I've been an emissions inspector for many years now and I'm sick of seeing people post incorrect information about the system.

Now, I've been a beta tester for the new modernized emissions testing system for almost a year and in hopes of avoiding some confusion when the new system takes effect on January 1st, I figured I'd take some initiative and post this article, which ran in the Wheels section of the Toronto Star back on November 10th. This article provides the best explanation, in plain english, of the new testing procedures that I have found so far.
Wheels.ca – Act fast on Drive Clean loophole


A lot of the information won't apply to our RX-7's, but it is useful for those of us with daily drivers.


Enjoy.

 

So what about people who have standalones? OR a piggyback setup?

My integra has met and exceeded emission standards with a check engine light on for years. Now with this new system my car is not "fit" yet supported documentation yields that according to Ontario's standards, my car is clean?

 

People who have a 1999 or newer vehicle, who have standalones, will not pass, because there is no VIN associated with the standalone, therefore the emissions test machine can't verfiy the vehicle being tested. Piggy back shouldn't matter unless it effects the sensors not being ready. So any year vehicle before 1999 in won't apply. They all get two speed idle tests.

 

So the dyno is gone now, but will two speed tests be better or worse for us?

 

this new system is some bullshit..................................

 

How the hell are they gonna test a S4 Rx7 (1988 in this case) that is not ODB compatable?
Tail pipe test only?
dyno? and sniffer?

 

Well that is what I am wondering... My S4 convertible does not have no OBD whatsoever so either they exempt older rotaries or start making new rules with that pixie dust they've been using since late 90's

 

1998 and newer, but otherwise you're correct.

Yes, the dyno is gone as of January 1st. Whether or not a two speed idle test will be better or not for us, ultimately depends on the vehicle. Two speed idle tests don't test for NOx if that helps answer your question.

All RX-7's will get a tail pipe/sniffer/two speed idle test.


In my opinion the new system is no where near as far along as it needs to be to be fully implemented in 3 weeks. There are still tons of testing scenarios that have not been taken into consideration by the Ministry and when I express my concerns about these, I'm told, "We'll worry about it when we come across it" or, "Test it on the 'old' system", but their time is running out to figure this all out.

So, I guess the point of that little rant is this... If you have questions or concerns about the new system, call the Ministry and tell them. Also, if you're concerned your vehicle will fail the new system, test it before January 1st.

 

Third paragraph from the bottom from that article explains how 1988 to 1997 vehicles are tested.

 

does this effect the hotrod rule?

 

Very informative, thanks for posting this Maverick

 

two speed idle test is bad for us. Rotaries idle poor and rich. )I'm assuming it will be bad for us.

 

This is why I bought an FB. 1985 emission exempt.

 

E85 meow

thewird

 

^ This. Couldn't get my FD to pass. But as soon as they put it on the dyno, it passed.

 

Marco, where can you get E85 in Ontario? I was looking at converting my Cougar to it and the only place I could buy some was from the VP dealer at huge money and it was not very handy.

If I could find a place that sells to the average person, I would convert that car for sure. The 2 stations that carry it in Ontario are not allowed to sell to consumers.

Eric

 

There will still be a Hot Rod and Grey Market rule. The way that it was explained to me was that the vehicle owner will have to contact the Ministry before going in for the test and provide them with sufficient evidence (receipts or work orders) that the vehicle in question meets specialty vehicle status. If you are granted specialty vehicle status, you then go in for the test and inform the inspector. The inspector then has to contact the Ministry and if everything checks out the Ministry will allow the inspector to proceed with a specialty vehicle test.

Something else of interest, the Moderized Emissions System comes with a camera and a series of photos are taken of the vehicle being tested.

 

such a god dam pain to just drive a car these days... between insurance , e tests , gas ...there always seems to be some rich no good piece of work thinking in his little head what else can i do this year to screw ppl and make it next to impossible in some cases to even drive a car/truck

 

One Jet plane taking off pollutes more then I can in my entire life running any rotary!

 

i agree with IAN! ^ this new etest is pure bull ****.

 

So I guess the shady fake tests where you give a guy you know an extra 150 to forge some papers for you will be a little trickier that was probably my only hope for my car

 

Originally Posted by maverick_0111 View Post

Something else of interest, the Moderized Emissions System comes with a camera and a series of photos are taken of the vehicle being tested.
.................
that is going a bit overboard...so they get rid of the dyno and spend money on "surveillance equipment"?
...should ask SIRI how I can get an Rx7 To Pass emissions.

 

If your rotary isn't your daily driver. Just drive around with an expired sticker. The fine is $110 dollars if you get caught.

The key phrase is if you get caught.

If you drive your rotary 1 weekend every weekend in the summer time and put it away in the winter. The chances are not very high.

Insurance doesn't care if your car has an up to date plate or not.

Not that I condone this, but if you weigh the risk versus cost... and your rotary is missing every single piece of emissions equipment... Might as well roll the dice.

 

"key phrase is if you get caught."
NO offense but that is Crap.

I just had a six pack of Beer,so if I burp, am I sober enough to drive?
If I don't hit anyone, is it legal?
May as well not pay for insurance either because you don't intend on hitting anyone..Or getting hit because you are a "good driver".
Driving is a privilege.It's not about if you can get away with it.
It pisses me off to see someone driving around with an expired sticker after I have paid my "dues" to be able to have the right to drive on the roads of this country.
I'm Not an Angel,but at the same time I am not gonna put a target on my back saying Come and get me.
If I wanted Crap in my life I would live next to the Sewage plant.

 

so that means you

a.) Have never ever exceeded the posted speed limit ever?
b.) your rx7 has it's full and original emissions equipment working?
c.) You come to an absolute complete stop at every single stop sign since the day you received your driver's license?
d.) You come to an absolute stop at a red light in the right turn light prior to making a right turn sign since the day you received your driver's license?

If you can honestly say you are 100% by the book then yes, I agree with your view point. But if any of the above questions you can not honestly say you oblige by, then are you not really just a hypocrite?