damn, what are the odd's...?

:AA:

::grabs cock and popcorn::

common sense failed joo.

Actually, it's NOT! You made him waste his time and effort to resell parts he never should have had to. Had you refunded him in the first place you would've never been in this situation and both parties would've been better off.


What I'm really having trouble with is understanding why you'd push him to post this thread:confused:? You stated that you let your shippers box everything up. If that's the case then why not file a claim when Kevin received the parts and noticed the damaged items? This would've solved both your problems if that was really the case.


Also, claiming that chewed up turbine fins is no big deal is a pretty uneducated comment. Shouldn't you atleast let the buyer decide?




P.S. I've never met, dealt or even talked to Kevin so -1 for "sack-chasin''" or whatever you'd like to call it.....

I don't even wanna know why you're readin' this thread, eating popcorn and grabbing "cock" :shocking:

I gave kevin GREAT customer service by responding to his PMs ASAP, working with what i personally thought was fair, and gave the best refund i could without completely losing my ass. He didnt waste his time, he is in this forum ALL the time selling parts, it really didnt hurt him to be on there 10 minutes longer to make the thread, and another minute each time to respond to the PMs. There was no effort, everything was sold in 2 days. Why wouldnt i push him to post? i wasnt going to deal with him sitting there making little comments all over when he thinks he had something...he doesnt have anything. This isnt a questionable transaction, this is a kevin landers didnt get the deal of a lifetime as he hoped and is whining about it. The turbo is NOT blown, it is damaged, NOT blown. Obviously his ways of solving it were in his favor, who doesnt want it that way, i gave him what i thought was the best and more fair refund.

If it were so easy to sell those parts individually, then why did you refuse to have any part of it? Because you knew it'd be a pain in the ass. It took me almost a month to get rid of everything. I also had to put several hours into listing, answering questions, making shipping labels, packing items, and trips to UPS that I would not otherwise have had to do. TIME IS MONEY, and I lost both no matter how you look at it.

Yes, I offered to take a $100 loss if you'd refund most of my money and the deal would have been done, I could have shipped your junk back to you and you could have dealt with selling the shit yourself.

Instead, I STILL took a $100 loss, PLUS I had to expend time and resources to recoup the rest of my investment by selling off the other junk.

As I stated above, you did stay in communication. I would hardly call our discussions and your offer "great customer service" though. :rolleyes:

You say I wanted something for nothing? I only expected what was advertised, a working turbo kit with no issues, but I did not get it. The manifold was the only piece with no issues. The downpipe was hack, the wastegate was improperly installed and had broken air nipples, and the turbo was not useable. What...you think I want to contaminate my engine's oil supply with particles of bearing and shaft material from a destroyed turbo?

Tell me...exactly how efficient can a turbo be when 15% of it's fin mass is chewed away, thrown out of balance, and the compressor wheel is rubbing the housing (you can see material being chewed away on the fin on the right side of the pic above)? That's like saying that a car is perfectly driveable if the wheel is lodged up in the fender well and rubbing as you drive. "Ah, fuck it, it can still get up to 60mph, so it must be okay, no matter how it looks or sounds. Don't be such a perfectionist". :uhh:

Trying to defend your point of view in this thread is like trying to keep the titanic afloat with a 5 gallon bucket. Have fun.

No very many people are taking your side kevin, im sure you would be surprised if you knew how many people on this forum though the way i do of you. You may know your motors, but you sure as hell dont have mine, or anyone i talk to about motors buisness. How can you deny good customer service, i regret sending you that money back...

You keep trying redirect the attention onto Kevin. Why is that? If he in fact asked you to take the parts back minus the $100....why didnt you man up and do the right thing? Simple question. Why?



instead you posted this like he never asked you to take back the parts....




Hell..even the video showed you that turbo was toast even before taking it apart.

http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/kl...o/DSCF2643.AVI

Guess your next excuse/question is...."how do i know thats the turbo i sent him!?" Sorry man....i dont care how many people you know on the forum...your deal was bull$hit and you know it.

Well i have to tell you, why would i claim that isnt the turbo i sent? I can see its the same thing. You really did just make yourself look like a complete moron...

instead you posted this like he never asked you to take back the parts....

so that is saying that i am stating that kevin never asked me to take the parts back, correct? Then you quote my statement that sais...

All the parts have been sold, that is where kevin is out the $100 he claimed. I WILL BE POSTING HIS PMS SHORTLY WHERE HE STATED HE WOULD TAKE THE $100 HIT IF I TOOK THE STUFF BACK, $100 is $100, now or then is the same thing. We will let some people read both sides...

Ok, now read the caps locked part. That is saying that kevin stated in a PM i will be posting that if i took the parts back, he was willing to take the hit. In short, he asked to take the parts back. Nobody likes to lose money, i know for sure i dont. So why would i lose money off a deal, that i was attempting to make money off of? But kevin is expecting obviously to not lose money, which i cant blame him for, but one of us had to, my offer made it as little as possible. But as usual, you dont see me making a post "Kevin landers, questionable transaction". There was nothing questionable about this.

goomba-What is the RIGHT thing? Is the right thing for ME to lose money? Of course you are on kevins side, who isnt on these forums? I mean if i did rebuilds for next to nothing, i would have people flocking over me too. So you are implying that the RIGHT thing would be for me to have accepted kevin to take the turbo back. Im just as tired of responding to this as anyone else. Ill put up this offer, i am not a theif, i am NOT a scammer, and i am NOT a bad seller. I will split the difference of what kevin lost. I will paypal him $53(including paypal fee) He is out $50, and i am barly breaking even.

Sorry....Kevin's never done any work for me. Your comment there pretty much summed it up. Good luck on trying to sell anything on this forum in the future kid. :jerkit:

Thanks for the encouraging words :)

Don't sit here and act like you are going to bring forth some revelation...I have clearly stated this several times already.

Why should I have had to lose money? You were the seller. You made the statements about the condition of the turbo. You packed and shipped the items. The world holds the SELLER responsible for these things. As the buyer, all I should have had to do was SIT BACK AND WAIT FOR MY PARTS TO SHOW UP, IN THE CONDITION STATED. IT's not my responsibility to worry about how much money I will be losing, nor is it my responsibility to sell your junk parts and recover my investment because you are too lazy to.

IF you had sent a "parts are sold without warranty, no refunds given" disclaimer before the money changed hands then you would have a valid reason to say the things you say.

LOL, this thread is too funny and pointless......

Landers: You get what you pay for, he took the pics that you requested and stood by the sale the entire time. What do you expect for 700 bucks?? He didnt know that the turbine wheel was chewed up, he pulled it off in working condition. He also took money off the intial asking price with the turbo having shaft play, 400 none the less.

Riz: This guy isnt a scammer, take it from me.:icon_tup: You have no idea of the situation, talk to him on the side and get the real story. In my mind he is by far credible and has had MANY great transactions on the forum. The kit was 700 dollars...remember that radaitor you sold??? Great example..you sold it at a steal of a price only because "you get what you pay for" remember?

rx7goomba: Well again...always there swinging..

K.ronic: ^^^ditto

Now as I grab MY cock hoping for a bashing..something for me to do tonight. You guys can bash me all you want, if you like. I just enjoy all nut swinging...but hey maybe you guys name calling and ripping on someone you DONT EVEN KNOW might get you a FREE *reliable* rebuild in the future woot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! good job...:uhh:

Charlies7
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I get what I pay for? What the fuck kind of justification is that? :uhh:

I should get what was described, which was a useable turbo kit. But I did not get that, did I. In fact, yes you are correct...I should get what I pay for. I paid for a useable turbo kit, and did not get it. By your own definition, I got a bad deal.

Can you imagine what would happen if I, as a well known and reputed seller, were to sell some part like this with this many major flaws? I would have my name smeared up and down this fucking forum and have people screaming bloody murder. People would say the buyer was in the right for complaining.

What's the difference? There is none...except that you and your little friend here are on the other side of the coin.

The condition of the turbo is not in dispute. What is shown above is not merely "some shaft play". It's called being fucking destroyed internally. No moving part of the turbo is reuseable, and the rebuild costs meet or exceed replacement cost. As for the turbine wheel being "in working condition" I just dont know what to say about that. I can take my car and bolt on a flat tire and a wheel with a chunk gone out of one side and force it to drive down the road a little ways...but it won't last long and it'll fuck something else up, and I wouldn't consider it 'working condition" just because it can be forced to work for a short period of time.

You are demonstrating your own level of knowledge and common sense by defending this stance.

Scammer! :/ Why would you try to defend selling a turbo with a messed up compressor housing and chewed up rear turbine?? Are you blind? you didnt "notice" it was so messed up when you were trying to sell it? How can you bitch about the paypal fees? You ever read paypal? its a SELLERS FEE!! Not a buyers fee. Again, your bitching about losing money on paypal fees, and packing fees, and shipping fees. Yet you agreed on the price on selling him a "good working" turbo kit. Not some junked up piece of crap that was barely sold for for anything by Kevin to try to recouperate his losses (which he shouldnt have had to go thru in the first place).

I dont know Kevin personally, but I defintly know you were in the wrong here TurbodRx7. I would never EVER purchase anything from you and would definitly encourage friends of mine to stay away from anything you have.

Your one of those people that claims to have a good working product that your selling for "cheap". Then when the buyer gets it and its just an overpriced paperweight, you tell them. "Oh well, You got it for cheap. So deal with it"

Well frank, as i have stated before i dont want buisness from people like you... You really need to read before you type, how could i see a messed up turbine wheel when you can not see the damage without the turbine housing off...? So paypal is a sellers fee huh, thanks for helping what i said. Have you ever noticed that when you send money for an item, the fee does NOT show up on your side. Why would it show up on the buyers side while taking money out of the amount they recieve? Do i read paypal? You are a tool. What you extremely stupid guys are missing, is that i NEVER claimed this turbo kit in perfect conditon. I posted and said there was shaft play, and even dropped my price. Show me the words "good working" in my description

You got exactly what you payed for...You recieved everything that you asked for also..And in my opinion the turbo kit was in working order, just not to your standards. I've ran a turbo with a little bit of chewing on the turbine wheel and it worked just fine.

Well, I shouldn't have said "scammer." My mistake. I do understand the situation, my only problem is that:

1- He could have gotten out of this situation just as easily as he got in to i.e. refund the money -$100 and sold the parts himself.

2- Filed charges against the shipping company for damaging the wastegate and whatever else was damaged and packed improperly for shipping.


RE Radiator: Very true, but I also stated to the buyer at the time that I didn't know the condition (whether it works or not) and therefore my price reflected that.

1-I could not take the hit on money, if i did what kevin was offering, i would have still lost money, and i couldnt afford to do that at the time. Charges against the shipping company would have been next to useless, since the only thing broken were the wastegate nipples(which i offered to pay for) i dont know the radiator story, but as i have showed, when i found the shaft play, my price reflected that. I dropped it $400. In my head, kevin only wanted a steal of a turbo kit, and he didnt get one. What can you honestly expect for $700 when he himself just sold a hybrid turbo ALONE for what...$400? I have since found out that the turbo was a gt40 by precision turbo which is FAR better than a masterpower.

Hey, I actually understand where you're coming from. I would've still filed claims for the wastegate and got the FULL refund for however much it costs new.

My advice to you next time: You have rights as a seller too. Use them! Mainly, being able to refuse a sale to anyone you don't deem qualified or wouldn't like to deal with. I'm usually willing to sell to everyone, but there are those few instances were I've flat-out refused. The buyers were giving me such a hard-time and hassle prior to anything being exchanged, I decided to move on with the sale instead.

From: https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=659888

*disclaimer* everything in here is in a non-harsh tone, merely questions and observations.

I have no involvment in the situation but the quote above is where the problem has evolved from IMHO.

To me - that description indicates a USED, but still quite funcitonal turbo. Quite different from what was recieved. If I as a seller am going to sell an item (regardless of how cheap I sell it, cuz $700 is a pretty good steal) I need to have REAL solid descriptions that match my parts. <---edit: which means very clsoe inspection. Pulling the comp. cover off could've saved a lot of hassle and only taken 6 bolts and 10 minutes.

I see an incosistency here in one area. In your ad - you state it has some shaft play which you claim to be typical for a non-BB turbo (which is true, my new T04-R has a *TEENCY WEENCY* bit of in/out, but zero thrust play)........but if the play you discovered was "typical" and normal for a turbo of that type, why did you drop your price?

Next - You claim you bought the parts car, and parted it, nothing more or less. How did you know the turbo boosted fine or didn't smoke?

Aside from those couple questions, the only thing I have to say is this. You chose your asking price of $700. Your description says "boosts fine and doesn't smoke". If Kevin wasn't happy with the purchase, why didn't you take the turbo etc. back, and re-sell it again at that price taking only the loss of shipping (or maybe having kevin eat the shipping as he seemed willing to take SOME type of loss) since you indeed believed the turbo to be worth the money? If it REALLY is worth $700, why didn't you just take it back and sell it again?

EDIT: I see no wrong doing here, just some crossed wires.

I see no wrong doing also on BOTH parties, just they both didnt cover there ass. We all know that Landers likes things in TOP NOTCH quality, like everyone else, however he never asked for pictures of the wheels. If i was the seller i would only take pictures if requested upon. Turbodrx7 believed the turbo was fine, he gave kevin some money back, kevin still wasnt satisfied. All in all this thread is pointless, both parties fucked up and didnt cover eachother. For all you sellers/buyers make sure you ask the right questions.

I dropped my price because before i had checked, i assumed it had NONE, but then found some. At that point, people get scared when they see shaftplay, its known, so i dropped my price to reflect that. I know it spools and boosts fine because i had ridden in the car previous to buying it. It spools to a good 15psi, held and pulled HARD, with not a puff of smoke out the back. I didnt want it, flat out, i wanted it gone, i had PILES of parts in my room. I gave kevin a HELL of a deal, and i do not feel i "screwed" him. I knew the turbo would NEVER fetch a fair amount after discovering what kevin showed me, which was my reason for giving the refund. With my refund, and him selling the stuff, he came out pretty close to the same place he would have had he taken the hit with shipping.

^ no worries, you didnt screw him. You did sell him a useable turbo kit, he got what he asked for but wasnt happy with the product. If you knew the wheels were shot then you would be claimed an asshole but since you didnt know and you werent asked to take pictures your not :) :icon_tup:

Ask a mod to close this thread. Its just going to get filled with more useless information and name calling from other people :uhh: