my 1st home made fuel cell!
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it hold about 10 gallons. made from 5052 1/8" aluminum.
i like it. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/k...D/P5200014.jpg Attachment 721359 |
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Attachment 721360 Attachment 721361 and and this is what i had in there... its lighter and came out to about the same price... but i dont smell the gas anymore and i think mine just look much better! also, having it in aluminum over thin plastic makes me feel a little safer also. unless it hits me in the back of the head. Attachment 721362 |
did you have the inside coated? how are you going to keep the heat out of the tank?
cool looking tank tho, i wish i knew how to tig weld. Lloyd |
what do you mean by keeping the heat out? its in my trunk...
and i did not coat the inside. its not needed for aluminium. |
oh, and TIG welding is actually a lot easier than people make it out to be. its just the machines are exspensive, most people dont want to spend $2000 on something they dont know how to use...
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I love it! I'm currently making my own aluminum fuel tank (it's only a cell if there is an internal bladder ;) ) but I am going the other direction....100 litres!
How did you stop the metal from warping? I am building mine with an internal frame of angle for extra strength (mounted under the car in the stock location) yet I'm still seeing significant warpage of the sides even though I'm keeping the heat down and only welding about 4" at a time. |
to keep it from warping i tacked the whole thing together in its complete shape. then i welded it up from one side to the other. 18" from side to side without stopping the weld. i didnt have any problem with it warping.
also, i would weld 2 sides on the top opposite eachother. then 2 on the bottom. then 2 opposite sides veritcally. and then finish up the same way... if its already in its complete finished shape. it should hold its shape and weld just fine. dont weld it in pieces. you would have to brace it everywhere if doing it in pieces... |
I'm quite surprised that it has not warped, using that welding method. Tacking doesn't prevent warping, so I am curious, have you put a straight edge on the seams? :)
I should be more clear about what I mean regarding warping. I'm not talking about the basic shape moving around, but about the panel staying flat. As the whole panel grows as it heats up, it could gain 1/16" or so. Then it gets welded into place in it's larger form and thus it bows in or out once it is cooled. |
Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
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I'm quite surprised that it has not warped, using that welding method. Tacking doesn't prevent warping, so I am curious, have you put a straight edge on the seams? :)
I should be more clear about what I mean regarding warping. I'm not talking about the basic shape moving around, but about the panel staying flat. As the whole panel grows as it heats up, it could gain 1/16" or so. Then it gets welded into place in it's larger form and thus it bows in or out once it is cooled. Usually when pieces are 90 deg to eachother it greatly reduces warping. The other thing is you are supposed to only weld about 6 inches, stop, and cool, that should help as well. |
ok ill be the one to say it why in the hatch?!!! also nice little aluminum project ill be doing similar for my water/meth tank. deffinatly some good practice for tig with those lengths i like it.
ill second the machine being expensive but actuall welding tig easier than most make it out. z |
Originally Posted by proz07
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ill second the machine being expensive but actuall welding tig easier than most make it out. z |
i might be jumping on this gun soon too. What does yours weight out of curiosity?
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Originally Posted by Aeka GSR
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Usually when pieces are 90 deg to eachother it greatly reduces warping. The other thing is you are supposed to only weld about 6 inches, stop, and cool, that should help as well.
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sen2two - what kind of welder did you use out of curiosity? Did it have any Pulsing mode?
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you will not need pulse with such thin material. Pulse is almost useless anyways, no matter the case. I have a Lincoln 175 square wave.
This tank is also made from 5052 and not 6061, but that has nothing to do with the warping or not warping. The only thing i can say is, if your having trouble with warpage, your set-up needs work. Where you place your tacks and how you brace the item is key here. I have welded countless aluminum pieces and i only experience warpage on the smaller items. The smaller thinner aluminum pieces need more bracing and support to keep from warping. Larger items like a fuel cell have pleny of material for the heat to go. If everything is tacked up correctly, there shouldnt really be a problem. |
Well, I tacked every few inches and then welded only a few inches at a time, at about 130-150A. I can't think of any other way it could have been done. 5052 is better in this application though since it has less of a tendency to become brittle and is more springy then 6061.
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I don't know if this is of any help, but I've welded some .02" stainless sheet before and it seemed like it didn't distort as much if i kept on going as oppose to stop and go every 2 inches. I still had it tacked about every 1" or so though.
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Originally Posted by dj55b
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I don't know if this is of any help, but I've welded some .02" stainless sheet before and it seemed like it didn't distort as much if i kept on going as oppose to stop and go every 2 inches. I still had it tacked about every 1" or so though.
Pre-heating is the key to dimensional stability. Unfortunately, it can be very difficult, or at least a huge PITA, for us mere hobbyists. |
Originally Posted by sen2two
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you will not need pulse with such thin material. Pulse is almost useless anyways, no matter the case. I have a Lincoln 175 square wave.
This tank is also made from 5052 and not 6061, but that has nothing to do with the warping or not warping. The only thing i can say is, if your having trouble with warpage, your set-up needs work. Where you place your tacks and how you brace the item is key here. I have welded countless aluminum pieces and i only experience warpage on the smaller items. The smaller thinner aluminum pieces need more bracing and support to keep from warping. Larger items like a fuel cell have pleny of material for the heat to go. If everything is tacked up correctly, there shouldnt really be a problem. Here is a professional who says otherwise: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geasK5nD4T0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NkFRlbJNZk I wont bother repeating Ron Covell's thoughts on Pulse option but the pros say otherwise. |
Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
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Well, I tacked every few inches and then welded only a few inches at a time, at about 130-150A. I can't think of any other way it could have been done. 5052 is better in this application though since it has less of a tendency to become brittle and is more springy then 6061.
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1/8". Lower current wouldn't make much of a puddle. I kept the current as low as I could while still getting a good weld.
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I work for a company called Fluid design and we make tanks. Just a few concerns. have you pressure tested the tank at 3 PSI and used SNOOP, or another soapy liquid to find leaks such as cold lap, pinholes, missed seems. Did you use a baffel inside?....And you really should have used glipnal for a coating on inside. But other then that it looks good ...;o)
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Set your tank at an angle with the peak of the "V" you are welding straight up. Wet rags and place them on both sides of the location you are about to weld. Do about 6 inches at a time. Don't drop your current, but raise it to a point where you can travel fairly quickly. If you raise the current by 20 percent, but decrease the time to travel the 6" by 50%, the overall amount of heat transfered to the metal wil be considerably less.
Another trick is to weld into a weld. If you are right handed, start 6" from the left edge (welding right to left). Next, move 12" from the left edge and weld into the start of your previous weld, and so on. It's a very effective technique (especially with MIG) but you will see all of your stops then. |
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