Selling Privileges...?!?
 

Hi,

I've been a member of this board for a LONG time now...close to 5-6 years. I only actively started posting a couple years back. Anyways, I've never up until this point had any issues with this forum or how it's being operated. After the recent acquisition by IB I've noticed many things being changed, especially general policies. The one that I'm most concerned with is this elusive and difficult to comprehend definition of "Selling Privileges". Apparently the difficulty in comprehension/understanding is not only limited to the general members, but moderators and even IB as a whole.


Approximately two or so months back I was contacted by a moderator mentioning this new policy that's been put in to effect. Apparently, I as well as many other forum members have been cited for violating this policy. The initial warning was to simply halt all selling on this forum until further notice. Not much information was given and no real solution has been implemented or suggested.



It's been nearly two months and as of yet NO update! I'd like to know what's going on? If there is no solution to the problem then why not atleast let us members continue selling until there is a resolution put in to place?!? I've been very very understanding (IMO) up until now, but there has been absolutely no progress. I'm trying to work with the moderators here, so why don't you all do the same? I've always enjoyed surfing/helping/selling on this forum, but lately I've been extremelly turned off.


I'd like to list a few comments, questions and suggestions below:


1- When can we expect there to be a resolution to this issue?



2- Why not allow us to continue selling until that resolution has been put in to place? I've already admitted that I'm willing to pay a fee (short of becoming a full vendor) to sell on this forum if that's what's required? Why not let me and the other members that have ABSOLUTELY NO objection to something like this being implemented continue and selling?!?



3- At any point in time, I've owned atleast 1 RX-7. Sometimes, I've owned 2-3 at a time. I'm not a business, I don't operate a business and I pretty much just sell the parts I take off my own vehicles. I've changed my cars setup over 4 times so I constantly have parts for sale. I used to think the BEST thing about this community was the fact that I was able to do that soo often without taking much of a loss. Buy new parts, sell the old stuff and somewhat break-even. That's the only goal.



4- With this new policy in place, I've actually noticed an increase in low-post, new and noobish members selling. I can't understand how this is a good thing? A MAJOR drawback of the policy is that it encourages newer members to sell on the forum and guess what that does? Yup, it leads to more problems i.e. Scamming being the largest issue. Hell, I buy parts quite frequently and I've been coming across a LOT of new sellers that don't even know what they're selling, just that they have something to sell...WTF :Wconfused



5- I'd like to know the criteria that's being used to suspend "selling privileges". Not in hopes to justify my own privileges, but because I've noticed a lack of enforcement regarding this matter. Lately, I've been noticing in the F/S section the same few sellers selling everything and everywhere. They have multiple threads on one page and are selling a ton of parts. Why haven't they been cited? I'm not here to name-names so please don't ask me to, but if I and other members have noticed this type of activity why haven't the mods?



6- Finally, a LOT and I mean a LOT of my old F/S threads were revisions of previous for sale threads or just new threads to sell the same parts. If judgements about selling privileges are being made, I ask that the mods judging atleast look in to the threads and NOT simply base their warnings off the number of threads posted. What type of policy is that? I've said this before in a previous thread that I simply post multiple threads at a time because noone and I know this for a fact that noone likes to read/sift through a F/S ad that's a full-page long to find what they're looking for. Hell, if the title isn't descriptive enough and doesn't have what a buyer is looking for most times they won't even look. This is why multiple threads become necessary when trying to sell multiple parts (Off my own cars). I wish I could edit posts in the F/S thread because a lot of times they become sooooo cluttered that buyers don't bother looking past the OP. Which leads to lots of confusion and them missing out on subsequent price drops that may have occurred within the same thread. That's another reason that it becomes necessary to make a new F/S thread.





That's all I could come up with now even though I know there is more others and I would like to say on this topic. I ask that the mods please please please read through this thread and take my comments, questions, and suggestions very seriously. It took me quite a bit of time to express myself properly and to be respectful at the same time. I ask that the mods understand and appreciate that fact and in turn PLEASE not delete this thread!




Respectfully,
Rizwan

This is exactly what I have been wondering myself WITHOUT any information on my status/situation. I see that the mods care more about violations and cleaning up then whats best for the members, just an honest opinion here. I havent heard/seen anything on the new "dealer" situation anywhere. All the threads that get posted about an update just get deleted or moved. Still, I cannot sell and I feel like im watched like a god dam hawk, lighten up. Yes you guys do your job and you do it well, but you are drawing people away from this forum and more and more people are getting scammed by scammers.

I completely agree with Rizwan on this situation. If you havent come up with anything let us sell. That what we have been doing for YEARS before the new regulation and damn forum army got on our case. Like I have stated before I AM NOT A DEALER. Never have been. I change my mind on my car. What is the problem with that. I know that everything I say will probably get ignored but maybe someone will take care of the situation.

MY suggestion:
How about you try and figure shit out, stop giving retarded citations and violation notices to the RESPECTED people on this club and do something to fix the PROBLEM. I cant even carry on with my car to get it back on running because of a forum, that is meant for enthusiast, is keeping me from doing so.

Where is the leadership from this board? Wait, wait, wait here:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/leadership

Sorry to be the prick that I am but this is taking WAY TOO LONG and I seriously wont even drive my car at all this year because I have ZERO funds to do so. So much for a forum that cares about there members. I may be making "false" statements but this is truely how I feel. You have done nothing for anyone, seriously. Ask yourselfs "What have I done to help these people?" Post in this thread what comes to mind. I am curious.

As far as the policies they are great and effective, however please make the right decesions when following them..
As what Rizwan said please dont delete this thread

Regards,
Charlie

First of all, lets address this-

Below quote from Charlie
sorry to be the prick that I am but this is taking WAY TOO LONG and I seriously wont even drive my car at all this year because I have ZERO funds to do so. So much for a forum that cares about there members. I may be making "false" statements but this is truely how I feel. You have done nothing for anyone, seriously. Ask yourselfs "What have I done to help these people?" Post in this thread what comes to mind. I am curious.


This is not about the one, or the few members when it comes to how a decision is made. It is made for the whole.

As far as your comment-I seriously wont even drive my car at all this year because I have ZERO funds to do so. Give me a frigging break:)

What you stated is saying, I need this fixed because it is hurting me. That sounds like a selfish statement, not one for the members. While you are waiting for this you could be selling your parts like everyone else out there. Yes, there are many places to post your ads.
1)Ebay
2)Craigslist
3)Rotorhead.ca
4)Nopistons.com

As far as this-Quote from Charlie
This is exactly what I have been wondering myself WITHOUT any information on my status/situation. I see that the mods care more about violations and cleaning up then whats best for the members, just an honest opinion here. I havent heard/seen anything on the new "dealer" situation anywhere

You have been informed about all of this by myself repeatedly. But it's not the answer that you want to hear.:)
I informed you that it is being worked on, and yes it is taking a while to get to a resolve situation. The fact is that the problem has been there for a long time and it can't just get undone by snapping your fingers. The rules have always been there, that has not changed. With the growth of the Club over the years and the lack of mods the rules were not routinely enforced.


Rizwons quote

5- I'd like to know the criteria that's being used to suspend "selling privileges". Not in hopes to justify my own privileges, but because I've noticed a lack of enforcement regarding this matter. Lately, I've been noticing in the F/S section the same few sellers selling everything and everywhere. They have multiple threads on one page and are selling a ton of parts. Why haven't they been cited? I'm not here to name-names so please don't ask me to, but if I and other
members have noticed this type of activity why haven't the mods?



Below is my response.
It was based on a history of repeatedly selling. Meaning week after week,month after month.

We are monitoring and enforcing this as we see a "History" of it with a member. Just because a member all of sudden posts up some for sale threads selling parts does not automatically put them into that category. If they are seen doing it week after week, "Month" after month, then they qualify.



But lets dispense with all of this because it has already been discussed and it is what it is. Lets get down to what is in the works.

Their is a proposal for a Sub-forum that will allow the Charlies, the fritz's, etc to post up their for sale ads. It will be a paid for sub-forum and those that fall into that category will be able to do their business in that forum only, not the private classifieds as what the regular classifieds will be named.

I cannot comment on the cost yet but if it gets approved for the recommended cost it will be very reasonable for what you will be able to do.

All the regular rules will still apply. Meaning that group buys still are separate and only get advertised and started in the group buy forums. No businesses in the sub-forum. They still have to pay for business advertising.

The full details and ETA of this sub-forum are still not known. I can tell you that I have pushed as well as other mods for this to be a priority.



As far as letting you guys continue to sell as you were until this gets implemented. All I can say is that I will submit your request today.
With the understanding that if I am able to get this approved that when the new sub-forum is implemented(could be tomorrow, next week,etc..) that if you are one of those that has been categorized as a frequent seller. When it is implemented that you agree to pay the fee for the sub-forum and that all of your current and future threads will be moved to the sub-forum. You will not be able to advertise in the private forum and if you elect not to pay then you will have all of your selling privileges revoked and the threads will be removed. That is the best that I can offer you on this at the time.

If this is acceptable to you at this point then I will go to bat for limited selling privileges(all businesses,gb's and vendors excluded). List your name if you would like for me to pursue this.

Thank you for your time and consideration in this matter,

Doc.

i have been in the same boat as everyone and was very upset with the forum and the way this matter has been handled. i just want to say that i have seen the first signs of getting this problem solved while taking the members of the forum into consideration.

thanks for your time and i hope to be active on this forum for many many years to come. i love the quality of people on this forum as much as i love my collection of third gens! :)

joe

Doc,

Thanks for the in-depth post, and something that we can all look into. I feel like posting in this thread was the only way to get SOME information on this ordeal. Put me on the list for temp selling as I need to get some clutter out of my garage.

BTW your situation with your car is different then mine so...yeah.

Also what if the prices are absurd for the sub forum? Also if we are already paying to have a sub forum doesnt it make sense to let us run our own group buys..Were paying IB just to have the previlage to sell when we shouldnt have to to begin with.

Thanks
Charlie

Charlie,

From what I have seen of the recommended fees it is very reasonable. Only those vendors who have paid for a complete package can have gb's also. The gb's are a complete separate entity and the sub-forum fees will not include this.

Regarding this-.Were paying IB just to have the previlage to sell when we shouldnt have to to begin with.

For regular members who do not post threads on a regular basis with major part outs and clearing their garages or warehouses of parts or changing their mind like underwear, then they don't have to worry about it.

But for you guys that want to advertise a lot more than the normal person then you are this. Remember, it is not a right to do anything on this Club, it is a granted privilege as outlined by the owner(s) of the site. :)

Doc.

Well underwear needs to be changed doesnt it..

Still do think its fair but what can I do..

In as few words as I can.... believe me.... The moderating team is as frustrated as the people this is effecting. We feel your pain and are all pushing for a resolution to make everyone happy

Another suggestion is that maybe you guys should re-think the meaning of a dealer?

Doc - Thank you for your continued work on this process, but I think that a few things still remain unclear and people are intentionally being kept in the dark on this. As you suggesting at this time, if the sub-forum is approved by IB then it will be created and without any notice, people will have there postings moved into this and have no other choice but to pay/no sell.

I understand that this is not your final call on the situation but shedding light on this, such as: Cost of subforum per member, limitations being set up front, number of ads being listed simultaneously, layout of subforum, etc. All of these things would help keep things in line and would allow people to think about the decision going forward.

We are all adults here and don't need to be hand held. If a rule is put in place, so be it. People will comply or leave. But what is the point of creating a subforum in the first place if the members do not intend to pay/ use it?

Also, doc...

Do you have a list of the proposed advanced sellers as described below? I am sure that once a list is created or shown, which it probably won't be, there is going to be ALOT of finger pointing at other members. If IB forces one member to pay and they do, then another member selling +/= of items then that other member is going to be called out. Am I right guys or would you pay to allow someone else to get by without coughing up the dough?

"We are monitoring and enforcing this as we see a "History" of it with a member. Just because a member all of sudden posts up some for sale threads selling parts does not automatically put them into that category. If they are seen doing it week after week, "Month" after month, then they qualify."

"Their is a proposal for a Sub-forum that will allow the Charlies, the fritz's, etc to post up their for sale ads. It will be a paid for sub-forum and those that fall into that category will be able to do their business in that forum only, not the private classifieds as what the regular classifieds will be named."

Indyparts ask very good questions when it comes to this situation but there is something that I am going to raise the BS flag on AJ. How can you compare me to Fritz Flynn? How many cars has fritz parted in the past years and how many has he owned. I am not trying to point fingers at all but I think thats absurd when I think about it, and now that I read it I am even more pissed. I have had ONE car in the 4 years that I have owned my FD. Fritz has had at least 20 different cars that he has parted over the time period that I have owned my car. Keep word in this is "parting". Do I part cars? No. I have MY car and like I have said before I change it around alot because I am never satisfied. Yet you know this and yet I am still a dealer. So in essence you are making me pay forum fees because I like to work on my car and try new things out? I dont even make money so how I am a dealer. I know you know im right on this, and I understand that you are following the forum rules but give me a break. How can IB want to charge someone money on parts they dont even make. Essentially that is charging someone to even be on this forum when it is suppose to be FREE to the public for information and used woren parts that many need or sell.

There is one instance that I do admit to that I acted like a "vender/dealer" and I would take full responsibility, even now a year later. I did sell alot of brackets when I ran that thread a year ago and I did use the forum for advertisement. I would gladly pay the forum fees for that right now for what I ran a year ago.

However, I am not a dealer, you and I both know it. Just the rules state that I am. I change my car around like "I change underwear" but what is wrong with that. I enjoy working on my car on my free time, and honestly if I am getting charged to sell parts that I am not making shit on that messed up. I dont have a business license, I make NO MONEY off used second hand parts. I dont part cars, I dont own a business. Lastly I refuse to pay any fee unless I run a GB. Simple as that.

Put yourself in my shoes for once and stop get your head(s) off the rules and think about the people that you have on this "black list". I do have multiple parts but thats like but its parts that I have collected working on my car for mock up use etc.

All I am asking if you "review" my situation, obviously I am not a dealer. Simple. But if you want to charge me to be apart of this forum, literally CHARGE me and others for the matter of fact then "wow". You are pretty much asking me to take money out of my own pocket to sell parts when I make NOTHING. Take the time to review myself and my others that are in my situation. Seriously..THINK ABOUT IT. :Wconfused

I hope to see a reply soon
Thanks again,
Charlie

I also don't see a problem with changing things that frequently. I don't believe that its the "regular members" who don't do this instead it's because most people can't do it. They either don't have the resources or capabilities to work on their own cars so they simply can't afford to keep changing their set-ups. Charlie and I, as hard as it may be to believe, actually lose a LOT of money in changing our set-ups. Hell, I lost over $1000 purchasing a brand new turbo and then deciding to sell it. Selling on the forum sometimes helps us, sometimes hurts us, but it all the time atleast gets us closer to what we desire with our cars without taking an extensive financial hit.

Sign me up, Doc! At this point, I'm done arguing. If you guys make a decision in or againt my favor, then we'll figure things out. In the meantime, please allow myself, Charlie, and the others that are obviously not full-fledged vendors and in fact debatable high-output sellers continue selling on this forum. When the issue is finally addressed and a resolution put in to place, I'll work with you.

True that..Im freaking poor. :(

Is $200/month for the ability to make a post about your product and have an ad in your signature sound reasonable for a small guy making parts on the side? I don't think so. I couldn't believe the fee I was quoted when I was inquiring not long ago. I know a lot of small/part time vendors that will not be able to put up the fee and the people that will miss out on the parts they could provide are the people of this forum, that's sad. I do understand charging for advertising but having an ad in your signature or even a post in a specified area isn't worth $200/month.

It's not going to be that. I inquired about the minimum package and that was what was quoted to have a signature and selling privileges.

But that is for the businesses.

What we are trying to get implemented is for you guys and like I stated the fee that has been proposed is affordable to all. I can't post the suggested fee because it has not been approved yet.

Doc.

Don't post it then. Just give us a hint ;-)

The idea for this is that this fee would allow someone to post within the 'subforum' and not within the regular classifieds. Doesn't that defeat the purpose in some cases? Basically if someone is looking for a part, then they would be browsing the regular classifieds, then the paying subforum classifieds and finally maybe the businesses ;-)

Not slamming here, just asking questions.

Why am I not surprised to here all this whining, Oh yeah, american youth..... I have sold 5 items to forum members in 3 1/2 years, and I would pay the 200 if its a requirement it basically gives you free acess to the largest concentration of owners of the specialty parts you are trying to sell, and many of you do it as a business, many of you scam other members on a daily basis.....

I think a 200 dollar fee each year, paid by credit card only (makes you a trackable person now, for when you rip someone off) is totally acceptable.

quit whining, the free ride you have enjoyed has dried up... Whaa cry me a river somewhere else.

And Doc, I really can't believe you would be an enabler in a situation like this.

Kenn

Did you miss the 200/month not a year. 200/year is no problem, and I can understand that. 2400 a year is ridiculous for a small vendor, I just hope I could make that much profit in a year.


Also you may want to define what a business is. Is a guy doing this in the part time after his day job be construed as a business? I for instance am part of an LLC?

I don't know what the currency exchange rate in Yen is but they are charging $200.00 per month. $200.00 x 12 months = $2400.00 per year.

That is the rate for the sponsers.

If I am mistaken and it is $200.00 annually, what is the paypal addy I can send my payment to?

Dammit! We were on the same minute but I typed more ;)

Let stop the picking apart now, shall we.

Members that really want to buy something will look at whatever classifieds there are whether it be the main or the sub-forum or the vendor forums.

Kenn, All I have to say is:dunno:,:)

So, you are saying that $200.00 for a annual fee is acceptable to you? Is it acceptable to others? Chime in.

200 a year is not bad, but free was ohh so much better lol.

ugh, no BECAUSE IM NOT A business..Do you even listen to anything that I fucking type. I make no money and im not paying anything. There is NO reason for me to pay a dime when im not making shit. Isnt that simple.

You my friend are a fool, this doesnt effect you and I dont "rip" people off.

I do not sell often enough to get hit by any of this; however I would gladly pay it (if it applied) and would to see some form of payment required to the forum. As I stated before it would be much easier to track said members if they were required to pay via credit card. You would have their mailing data etc as a result verified. This in turn would make it easier to track them when they F*&K someone over. and the requirement to spend money to make money would remove about 80% of the scammers.

I do not think that the regular vendors will approve something as low as 200 for a whole year, when you see what they have to pay. and many of these guys sell as much as the vendors do!

I would think that the vendors should be consulted before setting any form of price.

cheers

Kenn

Doc, sorry about the Jab, just get tired of all the whining from the kiddies

Im getting tired of your retarded insults, especially over an internet forum.. Says alot about you, nice :icon_tup:


I think a good suggestion might to be give us "dealers" a limit of thread per month before you have to pay anything.

this is being discussed...so just calm down...stay on topic

Do you even have any idea what you're talking about or even saying? The people in this thread offering input and suggestions are by no means scammers. We're simply the one's that have been put in to this dubious category of "excessive sellers".


Your insight is pretty pathetic. First of all calling us "kiddies" when it appears that some of us may actually be more intelligent than yourself and actually be able to form a proper argument and follow a coherent train of thought.



Anyways, back to topic, the scammers on this site are generally the NEW members, low-post count members and the infrequently visiting members. If it was the members who sell extensively that were constantly scamming then I'd say the buyers were complete idiots to continue purchasing from said member. Trust me, all it takes is 1-2 genuine complaints about a seller and he's just about done selling, atleast on this particular forum. Some of us would not like this forum to have our CC information on hand. I don't even like business' to keep my CC info on file, so NO that's not a feasible option for all of us and definitely not me!



If you are soooo worried about scamming, then maybe your retarded proposal should be applied to the new members and not the forum members who are actually active on this forum. Besides, a lot of us older members actually have ways to be traced so again it's not necessary to "track us". If anyone should be tracked it should be these new members that pop up everyday and begin selling on the forum. We have NO means of tracing them and it's pretty sad how easily they scam and get away with it. Get your story straight please next time before you decide to post complete nonsense.

This is a FANTASTIC suggestion!


Since, it's not our faults that the rules weren't being properly enforced up until now, why is that we're being held liable for this forums own mistakes?????? Why not atleast tell us how many threads we can have at one time or in month so atleast some of us can see whether or not we actually need to pay. This ambiguity is very sad. There doesn't seem to be a clear criteria that's being used or even enforced.


How do Charlie and I get bunched up with a seller like Fritz Flynn? He's been on this forum selling for 5-6 years now, possibly longer but that's how long I've been here to remember. I only started selling actively within the past year or so. Had I ever this entire time been given one single warning, I would've abided by the rules. We were never granted that courtesy, but instead a judgement was just simply taken on our behalf and now we're in this position.


Why not give us a chance starting now???? Why are we being punished for rules that were suppossed to be enforced by this forum and its mods and weren't??? This policy makes no sense whatsoever. We should atleast start with a clean slate since this policy is just being put into effect. We could be given the proper guidelines and if not followed then be subject to enforcement. Please think this over...

That's actually not very reasonable as you've up until now continually suggested the price would be. $200 is no small amount for being granted a privilege to sell on a free forum. It's actually very high! And can we please not toss around numbers unless they're coming from yourself.


Before we even discuss figures, how about we get some information regarding this subforum? Will we be allowed unlimited selling privileges? No cap on amount of threads posted, bumped, etc.? How is this being set-up, is my question? Based on some of that information we can have a better understanding of what would be a reasonable amount to pay.

This, frankly, sounds like a HELL of a lot of mental gyration to fix something that wasn't broken in the first place.

To IB this was broken. They weren't making enough money :)

The seperate section sounds good to me...


Seems like I would be posting in this new section too.. In my opinion, an INCENTIVE should be offered.

Our economy is headed into a recession and even the goverment is giving us back some of our money.. As a goodfaith offer, IB should offer us something...

A monthly charge sounds fair... how about giving us all a 50% discount for the 1st year?? Say $100.00 a month for the 1st 12 months? Who's to say this site will even be around considering the current USA economic condition...

I'm completely against this "ban" on some of us smaller guys selling. I flip a couple injectors every once and a while. This process starts as I get a couple injectors from other MEMBERS, send them to a well know VENDOR on here to be cleaned and sell them to MEMBERS. The key phrase is "MEMBERS" and if you see it all stays in the circle with the MEMBERS. I also give the VENDOR his moneys worth that he somehow can afford to pay to the forum. I don't make a killing off them! The way I look at it is more so of providing a service and allowing the forum to work its magic that the VENDOR pays for.

As for the comment from "Kenn" about keeping the scammers out... How's that work when the scammers are the guys that come on and make one big sale??? :jerkit:

I say there should rather be a section to established members myself included as I "sell frequently." Now in this section there should be a "cap" to the total sales a month we can have. Perhaps 3-4 sales a month is fair?

To set up this section I would find it fair to have a one time fee to set it up. If we operate outside of our selling arrangement we'll be removed immediately. This would make it much better for the regular members as we're reputable, there's proof of our account as we sent our first time payment from it, and it will keep the regular for sale section clear for all the smaller guys getting bumped out of the way from us "conglomerates."

I'd surely like to find a resolution to this problem. If I can be of further help please let me know. I'm happy someone brought this thread to life as it's been REALLY bothering me for quite some time.

My retarded proposal and an 18 month wonder newb with a sense of entitlement.
 

First I did not point anybody out for a direct insult but since you have tugged on my chain, I will answer you in direct and similiar fashion.... (mind you without the worthless retohric

Your first post is a lie you claim:
"I've been a member of this board for a LONG time now...close to 5-6 years. I only actively started posting a couple years back. "

post count says Aug 2006 which makes 1 and some change, not posting and lurking is totally different from just signed up, IE a non member, so thats a lie, wonder how much more foolishness spews from you? Need me to go further?

Yes, actually I do have an idea, many of the members on this forum who sell a few items occasionally are good honest hardworking people who do not scam, and are as honest in their dealings as they can be. however you are trying to make money without paying the fees associated with either the forum as a dealer, or on a sale forum, IE EBAY, and you waste a moderators time whining that you got caught, stopped and may have to pay some money for it as a result. the forum is not a right its a priveledge, so have a nice day.


as before, I did not point out anybody, I generalised, which may or may not be acceptable in this case, however my gut instinct tells me that I am probably correct due to the thugishness of your reply.

Chances are that this is one of the most inaccurate statements so far, by simple virtue of having lived longer than 95% of the forum members, I can make a general statement like "Kiddies" and its is going to be accurate roughly 95% of the time, hopefully for your sake you are not older than me, if you are, I suggest you enroll in an adults evening class for stress and anger management to deal with your internet related issues.

you said it, MR. less than 18 months on the board new guy who lies about how long he has been a member and sells a lot of stuff on the forum etc. etc. etc......

Hmm do we have experience on other boards in this area?

My friend if they make it a requirement for people who sell over X amount per day/month/year, you would have no choice if you wanted to continue, so drop the false bravado, it gets you nowhere.

I have been scammed twice on this board since I signed on, both by actual long term members, (not >18 month woder newbs with a sence of entitlement) My "proposal" as you call it is far from retarded. An actual business has a lot more data that is held by its business partners than a normal individual including bank routing numbers, business license's, and other ways to track the company for a myriad of reasons, it seems to me that you are really worried about this proposal.

My personal feelings are that you are worried aobut the ability of people to track you if you did something that might be considered wrong. if this data was held by the company, scammers would not have multiple chances to scam, as the credit card would be in their actaul name with a bank name etc. sounds to me like you are worried.....wonder why?

Kenn

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yes charlie, by ME!!!

what we are trying to achive from this thread is to discuss a solution to the issue, there is no point of personal attacks


again, this issue is in discussion, please stay on topic or this thread will be close until a solution is provided.

okie

Mods,

What people are having a problem with is the subjective nature of your opinions. IT would be kinda like letting the police determine when someone is speeding using their own opinion, with no speed limit signs posted.

We are looking for more clearly defined rules that lets people know EXACTLY what they can and cannot do.

Such as (these are just examples off the top of my head, but the numbers do seem reasonable and I would recommend that this be considered as the future selling format):

Individual seller is someone who runs a max of 2 threads per month, which are free. These can be anything you want to sell as long as it is not duplicates (several sets of wheels, several turbo kits, etc.) ANY MEMBER SHOULD BE ALLOWED THEIR FIRST 2 POSTS MONTHLY TO BE FREE, EVEN IF THEY LATER LIST MORE AND QUALIFY AS ONE OF THE ADVANCED/PAID SELLERS LISTED BELOW. Exceeding this bumps you into the next level which is paid access.

Advanced individual seller is someone who wants to step up and run more than 2/month, but less than/equal to 10/month, and is not selling bulk new parts related to a retail business (such as turbo kits, aero parts, wheels, rebuilt engines, etc.). Any used part (duplicates allowed) or any single new part (such as one set of wheels, or one turbo kit) is acceptable. SELLING USED PARTS SHOULD NOT AND DOES NOT MAKE YOU A BUSINESS. This requires a small monthly or yearly paid access. I'd suggest somewhere in the $25-50 per month range.

Business level seller is an advanced individual seller who wants to run more than 10/month, or someone who runs more than 2/month AND sells more than one unique new item at a time. Such as those who sell new oil pan braces, aero parts, sets of wheels, rebuilt engines, clutch kits, etc. This should be paid monthly or yearly access, I'd suggest somewhere in the $75-125/month range.

A few other things to note (my opinions):

-any member of the forum should be allowed 2 free threads per month excluding new duplicate items. If I want to sell an oil pan level sensor for 20 bucks I shouldnt be expected to pay the forum 50 that month.

-if you havent noticed, the rotary scene is slowly getting smaller as the cars age and fewer are on the road, and the average owner is younger and more broke. Selling rotary parts is not exactly a cash cow, nobody is getting rich off of this forum. It is all that I can do these days to make any profit. I likely make less per year then most of you at your regular day jobs. The forum ownership shouldn't be so worried about what money is being made here...it is not millions, I can assure you. $75-125 per month should be more than enough for basic selling priveleges. We are not discussing advertising rights here, such as banners, section sponsorship, vendor sections, signatures, etc. Those could be charged extra for seperately. We are just trying to get access to the classifieds here.

-I do not like the idea of seperate classified sections. Take for example the seperate sections that the vendors hold here already. Like atkins rotary. If someone comes on this forum needing a part, where do they go? The general/individual classifieds. Atkins may have a used airflow meter laying around, but no one goes into their section looking for one...they are looking in the general used parts section. So guess what...atkins is a paying vendor and they lost that sale to joe blow, who isn't. Seems ass backwards, doesnt it? All paying sellers should be allowed use of the same general classifieds section. To divide the sections further will make for more confusion and less traffic for those who are paying members of the forum.

Now, let's see how many people here think these suggestions are reasonable and should be strongly considered as new guidelines. And let's see how quickly they get summarily dismissed by "those who rule". :rolleyes:

But hey...maybe I will be pleasantly surprised and have to admit I was wrong.

i put that idea up for discussion already ......

Kevin - I am with you on what you have suggested here. Some of the numbers could use adjusting but overall would be fair.

If this rule was to go in effect, at least 35-45% of the classifieds in the FC area right now would be considered "Advanced members." Which is not necessarily a bad thing...

Exactly what I pointed out! This will surely let the smaller guys have longer coverage... :icon_tup:

How about the new forum owners/administators ACTUALLY ANSWERING AN INQUIRY. Our sigs were pulled. we were told to cont internetbrands and guess what? NO REPLY. Does this sound like a business plan?

Careful John, Ryan and other mods may say you are bitching and whining. Longtime members are not allowed to make any non-ass-kissing comments in this, or any other section of the forum, or they will be called names in public and be considered a detriment to the general welfare of the forum.

Smartass hillbilly! Your going to get this thread closed again!

explain how this is not clear and can in any way be subjective:

This has been a rule since the board started. It is not an opinion. It is not letting police write a ticket with no speed signs. Every single person reading this thread agreed to that when they agreed to the forum TOS when they became a member.

Now we are working on a way that dealers can also sell. If you are loosing money because you can't post your free ad here, then you probably are a dealer, right?

Here is another one, that there is some major complaints on, because the threads are deleted that don't have it:
Now if it was up too me, there would be no charge what so ever for posting, or a limit, that there would be just a dealer classifieds area... but I don't own the forum, and nobody even pays me to be here, so I am in no position other than to enforce the existing rules and help out for the better good of all members.

So please everyone, bare with the transition of allowing dealers, into some form of classifieds. If you do fall into the dealer classification, remember we are trying to accommodate you, and there are daily discussions on the issue, but Rome was not built overnight.

Kenn,

You entire response was a joke. I won't even take the time out to respond to each individual comment you made because they don't even warrant one. I will say this, watch who you call a newb. If I'm correct, since I've been on here longing then YOU, that would make you the NEWB. :lol2:

I won't go in to details because frankly I don't feel the need to provide you with them, but I was most definitely a member of this forum for 5-6 years now, which is easily more than you. Before you go about spewing more garbage, please make sure you've atleast eaten the right trash, which in your case would be the oh-so useful information you managed to come up with.