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Smitter 03-27-07 02:43 AM

RHD JDM FD's Thumbs up or Thumbs down
 
Just want to conduct a little poll on what u guys think of the RHD fds being imported into Canada now....
i will start by saying i dont like it one bit.........i drive a 94 touring and cant stand the fact that the market may soon be flooded with a bunch of miled out crappers from Japan that take away the prestige of owning one here in Canada.... I would often take pride in the fact that i could be downtown calgary and the chances of seeing a ferrari were greater then coming across another fd. Maybe i am selfish in thinking this but its just the way i feel about it.
so if u wanna take part in this pole simply state... a thumbs up or down....followed by your opinion on the matter.........it would also be helpfull if u said what kinda rx7 u drive........especially if u have a rhd fd.....then of course u can feel free 2 defend yourself and convince myself and any other LHD FD owners why we should not feel threatened....

My Vote:
THUMBS DOWN

7_rocket 03-27-07 07:29 AM

doesnt really bother me.

the_saint 03-27-07 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by 7_rocket
doesnt really bother me.

Ditto.

GoodfellaFD3S 03-27-07 08:48 AM

In my opinion, there are many other things in life that take precedence over something as silly as worrying about this. I think you need to find some healthier ways of self-validation :)

RacerJason 03-27-07 08:49 AM

Fine by me... Hope they don't go ahead with the 25-year thing...

L-Spec 03-27-07 09:01 AM

I've been in the market for an FD for a while now. I've come across four kinda of FDs.
1) Very well taken care of, but with a hefty price tag
2) A peice of shit that shouldn't even be on the road (can be JDM as well)
3) A JDM car

I've spent the last several months looking for a good FD, but any good ones were either too far, or out of my price range. I'm going to my cousin's wedding which is in West Virginia and I wanted to bring up an FD, than a friend who was also in the business of importing vehicles bought an FD at auction and I ended up buying it from him. It's stock, and the only thing mentioned in the inspection was that it had a minor scratch on the fender. I planned on making this my track car, so I didn't need someone's 24,000km FD and.. well you get the idea, so before you judge, this is why I got a JDM car. It doesn't matter if the car is LHD or RHD, and FD is and FD.

That being said, I bought the car because I've owned my LHD FC for a long while now and that's why I was on the hunt for an FD chassis. I think it's safe to say that a majority of people buying these RHD FDs won't know what to do with them the second something goes wrong and what does that mean for us? Only the enthusiasts will be able to keep them on the road (kind of like it is now), except we'll have more parts cars available :)

Although I can see where you're coming from. People only manage to see that bad points of the idea, but hey, if a kid totals his FD, you've got a low mileage twin turbo set up available, see what I mean? Only a handful of people will be able to appreciate what the FD really is, and only those people will know how to take care of them.

My vote... I don't really care.

..and for the record, when I was in Calgary, I've seen three FDs and zero Ferraris :P ..and that's not including the time I went to go see RX-7 Specialties which had four at the time.

turn and burn 03-27-07 09:07 AM

For me, importing an FD is the only way i would be able to afford one of these beautiful cars. The only downside for LHD FD owners is that the increase of RHD car may drop the value of their cars, for them shity,but for me just mean i'm one step closer to owning one.

Crymson 03-27-07 09:14 AM

I like them, because the bigger the community the better.

JDM-FD3S 03-27-07 09:48 AM

I imported a JDM FD3S Type R... It's a pleasure to drive! I normally would not have been able to own one because the asking price for North American models in Ontario was too high.

http://www.jdm-imports.com/vehicles/FD388/n11.jpg
http://www.jdm-imports.com/vehicles/FD388/n13.jpg
http://www.jdm-imports.com/vehicles/FD388/n116.jpg

Football22 03-27-07 10:03 AM

I personally am glad that the JDM FD's are coming over. And like everyone else if it wasn't for JDM FD's I wouldn't have been able to afford one. I was planning on getting myself a fun car this year and started looking in Japan at what I could afford. I was planning on eather getting a puslar GTIR or a Celica GT-4. But once I realised that the FD's were legal this year I was sold on getting one. Ever since I owned my FC I have always wanted to get another RX-7 especially a FD.

I can see how a LHD FD owner could be upset about all of the RHD cars coming over, but the thing is that it still won't lower the price tag of a LHD car by that much. I can garountee that 90% of the people out there would rather drive a LHD car over a RHD car and would pay the extra amount for a LHD car. Another upside for and FD owner with the JDM cars coming over is that if they are POS's it is going to be alot cheaper to get a parts car now. haha.

Arthur Dent 03-27-07 10:22 AM

I think its a good thing - more cars avaliable - JDM ones are priced rather nicely. But I could how it would affect an existing owner's resale. Still a LHD version will likely always get premium money.

RXcetera 03-27-07 10:23 AM

Are RHD FD's from import dealers costing much less than regular FD's in other parts of Canada? In Ottawa, we only have one RHD FD for sale and the place wants 15k for it... and it isnt pretty.

EonBlue 03-27-07 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by JDM-FD3S
I imported a JDM FD3S Type R... It's a pleasure to drive! I normally would not have been able to own one because the asking price for North American models in Ontario was too high.

Wow, gorgeous! Care to share some more info (mileage, etc)?

RXcetera 03-27-07 10:59 AM

I cant see RHD FD's affecting the value of LHD FD's by much if anything. People with money will be willing to pay more for a LHD car instead of settling on a RHD one.

I'm more worried about all the guys who are buying cheap JDM cars to save some money (or couldnt afford a North American FD). If you cant afford to buy this car at 20k, there's no way you can afford to keep it on the road in any kind of decent condition. This is the last car people should be trying to save a buck with. Mazda will rape you with part prices and the FD itself will destroy you with its unreliability.

Let's just say some poor dude lands an FD for 10k from Japan with 90,000km's on it. He thinks he's gotten a deal on a low mileage FD. Problem is they need rebuilds around those kms anyways, so 5k right there for a rebuild. For sure the 5th gear synchros (and probably 1st gear too) are going to be toast on every one of these early FD's, so fixing that will be another 1.5k. That clunking in the back when you go over bumps and the weird feeling you get while turning? That's your rear billow ball bushings... they last about 60,000kms so those will have to be changed (480$). While you're down there, dont forget the engine and diff mounts since they are also guaranteed to be toast (850$). You're already at 7830$.

And that's just the beginning. You'll still havent even checked that 12-8-0 boost pattern, why the engine light is on, why there's a big clunk coming from the front, why the car seems to be running really hot, why there's oil around the turbos, why it stalled 3 times yesterday lol. Oh yeah... and your AST cracked last night and you just overheated you brand new motor :wallbash:

I think I've had mine for too long now lol.

Terrh 03-27-07 11:27 AM

Apparently (And I did NOT see the car myself) - Tiger Japanese Auto Parts in toronto just sold a very very nice type-R for $6700 with a blown motor. They have a few more on the way.

I don't think FD engines only last 90,000KM - that's only 55,000 miles! There are plenty with more milage out there than that. I'm sure some last many fewer KM than that as well, but I can't see why FD engine life would be that much worse on average than FC turbo engine life...
jspecs are $2500... hell, if I could sell my stock motor and trans (which both have under 15,000KM, and motor has perfect compression, trans shifts like butter) for $3500, it would be gone tomorrow. I'd even pull it out.

hell, I've owned a 200,000KM 1st motor FD, and I'm sure it was not the only one.

And if your car still has a poor boost pattern AFTER replacing the motor, you screwed up.



The only problem with JDM FD's is the same problems with north american FD's, except you start with a cheaper car. Ain't nothing wrong with that.

turn and burn 03-27-07 11:48 AM

RXcetera:

10000k+7830=17830

Still cheaper than a LHD FD and its rebuilt.

RXcetera 03-27-07 12:41 PM

Who puts a USED motor in their FD without rebuilding it first?

From everything I have read (and experienced), 60,000 miles is roughly the average engine life of an FD motor. The various reasons for this are posted all over numerous forums. Adding an overseas car with no known history to the mix just makes things worse.



Originally Posted by Terrh
Apparently (And I did NOT see the car myself) - Tiger Japanese Auto Parts in toronto just sold a very very nice type-R for $6700 with a blown motor. They have a few more on the way.

I don't think FD engines only last 90,000KM - that's only 55,000 miles! There are plenty with more milage out there than that. I'm sure some last many fewer KM than that as well, but I can't see why FD engine life would be that much worse on average than FC turbo engine life...
jspecs are $2500... hell, if I could sell my stock motor and trans (which both have under 15,000KM, and motor has perfect compression, trans shifts like butter) for $3500, it would be gone tomorrow. I'd even pull it out.

hell, I've owned a 200,000KM 1st motor FD, and I'm sure it was not the only one.

And if your car still has a poor boost pattern AFTER replacing the motor, you screwed up.



The only problem with JDM FD's is the same problems with north american FD's, except you start with a cheaper car. Ain't nothing wrong with that.


JDM-FD3S 03-27-07 12:55 PM

Well I am aware of the costs to rebuild; but my FD3S with 88K is not showing any of the problems described. It really depends on who you are buying the FD from and what kind of condition it is in; just like any car.

Neo 03-27-07 02:22 PM

Rxcetera probably has owned an FD longer than anyone else I know.
So he's been through everything, at least twice! lol

Personally, I don't mind the RHD cars. What I do mind is all these young inexperienced drivers getting ahold of a car they have no business owning. I guess it's the "prestiege" of owning such a vehicle. They care about obtaining the car as cheap as possible. What they don't know is the cost of maintenance for this vehicle is very high.

I hope most of these RHD cars end up in responsible hands....

M-SPEC 03-27-07 02:40 PM

I love my JDM RX7, Japanese cars rock, they have super low K's no rust any where, they are built to higher performance specs, and cost half the price. If there was a RX7 here with 50,000 original K's on it, no rust, yellow, racing mags and lots of performance mods for $10,000 I would of bought it in a heart beat... hell even for $20K you will have a hard time finding one here.

also a 90,000 K Canadian model will still need the same maitenance as a 90,000 K JDM model, Japanese cars have to go through "shaken" a strick saftey inspection every 2 years where CAD models do not.

So they way I see it, if you really want a LHD FD you will pay big dollars for it and it will hold its value. For me I dont car about the resale value, I care about the car and the performance and the fun you can have with it. my $10K RHD FD now has an extra $10K I can spend on modifications now.

either way, Im just happy I have an FD

nik 03-27-07 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by M-SPEC
, they are built to higher performance specs,

What is this about?


I think people are missing the point, the upkeep cost of these cars(FD in general) is far higher than a non turbo FC for example.

As for the poll, I have no problem with these cars hitting the shores. Hopefully it will result in more/cheaper used parts as well.

85rotarypower 03-27-07 03:26 PM

I don't personally own an FD as I could never afford one, from Canada. Sorry to all the owners of LHD canadian FD's, but they are grossly overpriced over here. For the amount of money you need to put into the car, you can make a FB or FC just as fast or faster and more reliable. At 20K for an OK 80K KM FD, its just not worth it for me. On the other hand, you can import a good JDM FD for about 10K in the same mileage range.

maxg765 03-27-07 03:35 PM

Rhd
 
Hello,

Can someone please tell me what the H*LL "JDM" stands for? I know it means a Japanese car hence the J for Japan but, whats the D and M for. M for Motor vehicle maybe?

Now to this thread.

Originally I was 100% thumbs down. I liked not seeing many FD's here in Canada (I don't own one). In my opinion the less of something the more its prestigeous it is. Canada and US got a certain amount of FD's and they have held thier value. Especially if its a well maintained low KMs car. So, my first reaction was these RHD JDM cars are like knock off's for alot cheaper, thus cheapening the FD model.

Now, I've read many of the comments, and some do swade me a little like, "the more of these cars on the road the more awarness there will be" and the many of "if it were not for these JDM's I could not afford an FD".

I guess if you don't mind the RHD then power to you. I myself, when I will make the move to buy an FD it will only be a LHD and I will seek the lowest KMs car I could find in its most stock form. I will be willing to pay for it as well. All I will need to do is get a front plate and write "LHD" on it kind of like a lable for a designer pant or something like that - lol.

So my thoughts now are 60% Thumbs Down as I still prefer the FD to remain as a unique car but I no longer mind other having the RHD's. Just please drive them repsonsibly as they can kill you, I've seen it happen. Its not that these cars are unsafe but rather that they seem to have no limits where we and our roads do. As young onwers now can afford them this does create a danger. I would not let my kid at any age of less than 23 have a super car which is what this car can be.

regards

Max

dradon03 03-27-07 03:41 PM

It isn't all about mileage and mods.

First I see alot of modified Japanese cars, but tastefully modified rarely.
Also wear and tear cannot be defined by mileage alone. Maintenance and general use are important. Fact is that in Canada I am sure there is alot more time spent on highways for the Japanese and when you are on the highway as anyone in Toronto or Montreal area should know you are racking up the miles.

I am for this Japanese car thing because I beleive the people with 10,000k FD most of them which have had a quick respray before the boatride are in for a heck of a surprise later on down the road. Suffice to say that it is not stock brokers on Bay street who are buying JDM FD's.

I think I have spent 1,700$ in OEM parts this year alone and that is with hefty discounts from Ray Crowe and Adam.

So yeah let the JDM FD's come more parts. Ohh last thing to think about in Japan when they need an FD part they can goto the junkyard here they can't even go to a dealer most of the time!

jojodotcom 03-27-07 05:49 PM

i don't really mind either, as long as the people who bring these RHD FD in are RX-7 enthusiasts~

The only reason why I don't like the idea of these RHD FD coming is because some ppl will import these cars just because they drive on the other side and because they've seen it in "Initial D", and these FD's will get mistreated and abandoned once something goes bad~

Ctrl 03-27-07 06:54 PM

I don't know how a RHD FD is setup up, but I did notice one thing I didn't like driving a RHD Alfa Romeo 155 TS last month.

I found out the hard way that I could not signal and shift at the same time since the signals were on the left side of the steering wheel. Having been used to shifting with the right hand and being able to signal with the left at the same time,
I felt totally handicapped as a driver not being able to do something I'd done a thousand times before.

RXcetera 03-27-07 08:57 PM

Well, if it's like my Savanna, the signal is on the right side of the wheel... which means you'll be turning on your wipers every time you try to signal in a "regular" car.

As someone who has a RHD RX-7, I cant stand sitting on the wrong side of the car... the attention it gets is very annoying especially when you're stopped beside another car at a light. But that's just me. I'm sure alot of people crave that kind of thing.

RXcetera 03-27-07 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by maxg765
Can someone please tell me what the H*LL "JDM" stands for? I know it means a Japanese car hence the J for Japan but, whats the D and M for. M for Motor vehicle maybe?

Japan Domestic Market


Originally Posted by maxg765
I guess if you don't mind the RHD then power to you. I myself, when I will make the move to buy an FD it will only be a LHD and I will seek the lowest KMs car I could find in its most stock form. I will be willing to pay for it as well.

I agree 100%. It's the same situation in the UK. LHD cars imported from germany/france are cheap whereas the same car in RHD commands a premium.

DeAd-EyE 03-27-07 11:37 PM

My two cents for what theey are worth are as follows:

1) more FD's in canada the better..more ownership options for potential people and more potential track cars that won't have to be made from cannibalized LHD FD's.
2) In the not too distant future i will own two FD's. One Bone stock restoration/collector grade car which will be LHD. My second car will be a done to the tits with every mazdaspeed/amemiya part imaginable tuner performance car. I will use a RHD car for that since I dont want to cannibalize a good condition LHD car.

Keep the LHD's more or less stock...modify the RHD's to your heart's content is my opinion. RHD cars were made in vastly greater numbers.

thats just my personal opinion...i'm sure 9/10 will disagree.

cheers

HUGH 03-28-07 12:10 AM

free shipping
 
What?? and miss the chance to get free shipping on my spare parts!! I think its great that the uneducated masses continue to bring in as many rhd cars as possiable. Results in a better chance for me to find parts locally. Keep 'em rollin!!

Alak 03-28-07 01:33 AM


Originally Posted by HUGH
What?? and miss the chance to get free shipping on my spare parts!! I think its great that the uneducated masses continue to bring in as many rhd cars as possiable. Results in a better chance for me to find parts locally. Keep 'em rollin!!


I agree. More JDM = POTENTIALLY More Accidents = Potentially many many more parts. Or people just bring over complete crap and scrap it.

I myself wont do RHD for simple reasons:

Seats are Smaller.
Seat doesnt go back as far.
Have to tilt head in some cases to avoid roof.
And being on the RH side of a car in a LHD country can be a pain in the ass sometimes. For example, my arms are not long enough for take out windows....

charr33 03-28-07 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by JDM-FD3S
Well I am aware of the costs to rebuild; but my FD3S with 88K is not showing any of the problems described. It really depends on who you are buying the FD from and what kind of condition it is in; just like any car.

Good point. My engine didn't show any of the "problems described" either. Right up until it decided that coolant was more fun to burn than petrol...

Everyone knows the FD engine bay is hotter than hell. Stuff will eventually fail. Maybe not at 88k, (seems 125k is a pretty common number) but it WILL fail.

So here's the deal. Given two cars in a car lot, side by side. One JDM RHD FD for $10,000, and one LHD Canadian FD for $20,000, similar KM's and mods, might as well take the JDM (if you can handle driving on the wrong side of the car...).
That makes sense, and I don't think people are arguing that.

BUT I believe the main point a lot of people are making is directed at the prospective JDM buyers who are saying they cannot afford a LHD FD, and that these "cheap" RHD FD's are the answer to their prayers. If you cannot afford a $20k car, you probably cannot afford a JDM FD either.

Sure if you take $20k and add the cost of a rebuild and reliability mods lets bump it to $30k. And take the JDM car and bump it to $20k. Still a $10k difference, but I think the idea is that anyone who cannot afford a $30k car is likely in a certain income bracket which would not allow them to spend $10k fixing a car. Nor would they be able to buy a second car as a winter beater (unless its a real beater...*cough*...Neo...*cough*...*Mazda3*...)

If money is so tight that $10k makes it or breaks it, then this isn't the car for you. Because you realize that even after you have the motor rebuilt, there is no guarentee that it will not give out 2 years later...Maybe a bad rebuild, or maybe you overheated the engine sitting in traffic in 100 degree weather...

I still say the best deal on a used FD is one that has been recently rebuilt and already has the basic mods on it. You will pay less than a pristine stock FD because collectors want stock, not modded. But if you are not a collector, and were going to mod the car anyways...

I personally don't care if more JDM FD's come to Canada. If I see you driving one, I will waive. But don't buy this car for the sole reason of "because I can".

Oh and don't forget to tack on $90 for the mandatory CAA Plus membership...

Mazdabation 03-28-07 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by charr33

Oh and don't forget to tack on $90 for the mandatory CAA Plus membership...

HAHA so true! make sure its the gold membership for multiple tows, gold baby gooooold!

M-SPEC 03-28-07 03:30 PM

I think there is a few misconceptions here about JDM RX7s , for some reason many people feel that they are beat up mechanically and have not been cared for at all , that is just plain wrong , like I have said they have a hardcore inspection every 2 years
http://www.navi.go.jp/english/profil...on/block1.html
40% of all Canadaian cars would fail this if they went through it. Some people think they just go down to junk yard to get parts B.S. would you go down to a junk yard to pull a cheap chevy part or just go over to the parts store a buy a cheap brand new part, don’t forget they are a domestic in Japan, some one said the JDM's are like a "knock off".... really I think it is the other way around.
Both imported and local FD's are not the best in reliability but that’s Mazda, it has nothing to do with where it came from, it has to do with how the previous owner took care of it.
I’ve personally imported 8 cars and trucks and can tell you for a fact that every one was in far better shape than most 15 year old cars here, so instead of just speculating and saying they are crap just because they are half the price, ask your self this why are so many people importing them..... it’s not initialD, its not stupid kids, you think banks give out loans for a 15 year old car ..you have to pay cash, do you think an enthusiast sends his cash half way around the world and waits 2-3 months to bring in a POS crappy car.... you all better think again

Alak 03-28-07 03:38 PM

Most cars go into auction because they cant pass the mandatory inspection. They are either too far modified, or perhaps in very poor condition. Dont get me wrong, I've seen some fabulous cars come out of Japan in the same condition as it was the day the first owner picked it up.

The misconception is that alot of kids think they can buy a $5000 FD and that everything is alright. That it will be streetable on arrival, in some cases yes. That they can hook up NOS and put a big single on it. I sold my skyline because there were about 30 kids here that did exactly that with skylines. Mine was in wicked condition. But parked next to 10 peices' with more 'mods', it was crap. Theirs were faster and had bigger turbos, etc. But nobody ever notices the duct tape holding the doors on.


I think 9 times out of 10, you get what you pay for.

StarScreaM2k1 03-28-07 03:50 PM

Another thing is RHD is more prone to accidents in Canada, especially on a left hand turn. Sometimes i gotta stick my headout the window to make sure. Saving a few grand is great, however with the increased % of being accident prone, insurance with it is harder and sometimes they wont even insure it fully because its a JDM car. Theres alot more hassles as i see it with a RHD Car, the WOW factor is great and all but it does eventually wear off or start to bother you.

Also alot of the FD's that are being imported are 1992's first year of FD's in Japan. I find it ironic that 90% of the cars from Japan are "low KM's" yet drifting and all that is more popular there, it just doesnt make sense. I would figure they have more KM's OR they are pushed harder which the KM's wont tell you, only hearing and driving the car. But thats just aside note. I cant remember there was something i was reading on importing cars and something about Airbags and it was causing alot of ppl to have trouble importing, gotta be careful of that.

I dont have a problem with RHD cars in Canada, just dont be a jackass with them and endup crashing them. I can see how its easier to obtain one of the RHD FD's here based on price over a LHD one, however as alot have already said the maintence alone is a big reason why they shouldnt buy it, the inital buy is cheap but the rest OMG! But i can see how one would wanna go with a RHD FD over a LHD FD for sheer initial price and the "wow" factor, just be ready for the cops to pull you over, they are becoming bigger jackasses with "street racing" and the added fact of bring RHD i can see that becoming a bit of a sign to "hey lets pull him over see if his shit is right" and godforbid you have some mods like an exhaust they gonna have a fieldday!

Ctrl 03-28-07 06:15 PM

When I drove a RHD it was on right hand roads (Germany) and I didn't notice a darned bit of difference making left turns. You either know how big the car you're driving is, or you don't....and if the latter, you're a danger to us all.

Smitter 03-28-07 06:28 PM

well so far the general consesus seems to be that most guys want rhd jdm fds so they can have more parts availabilty for our lhd fds....i suppose that is one good thing about them

for u guys who say u are buying rhd fds because they are cheaper and u can not afford an overprice lhd fd....u are in for a big shocker when it comes time to pick up the maintenance bills for these cars aswell as just filling them at the pumps.....they require premium fuel remember......mine cost 70 bucks to fill the other day($1.06 per/l) an i will be lucky if that lasts me 5 days......i might get 400kms to a tank of fuel if i a bady the car........but i dont baby it........its way to much fun not 2......

for the people who think its an attraction getter 2 be driving on the rhd side of the car.....think again........people arent in aww when they see that.......its like seeing a kid with no arms.......u are just drawn to look and feel sorry for them..

i do believe the government has some kind of legislation in the works that is soon to ban the importing of these rhd cars? so hopefully u guys who already have them will be exempt from this law....or your 10,000 fd will all but be for the track.

Ctrl 03-28-07 06:34 PM

I hope they allow grandfathered cars.

M-SPEC 03-28-07 07:27 PM

Smitter , do you really think its poor kids who are importing cars, I’m sure there is lots of 16- 21 year olds with 10-15K in cash sitting around. Your talking about been shocked at the price to fill it up, gas money is cheap compared to how much real tuners spend on their cars my skyline has over 25K worth of parts on it and it still is not close being done.

and NO there is no way if they change the import rule we will not be able to drive or insure our cars that’s absolutely ridiculous, I have no idea where you guys are hearing this from but it is 100% wrong, have a look

http://www.ivoac.ca

I honestly don’t think I will be back to this site, there is just so much ignorance when it comes to JDM RX7s, it really does not make any JDM owner feel welcome here.

so see ya at the track

Smitter 03-28-07 07:36 PM

easy m-spec...
any rx7 owner is a friend of mine weather it is rhd or lhd. i clearly said "the general consensus" (not my consensus) i do not know any owners of a rhd rx7.....if i did i might geer him a bit.....but at the end of the day he would still b my friend.......
all the power to u and your abilty to spend money on your rhd cars, but when people post on here that a rhd car is all they can afford (u clearly dont fall into this category) maybe they should think twice about buying and fd.....cause there is alot more to be paid out then the original purchase price...

after 10 mins of looking at the link provided i saw nothing that said the government cant and will not change legislation banning these cars.......u can safety them all u want.....but the most dangerous part about them is the fact that the steering wheel is on the wrong side.......and that cannot be changed

Ctrl 03-28-07 08:59 PM

RHD more dangerous? I can only see one scenario, namely, passing on the left in an oncoming traffic lane. Why not just legislate RHD can only pass in a passing lane of the same direction? Problem solved...

To say RHD is more dangerous making left hand turns is to say a LHD is more dangerous making right hand turns,...which is at least 50% of all turns in a LHD.

The whole arguement is bogus.

Terrh 03-28-07 11:10 PM

left hand turns in an RHD cars are probably slightly more dangerous, but not much.
Wanna see better? DON'T TAILGATE THEN!

Or, spend $1500 on a dash and steering rack/column, and make yours LHD. woot. I suppose then you "only" save $8500.

as far as good "RHD" websites, gtrcanada.com is probably the best forum for RHD cars, regardless of make and model.


-- Daniel

LHD FD3S owner.

Football22 03-28-07 11:13 PM


Originally Posted by smitter113fd
easy m-spec...
any rx7 owner is a friend of mine weather it is rhd or lhd. i clearly said "the general consensus" (not my consensus) i do not know any owners of a rhd rx7.....if i did i might geer him a bit.....but at the end of the day he would still b my friend.......
all the power to u and your abilty to spend money on your rhd cars, but when people post on here that a rhd car is all they can afford (u clearly dont fall into this category) maybe they should think twice about buying and fd.....cause there is alot more to be paid out then the original purchase price...

after 10 mins of looking at the link provided i saw nothing that said the government cant and will not change legislation banning these cars.......u can safety them all u want.....but the most dangerous part about them is the fact that the steering wheel is on the wrong side.......and that cannot be changed

I am one of the people who said that if it wasn't for a JDM FD that I wouldn't be able to afford a FD. This doesn't mean that I don't have the money for a Canadian FD, its just that between having a office bill, a mortgage, and a truck payment that I couldn't justify spending 14-20grand on a car that I am only going to drive on nice days about 6 months out of the year. But since my car only cost me 8 grand I can justify that, this way if the car does break down I only have 8 grand into a car that I can't drive right away, also this gives me more money to put into the car to try and ensure that it doesn't break down.

I can see where m-spec is coming from. There seems to be alot of people in here that eather lack knowledge of JDM cars and seem to think that they know all, or people that just hate the idea of JDM cars. Although there are a decent amount of people that respect them, it seems like its the people who don't have respect for them that have to voice their opinions. I don't see the big deal, the RHD FD's are going to come over here no matter who buys them. At least with people like m-spec buying the cars you know that the car is going to someone who respects the car and has knowledge of them. Unlike the 90% of the people who buy skylines.

Alak 03-29-07 01:58 AM

I think it all boils down to one thing.

Driver/Owner Preferance.

You want a JDM go for it. I wanted one. I had one. And the novelty wore off pretty quick. Would I buy another one? Perhaps if that car was only availiable in RHD (Like a British Motorcar, or Skyline). Or perhaps someday I will have a JDM FD.

If your dumb enough to crash your own car, you had it coming. I know a guy thats on his 4th car. He wrote off a brand new (at the time) STi, A GTR, A 180SX and now I donno if hes even driving.

Im just sick of seeing wrecks that barely pass OOP on the road. And that goes for any make/model. Its like helplessly watching them crush good RX-7's at the wrecking yard.

Boost_Creep 03-30-07 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by Ctrl
RHD more dangerous? I can only see one scenario, namely, passing on the left in an oncoming traffic lane. Why not just legislate RHD can only pass in a passing lane of the same direction? Problem solved...

To say RHD is more dangerous making left hand turns is to say a LHD is more dangerous making right hand turns,...which is at least 50% of all turns in a LHD.

The whole arguement is bogus.

LHD is dangerous making a right hand turn??? huh??? Do you mean a LHD car in Japan making a right turn? If you mean in North America, that makes no sense.

Anyways, what about in an intersection and the opposite traffic is also making a left turn as well. If you are in a RHD car, good luck as being in a LHD already has problems seeing around cars/trucks. When I drove a RHD car I just ended up making 3 right turns. Didn't feel like taking a risk of having a vehicle going through my door or holding up traffic until the light change.

I'm not a fan of RHD but have mixed feelings as I love some of the cars that you can't get here. I would not buy one unless it's a stupid good deal for a car that is not found on these shores (like a Lancia Delta Integrale or Ford Escort Cosworth RS for an example). With that said, it would be in a track/fun car role and not a daily driver.

rx7racerca 03-30-07 04:45 PM

I'm for the JDM cars, even though my preference would be for a LHD. They increase the "presence" or awareness of the cars here - I do see more Ferraris than FD's in Calgary - just a couple Sundays back, on a nice day while eating in a restaurant on 17th SW, I saw a Testarossa, a 348tb, and a f430 - not all together, mind you, but over an hour and a half. I don't believe I've seen an FD yet this calendar year. I don't particularly subscribe to the notion that these cars are being bought by "kids" who know them only from InitialD; mainly they seem to be going into the hands of enthusiasts and "in-the-know" types - the great unwashed masses simply aren't aware of the opportunities JDM's represent for GENERALLY, though of course not always, good condition/low km cars - and if it saves 10k over an otherwise comparable LHD FD, I can totally see how a person might think that's money well-saved, given that these cars have a reputation for expensive maintenance and repairs - that would be the thing that makes me most receptive to the idea. And it increases the potential pool of parts cars for damaged and broken cars generally.

RHD does have real drawbacks both in passing on single-lane highways, and LH turns - unlike a right turn, you're turning across traffic. Seeing around a truck for passing without already being across the centre line, or seeing past the car or truck in the opposing left-turn bay to know what's coming straight thru an intersection could be extra-challenging. Not a terrible danger, but definitely something to be aware and cautious of.

TwinJDMSnails 03-30-07 06:33 PM

I picked up a JDM Car
main reason.. availability
I couldn't find a FD in Vancouver if i tried.
Its making its way across the ocean as we speak : )
92 Type R - Black on Black
Mazdaspeed exhaust, Rays Engineering Te37s
82,000k

I might be a "kid" to some of you guys at the age of 20, but i pull in around 2300 or so after tax a month, with no bills. Hopefully this will be enough to cover the rx7
worse comes to worse i still have my civic lol

black93RX7 03-31-07 06:41 PM

Personally I dont like RHD's and would prefer if they were not imported into Canada.

Mainly because I like having a rare car and hate seeing the market flooded with JDM RHD's.

I have met several people who either have or are planning on buying one. Some of them are younger and probably have no idea what they are getting themselves into.

My car costs $70 to fill and am lucky if it lasts 250km, granted mine is heavily modified, it still doesnt change the fact these cars require alot of care and maintenance.

And by the way, CAA will not tow a modified car, I recomend buying an 18ft trailer, mine has come in handy on many occasions.

I guess Im just selfish and would prefer to keep my car as unique as possible.

Terrh 03-31-07 08:50 PM

CAA's towed my modifiied cars several times.


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