend myself physically or verbally against you any time any place.

it was not metal it was a 2 X 4 made of wood and my good friend stopped me even before i pickd it up
so again you are trying to make an issue out of something that was provoked because you became very irrate at my shop towards me hence the reason for me banning you.....

11. I have just touched the surface with my issues with you and I will dig deeper if you are stupid enough to want to try me further. I chose not to sue you since I knew the devastation it would actually inflict on your family rather than you personally. But be warned that the limitation period on my suing you is renewed every time I discover the depth of your deception. I have read that in business if someone kicks you while you are down, you should kick them back on your way past them on the upside. You kicked me when I was a student and didn't know squat about rotaries. You will get yours.

hey if i remember when i 1st met you and you had a V8 in your car all hacked up no harnesses rad support ect i explained to you the cost and what you were getting yourself into and both you and Sam encouraged me to work on your car
i did not have a shop i was just moved from Texas to Toronto and had no intentions to opening a shop Sam offered his shop space seeing he got the job for installing your wide body and painting your car i only worked on your car because i was you and Sam twisted my arm and i saw a chance to bring back an RX7 i even came to your house and helped you out when you heard a weird noise under hood and had a burning smell to check out from the car at no charge as well.

you see Charn....it goes both ways bottom line is
you are upset that i was working on my car getting it ready for a race late at nite and not working on your car and i told you off because i was stressing on my car and itwas in the heat of the moment you called me which pissed me off and by me talking down to you you did not appreciate ....and again i apologized for that incident beacuse you did not deserve to be talked to like that but i guess you still hold a grudge and cannot be man enough to accept it and move on
and as i told you as much as you want to put me down all of STREETPOWER cars will outperform any cars you or your friends build .
The STREETPOWER name has caused lot's of havoc locally because at the tracks the crowd loves all Streetpower rx7s that i do and they all perform low 11's and high 10s in full street trim makes tons of horsepower.
all i can say is ...HATERS...
i resurrected your car from being sitting at another shop for a couple of years with a v8 bucthered up in it...made it very fast with a very clean install made some money while doing it you and i both gained from lots of props from the fab work ect we became friends while doing the work...but like some people out there you are not a real rotary lover.
Rotors flow in my blood i have had rotar powered cars since i was 10 years oldjust like Sam and many of my customers who understand if you play you got to pay
i still support any issues and back up any warranty issues as far as sueing me be my guest...don't use my family as an excuse be a man about and put your facts together and challenge me
I BUILD AND TUNE RX7's like no one else in Ontario i work closely with certain local shops on projects people don't know about and you are just a sore loser trying to put someone down because of your pride.
all i got to say is grow up.....

Mods maybe you can move the last few posts to the bad guy section where this discussion would be more appropriate. I had no intention of doing this here but Streetpower seems unable to contain himself.

The Mods have be warned even prior to my last reply so

1. The only reason you were not banned for your two ids was because you claimed to the mods that it was your brother that created the id. And then you stated that one id is for work and one for home. Regardless of whether it came from you or your brother the end goal was the same. You were trying to scoop business from this forum by pretending that you actually had customers. It is unfortunate that the 7club archive has lost most of "ovrevd" posts as it would become quite clear to anyone that took the time to read them that you are one and the same. This fraudulent, conniving behaviour is a prime example of exactly why I am no longer your customer and will always recommend people stay away from you.

2. You came into this thread more transparent than your old ways but clearly still just hoping that Ka Kui would pm you. You would have tried to turn that pm into a business opportunity. I saw it and intervened and you didn’t like it, which resulted in this thread being what it is now. I would be willing to wage money on the fact that less than 1 percent of your posts on this forum were actually ever trying to give anyone advice. You are an opportunist concerned with only one thing, lining your own pockets.

3. You continue to lie about that 20b. Sam knows the truth. I only discovered the truth by pure coincidence. I was at Aspec picking up a part when Paul or Steve commented on you buying a 20b. I clarified with them when and if it had a bent front pulley. They confirmed it did and that it came with a light blue plastic bin of peripheral parts. Now you must remember that I drove to your home with Sam to pick up the 20b that you said came from the states. The same blue basket and bent pulley 20b is what we picked up. When I and Sam probed as to why a truck would rather deliver to your home than to a dock level at the shop you had no answer. When I probed about the lack of packaging skid you said you threw it out. A little absurd and coincidental don’t you think. You are a person that would lie to his own partner to make a few bucks, a customer doesn’t stand a chance.

4. You explain your lack of shop equipment and building engines in a dust filled body shop by saying it is a part-time venture. Well maybe you should try charging like it is a part-time venture and not claim to be more than you are. Your love of rotaries cannot overcome your love of money and willingness to be underhanded to get it. Your shop is a joke where you have managed to build your own cars but exactly which customer of yours is enjoying the success of collaboration with you. I have never seen or heard of any.

5. There is nothing wrong with asking questions you don’t know the answers to. There is a problem with misrepresenting yourself as a tuner when in fact at most you could be described as a novice that is hoping to become a tuner. You stated categorically that you had installed many systems and tuned many rx7s and other cars. I guess you did all this in the short time between learning about what a wideband is for and when I met you. You should really listen to yourself. I am not buying your BS and I doubt anyone else is.

6. As far as tuning my car you took it for 4 pulls on the dyno and stated that anything more was to be at an additional tuning charge. Paul from Splitfire is a great guy that gave me a good rate on the dyno time. And as a result I encouraged others to attend his shop and actually arranged a dyno day when I helped found the Rx Club of Ontario. He made a pretty penny and he is happy to deal with me at anytime. And he is fully aware of what I think of you.

7. I have no problem acknowledging that you introduced me to many people to buy parts for my car. I can also tell you that I have done a hell of a lot better on my own. The only reason I allowed you to continue with my car is that I needed it finished or my money was completely wasted as I had nowhere to turn at the time. You held me hostage on more than one occasion. You refused to install certain brands of products in the car as if it was your own car. You didn’t care where the money came. You knew I had kids and was in school. You wanted to build a car in a fashion that would show off your business rather than serve my needs at the time. It was your shop’s stickers on the car when you asked me to take it to a show. My car was the first car you worked on when you came back to Canada from Texas and you took full advantage of what you perceived to be my deep pockets.

8. 12k for a TII swap into a vert with an E6k is a ton of money any way you look at it. I asked you ten different times about whether 5k was enough as I could not afford more. You replied every time that it would be close. I am beginning to think that you were hoping that I couldn’t pay the bill so that you could register a lien against the car. I cannot imagine why you would think that I could afford more than I stated I could to you.

9. I really couldn’t care less how much time you spend working on your cars. It is none of my business. What is my business is that when my car comes into your shop for a 1-2hr fix you tell that customer they should wait 4 wks since you are working on a complete engine rebuild plus whatever else. I told you before I took the car to you that it is my primary mode of transportation and I need it back. After spending 12k I expect a little bit of courtesy. You were hoping to make another fat bill but I intervened and that is when the problems with you and I began. I told you exactly what I thought of your antics and I was done with you. You were the moron that still called me back after that since a part you ordered for $47 from Mazda had come in and you wanted me to pay for it. I obliged and came to your shop that evening to pick it up and pay for it. I was completely calm and did not say a word to you about anything since you had others in the shop. IT IS YOU that decided you were going to raise your voice at me in front of others and when I didn’t back down you thought you would scare me with trying to attack me with a piece of metal. You claim it was a piece of wood but you don’t deny that it happened. You are a moron, you told me to come there and then tell me I am banned from your shop. I never wanted to see your face ever again and I had already told you that. I only came there because I never want anyone to accuse me of owing them money. You were paid every dime you asked for.

10. Your arrogance in your post is pathetic; you are mentioning other shop names and trying to bring them down to your level. You try to claim that you are the best in Ontario at servicing Rx7s. To make that statement in itself shows your lack of respect for others. It is supposed to be others that state you are a good tuner, tech or whatever not you proclaiming yourself the best.

11. You are the one that is too prideful to acknowledge that you made a mistake by mistreating me. If you had done so many months or even years ago this thread would not have been here.

Charn,
you are really sounding like a dam good lawyer i am impressed....
this all started buy you intervening in the tread which really should have been brought up a long time ago but you choose to be a little boy and pm every body about your issue with me.... leaving me out ...we calld that badmouthing behind someone's back..luckily Jim along with many other forum members who are personal friends came to me about the situiation and i let them pass judgement

really don't care if the tread starter pm me about business actually i am too busy working on something special so.... eat your heart out when you find out ....and i don't care about your inaccurate and twisted justifications and also a whole lot of people on this forum and outside this forum will back me up
this all started by me opening offering tech support on an issue for a fellow forum memeber and then you brought the business issue into it so you can babble on and on and on but it does not change the fact that you stepped in on the wrong thread.
my quality, knowledge and workmanship is far supperior than many shops you speak of highly and alot of my innovation have motivated these shops which i have no problem with because i will always be a die hard rotary fan ...not a want to be .......
i will still be building fast ass rotaries in Ontario as long as i live and you will still be way behind even thou you live in a big 3000 square foot house and drive around town like a bigshot lawyer.......
also i did speak to you man to man and apologized about me talking down to you a long time ago so thing back long and hard
and i hope you do see the lite
happy rotoring enjoy that FD you bought at least you are stepping up in the world.
and this will be my last post for this tread so read it reply if you want i don't have anymore time waste behind your old time grudge.
they say jealousy will get you no where in life....
sean

Speaking about my experience with you with others is my perogative. They can take it as truth or leave it. I gave you the courtesy of not making a public thread about you till you spoke to me directly. This thread is the first time you did speak to me directly in several years and I said my piece. You were the one that jumped down my throat in this thread and I have only responded to your comments. I agree that this was a long time ago and it really means nothing in the grand scheme of things but I am yet to hear you acknowledge your wrong doing. But I do sense that you would rather the issue be settled. I have no problem talking it out but step 1 for me would be an apology from you for the whole fiasco. Statistics prove that a happy customer tells 3 people of their good experience while they tell 11 about their bad. My case was different as I helped found the Rx Club of Ontario and had access to many ears. Just think to yourself about what your business would have been today had you kept me happy. I hope you have learned a valuable lesson from your experience with me and treat your future customers better than you treated me.

Now for the future I am happy to hear from you and welcome a PM or phone call to settle this off the board. But I have stated step 1 to you and it is your decision as to what you want to do. I hope that you will swallow some pride and do the right thing as I have done in this post.