Bad Transaction With: Sm1nts2escape
 

For Sale Thread:
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...-more-1004802/


What: Sold passenger headlight complete assembly to Sm1nts2escape. Sm1nts2escape pm and request for 2 payment, make first half for deposit, and final half a week later. I agree.

When: First payment of $82.50 was receive on July 29. Final payment of 82.50 was receive on Aug. 3rd. Item was ship out on Aug. 6th.

Aug. 11th:

Buyer receive item and claim that headlight cover was broken in one corner , and white window cocking was use under the headlight cover, and harness was cut.

First off, I admit fault that I did not mention the window cocking issue, all I did was send pic of the whole headlight housing with cover, front, top, and side.
Nonetheless, I agree total refund once item is ship back.

Partial conversation:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sm1nts2escape
Really? You send me this junk and expect me to send it back to you in good faith that you are going to give me a refund? Issue a refund and I'll gladly send it back

Quote:
Originally Posted by justaimme
Im not surprise with that reaction, I said that too when I had an issue with another seller. Then I try Paypal dispute and go through rollerrx7 on the forum, in the end, item have to be sent back and refund will be issue. If u want to cover yourself, do a Paypal dispute, ill accept fault and then item receive, then refund. It sucks but thats how it work.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sm1nts2escape
I use paypal all the time. I don't have to file a dispute to get a refund back from you. I recently sold a part on ebay and gave the guy back 40% just cause I forgot to ship his part for a week. I did that on my own. Point is you can give me a complete refund.



Out of good faith, I agree and refunded the first payment of $82.50.

"Half of refund send, please ship item with tracking # then other half will be refunded."

This all occurs on Aug. 11th. I've file a claim with Fedex regards to the headlight cover being broken in one corner.

I've pm about 3 times and waited 5 business days yet no response from Sm1nts2escape. I check this member log-in, and he logs on everyday, including today as I post this.

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Help mod? I just need this member to reply and want my item back.

Was the harness cut before you shipped it or are you saying the shipping company cut and threw away the harness? The calking is bad, but not being able to plug it in is a much bigger issue.
From where I'm sitting, it seems like the guy already sent you his money once, then got a broken part with window calking and a cut harness, THEN told "Yes I know it was broken, but if you want your money back, you'll have to start a Paypal dispute".

I'd be pissed-off too if I was him.

Youre twisting my word buddy, I already agree to a refund once my item is return. I even gave half of the refund first already. The member logs on everyday and has not reply to any of my pm for the last 2 Weeks.

Honestly, I am going to request something different on this. I am going to ask that you send him the full amount and then he can return the part. Here's why--

1--you knew ahead of time that the part was not good. You knew it was damaged(caulk) and you knew that the harness was cut. You did not disclose either of those things when you advertised it for sale on this forum.

2--buyer paid you in good faith. The money exchanged hands, then the part was sent.

3--when buyer told you the part was unacceptable, you knew it was. This should NEVER happen here or anywhere....if you know there is a problem with a part, you should NEVER wait to be told that by the guy you just sold it to! This would never have happened if you had exercised integrity on this sale.

4--you were not injured at all in this deal. Your buyer was. There is no reason for your buyer to assume any more risk--he has already gotten burned once and that is too many.

Please refund him the remaining balance of the money due and upon receipt, I will personally notify him to send it back to you.

in the future it doesn't hurt to ask more questions. those headlight covers are cracked in at least one place at least 80% of the time. if that is what you really wanted just fork over for a new one and it will last you much longer than another used one.

i see people buy them used all the time, and they always wind up as roadside ornaments.

While I understand that, it does not change anything in this case. A seller is responsible for the way they list their parts. I am not going to give a seller a free pass to be dishonest in his FS listings here just because "80% of the time they are cracked". Neither should you.

never meant he should, but the term dishonest implies he was trying to get away with something. contrary to popular belief not everyone is out to get one another.

lazy would probably be more suitable and true. just send the other half of the remaining amount and he can prove it.

Awesome, will refund him tomorrow once I add fund to my paypal bank account.

I agree this was my fault in the first place for not listing complete details on the passenger headlight. It was a careless mistake. But knowingly being dishonest, maybe not. If you look at the pm history, the minute he post an issue with the merchandise. I kept in contact the same business day and numerous pm, agreeing for full refund once item is ship with tracking number. After I refund the first half, this member hasn't reply for 2 weeks.

Anyhow, thank you for the help and advice. I'll definitely keep this in mind the next time I post an item.

Refund process in pending status.

Jul 29, 2012 Payment From Sherman Martin RefundedYou have refunded this payment in full.You have refunded this payment in full. ... $82.50 USD -$2.69 USD $79.81 USD

Aug 27, 2012 Refund Pending Details -$82.50 USD $2.39 USD -$80.11 USD

Please have this member return the item with original packaging that it came with.
Thank you.

Final half refund clear yesterday.

Aug 3, 2012 Second and final payment for 93 rx7 complete passenger headlight assembly as discussed. Thanks
Second and final payment for 93 rx7 complete passenger headlight assembly as discussed. Thanks
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RefundedYou have refunded this payment in full.You have refunded this payment in full. Details Payment From Sherman Martin 6F6855864P7717336 $79.81 USD
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Jul 29, 2012 93 rx7 complete passenger headlight assembly. Thanks!
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Payment From Sherman Martin RefundedYou have refunded this payment in full.You have refunded this payment in full. Details Payment From Sherman Martin 48B03594E6858710L $79.81 USD

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doubt he has an overloaded inbox so update us as to whether he returns it or if this is going to flip the other way around now.

2nd refund cleared on Aug. 30th. So far it's been a week and no word from the buyer. I understand that he is upset, but since I refunded the first half, no reply or contact since then from this buyer. Even after he got the 2nd refund, no reply as well.

I notice he logs almost everyday, so I think it's flipping the other way around.

i know Roller is busy dealing with the house and other things, i sent sm1nts2escape a message as well so hopefully he responds. you should also cover return shipping costs, but i would wait until he responds.

It's been 4 weeks or so, and he hasn't respond a single pm. I doubt it would happen anytime soon. Nonetheless, can't wait to hear from him lol. Yes, I would gladly cover shipping if he doesn't go out and just ship it at a ridiculous amount.

Shit, I'm about to send him a PM too.
You did your part and the ball's in his court. He needs to at least provide you with an acknowledgment of payment and a timeline as to when you get your parts back, if not pay for shipping since he's made you wait so long.

OK, guys,

we do not need everyone sending PMs. This is the moderator's game at this point, so if you are not a moderator, please do not take to sending PMs like this. If you are not personally involved in the situation, you could actually end up making it worse by trying to make it better.

As it stands, I already sent a PM to him. Despite the issues with the recent storm, I still am working on getting these things resolved, and I ask for you to be patient. Thanks!

There is more to this story than what is being said. I asked about the part and the seller sends pics of a part that is in good condition and not broken..

Here is a pic of what is included, I test fitted everything. I'm sure that is complete?

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL162.../401159493.jpg

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL162.../401159490.jpg

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL162.../401159492.jpg

As you can see the headlight housing is not damaged in those pics. However when I got the headlight it was broken in every single mounting point as well as a corner almost completely broken off and the harness was cut. Not only that but the seller caulked the the dang housing very very liberally to the part with what looks to be liquid nails... I mean really? What kinda seller is this? I contact him about the problems with the unit and he says

"Base on my opinion and the pics u saw and for the price you pay, I still think its cheap. Regardless, if u are still unhappy about the transaction, please send the item back and I will issue refund."

Man that pissed me off. I couldn't believe the attitude of this guy! Still I offered to keep the unit if he would return back 50% of the total as I could get a cover for about 90 bux which I thought was a good deal. Being I wouldn't have to pay return shipping for a part that I bought, that wasn't delivered as pictured or told about. He just sent me a known faulty part and slappped some glue on it and told me I should be happy about it. But the seller decided to be a pain in my butt and not work things out even though he tried to get over on me. So I say screw it then we agree that I'll ship back the part after he gives me a complete refund but he says this to me:

Okay, ill give you the benefit of the doubt even though I dun hav to send refund until item is return. Will refund in3-4hr, on my phone right now.


Hahaha. Give me the benefit of the doubt. Man this guy really gets to my nerves!

Then the seller refunds half of the payment. A few days later I think. That wasn't the deal either. He was supposed to give a full refund. I am not going to take another chance with this guy. After everything this guy has did and his bad attitude... So after that I just said screw it and didn't even bother reading his messages to me. I had had enough... I just wanted to forget about him and this transaction at this point. So one day I come home and I see I got the other half of the refund 2-idk how many weeks later. Man now I don't know what to do. I have had the part sitting in my garage for awhile now and done tryed to forget about it. But after weeks he sends a full refund as we agreed upon. Do I keep the part and send him back a full refund? Idk. That would mean I am loosing out on MY time and MY money for return shipping due to HIS FAULTS... Second idea send back half and hope he goes away. While I am thinking about this the fedex guy posted a sticker on my garage door saying he stopped by to pick up a package. Come to find out it was sent from the seller. I was once again furious. IT'S NOT FEDX'S FAULT FOR THE BROKEN PART! IT IS HIS! He had a broken part shipped it and is now TRYING TO COMMIT FRAUD!

I am open to suggestions.

But I am not willing to let this guy try to push me around anymore. Nor am I going to be apart of his fraud with fedex.

I am willing to ship back the junk if he pays for shipping and my time. Which I value at $40hr. I will charge 1hr for doing this. Second option I am willing to do is give him back 15 as it is going to cost me at least $90 to replace the cover and use some of my own parts which I value at $20 and 1hr of time doing so...

OK, now I have some questions for the seller....

Why would the harness be present and connected in the pics you sent him, but cut way short on the actual part when he opens the box? There are only two possibilities here--either you cut the harness(less likely), or you sent him a different part than what is in the pics you sent him. Perhaps you can explain to me why it looks like you sold a part based on pics, and then delivered a different part that was not in the same good condition? You need to come clean on this one--I have a VERY hard time believing that the part in the pics is the same one you sent him......either way, it's clear to me that this was not just some lazy accident.....and we are going to have to do something about it.

To the buyer, the simple option here is for him to pay for the return shipping. you would be hard pressed to bill him for time, and though I understand what youre saying, I think its best to just let him pay for the return shipping and call this one over and done with.

if he sent fedex with return shipping just toss it in the box and hand it to fedex and you're done. let roller rattle the sellers cage about the misdirection in the sale.

He didn't just send return shipping. He tryed to commit fraud by saying the item was damaged in the shipping process. I am not going to be a part of that.

The item I purchase originally from Nengun.com. Arrive like that, took pictures, and post it on the forum for sale. If you notice all my fs thread history, it was on there with that pic. When I sold the item and sent the pic, the item was not damage.

1) Fedex damage the headlight cover

2) Caulking for headlight cover, I already admit fault that I did not disclosed this information. And sold it base on pics.

3) Harness cut, why would I cut it?I really don't remember what happen here, that is not an excuse, it's just I can't remember.

And to answer roller question, yes that is the same headlight, why, look at the cover and marking on it, it is the same item and all the dirt that came from storing on a farm. What did I have to gain by sending him a different one when I know that it will get return?

Please take a moment and think about this, I went through all this trouble to cheat someone off for 165shipped and bring all this trouble and act of dishonesty upon myself? What did I have to gain? 'Cause I'm well aware if you sent someone an item not describe, they get their full refund.

Lastly, I contacted this buyer the first moment when he mention an issue about it. As far as I recall, it's natural for an item to be return before full refund could be issue.

For example: I purchase from The Goat his RE extreme hid headlight kit for $1000, he claim that it is new. I receive the package, bolts and a bracket is missing from the original kit, and the cover aren't painted. I return the item, cost $98 in shipping, Goat got the item, and issue refund. So in this transaction, I lost $98 in shipping.

So for this transaction with Sm1nts2escape, I already admit fault and offer refund, all I need was for the buyer to response for my item to be sent back. And now, I even gladly pay for shipping. I lose out $56 in shipping. So? Sm1nths2escape got his refund, and i'll take up my issue with fedex.

He claims i'm trying to fraud Fedex? If I'm trying to fraud fedex, I would have bought insurance on the shipment, but I didn't. So we're back to the 3 points,

1) crack headlight cover (fedex did it)
2) caulking (I didn't disclose it)
3) I can't remember.

Okay, I just back trace my step with regards to the harness being cut. If u re-examine the buyer pic of the harness being cut, the motor of the headlight is remove. The pic I sent him shows the motor harness and did not disclose the inner harness cut. So after backtracking, that harness was cut to my knowledge. So now, fault 2 for me. But the headlight cover was not damage by me, by FedEx.

Anyhow, please just sent the item back, post a pic of the receipt and I will Paypal u shipping.

And I started laughing when you mention $40/hr.

Lastly, you keep referring to this item as junk, but you offer to keep it for 50% off. That sounds funny to me.

Guys, this is really easy to figure out, really, I promise it is.

To the buyer, when you opened the box, were there any broken pieces loose in the box that would match up to the damaged parts of the assembly? If not, then it simply was not damaged in transit, plain and simple. But if there were broken pieces, then it is likely that it was damaged in transit. This is simple common sense, and easy enough to figure out. Look in the packaging--and tell us what you found.

To the seller, at this point I am going to ask that you not list anything for sale on this forum until we can get to the bottom of this. I expect your cooperation.

Roller,

Thank you for the prompt reply at this hour. Yes, I understand how it works. Hopefully the end results, fedex will come out again for the damage cover.

As I inspect the pic the buyer took, it broke off perfectly, however, there is a tiny residue of imperfection right here at the corner where it broke off. So that residue should be inside the box.

Mr aimee. You are full of it. Explain to me why the ticket on my garage door was a damage claim? There are no broken pieces in the box. You clearly just tryed to get over on me, push me around and gave me a hard time. The only reason I have offered to keep the part is because I could use the meta part of the housing and swap my parts on to it. I am done with you. You are a pos seller. You have a bad attitude, use false advertising, ship damaged goods, etc etc etc.

I somehow knew you wouldnt the pieces lol, oh well, I guess I just pay $56 for your integrity. thats fine with me.

Im a pos seller?

Lets keep it simple, you got an item and it arrive not as describe. You contact me and I reply in the same business day with a full refund if I get the item back. Can you think of a place that would refund u first and wait for their item? Lol not really. But hey, we're on rx7club and im happy to play by the rules here.

So whats the deal now? Youre gonna keep it cause im trying to fraud FedEx? Lol.

Btw, last time I check, the whole light housing w/out cover with motor and shroud is more than the 82.50 u offer me to keep. So your intention is noted.

I understand your frustration, but you need to let him have the part back. You cannot keep the money and the part--the simplest way to do this is to let him pay for shipping and just send it back. Then you can be done with him all you like--youre actually dragging this out longer because you are not just going with this and putting an end to it.

I am not going through this drama crap with you on here anymore. Go ahead and send another damage claim through.

Dude, enough already. Where in the world do you get off thinking you have a reason to complain? YOU were dishonest in this sale. YOU admit you were wrong. YOU CAUSED THIS. Dont think for one minute that you have the right to complain now because he doesnt want to trust you!

Do you even have any idea how this looks for you? You sell a part that you KNOW has issues, and you do not disclose those issues to the buyer. You then send him the part--KNOWING it isnt what you claimed it to be. Why would you do that? My guess is that you were hoping he would not notice everything that was wrong and you might sneak it past him. Is that your definition of a good seller? It sure as hell isnt mine.....and before you start, I dont care about your feedback, your itrader or anything else--IN THIS SALE, you screwed up big time. That doesnt make you a good seller in my book--are you aware that what you have done fits the legal definition of FRAUD?

As I already said to you, I made that exception in this case because of how you treated him in this sale. You not only tried to pull a fast one on him but you wasted his time....and mine.....Now, after dealing with this mess, he still has to find the parts he needs because of your dishonesty. Let that sink in a bit.

Doesnt matter anyways because you cannot get anything from FEDEX. You did not insure the package, and they will basically tell you that youre SOL.

Your logic doesnt fly. You agreed to sell him a certain part at a certain price. You did not at any time indicate the problems with the part and it is your responsibility to do so. If the part is supposed to be worth more, then thats on you--no one forced you to price it where you did. Clearly you felt that it was a fair price for it, so lets not start picking this apart now. You sold it. He bought it. You lied about its condition and got caught. Nuff said.

Your logic doesnt fly. You agreed to sell him a certain part at a certain price. You did not at any time indicate the problems with the part and it is your responsibility to do so. If the part is supposed to be worth more, then thats on you--no one forced you to price it where you did. Clearly you felt that it was a fair price for it, so lets not start picking this apart now. You sold it. He bought it. You lied about its condition and got caught. Nuff said.
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Roller,

I agree with that the most. I sold it, he bought, I made a huge mistake about it (in your book, lying about it). That's fine, I admit it's my fault, but intentionally lying to start all this over 165$. No.

"IN THIS SALE, you screwed up big time. That doesnt make you a good seller in my book--are you aware that what you have done fits the legal definition of FRAUD? "

Yes i screw up big time in this sale. Will definitely learn from it. But now you are calling me intentionally committing fraud, if you want to put that to the test, I will gladly take a polygraph test to proof that I did not intentionally try to rip this guy off, we'll split the cost of that polygraph test. Since you talks with such conviction that I plan all this.

Darn, cant edit previous post lol. I apologize, I think it got personal there. Matters resolve, I am getting my item back.

Aimee. Please let me know when fedex is going to show up here. I will box the junk back up tonight and have it ready for them.

Just call FedEx, person handling will call me back within 24-48hrs with regards to coming out again. Once I hear from them, I will let u know. If u plan to box it up tonight, please place all original packing with the box.

¤handling the damage claim¤

If you feel the need to get it over with, ship it through FedEx and ill pay for it. Fast and easy.

Look, I'm going to say this one more time and only one more time.

Give it a rest.

Let me spell this out for you--

1--you knew the condition of the part.
2--you chose not to mention the problems with the part--this was a choice you made. It was not an accident. It wasnt like you "forgot". You even said as much.

As I said, what you did MEETS THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF FRAUD. You knew it was broken. You did not say it was broken. What good reason could you possibly have for not telling the true condition in the FS thread? When something "meets the legal description" that doesnt mean it was your intention all along, chief--so get the hell over yourself, and fast. I do not mix words in here--if I was trying to say that you planned this, I would simply have said you planned this.

Now youre going to flip your melon and talk about a polygraph?? Youre whining about having to be out $56 for shipping! I dont need a polygraph and I dont personally care if your intention was to defraud or not--the fact remains that you KNEW it was broken, and you DELIBERATELY chose not to disclose that. This is NOT ACCEPTABLE. We do not do things that way on this forum.

You are no longer allowed to sell on this forum. Not one single part. Not to anyone, in any section. I cannot and will not tolerate this kind of game. You were wrong, you KNEW you were wrong, and you still tried to justify it when the buyer notified you. So thats the end of your selling--and if youre caught trying to sell either through threads or PMs, youre gonna get the boot from the forum faster than you can say "polygraph".

I do believe I've made my point clearly enough.....

I knew I was wrong, I offer refund. Buyer wants full, I did half just in case. Went on here after buyer didn't response, you said to sent the other half, I did.

I knew it was damage for the window caulking and harness. I didn't mention it. Therefore, I offer full refund once item is sent back, isn't this how it works on this forum? But you step in to help, saying how I handle myself, I should refund and pay for shipping. Done, refund and agree to pay for shipping.

So I follow all your instructions except for your attack on my character. Like RotaryRevolution mentions, not everyone out there is out to get someone. So I made a mistake and according to all the evidence toward me it was fraud, I didn't agree. Regardless, the buyer got what he wanted his money, I got I wanted, my item.

The matters is resolve, yet the rest of it is all about definition and judgement. I disagree agree with your judgement, but follow your instructions for the interest of the buyer.

In the end, I get banned from selling on this forum is because I disagree with your logic not what you mutually decide between me and the buyer. I refunded and the matters with the buyer has been resolve. Isn't that what mod are for? To resolve issue between buyer and seller.
As you stated you, we agree to sell on this forum for free, all we do is follow mods instructions. At what point did I not follow your instructions?

The forum has the right to refuse service to anyone. This is not a democracy or a public forum. That's your right to ban me from selling because I was wrong.

With the polygraph comment, I apologize try for it already. That comment broke the forum rule on attacking a mod. But i try to fix it but it was too late.

According to you, I knew it was damage, deliberately send it. But you forgot to to mention:
I offer refund the first minute he sent a pm, now he is fully refunded and I am getting my item back. So the lost of his time? Should I pay that $40 to fully take care of the customer?

But hey, it's not a democracy.

"You were wrong, you KNEW you were wrong, and you still tried to justify it when the buyer notified you. "

He notify me and I offer refund! What I try to justify was that the headlight cover was not broken before shipment. Regardless, does it matters? What was the point of the thread? For him to get his money right? The item I want back and he wanted his money and he got his money. What else is there?

you want a cookie? Youre acting like you deserve a pat on the back for doing what everyone else in here does each day. Think about that for a minute......

Look, dude, I've had about enough of this. I stated what I saw--based solely upon your own admitted actions. If you have a problem with that, perhaps you should take a look at your actions instead of complaining that I called you out on your actions.

Let me get this straight....

1--you freely admit that you knew of the problems with the part.
2--you freely admit that you did not disclose any of those problems when you listed it for sale.

Is this correct so far? YOU TELL ME, what possible reason could you have had for neglecting to tell the truth about this? You admit you knew about it, so you tell me one good reason why someone would choose to leave that information out! I can only think of two--you either forgot or you decided on purpose not to say anything. You admit you didnt forget. What does that leave? Look, whether you said to yourself "i'm gonna take this guy's cash" or you said "I just feel like getting rid of the part so I'm gonna leave it as is", you STILL intentionally misled people. Wrap your head around that already.

No, you got banned because you:

--intentionally lied in your FS thread.
--tried to make excuses for it later.
--continually twist what I have said so you can keep the disagreement going.

You wish to add anything to the list with your next post?

Now youre really starting to piss me off, chief. You do not have the right to come in here and tell me what my job is. Start following the TOS here or find another forum to populate. You cannot even follow the rules for selling, so who do you think you are that youre gonna try to tell me what I am supposed to be doing here??? Better check yourself on that one....


The rules are known ahead of time and they are not there for you to choose not to follow them. They are also not there for you to choose to follow them only after you got caught not following them.
Then if you understand that, quit the complaining about it. Now.

Thats small potatoes....

No, YOU forgot to mention what you really did say at that point. Allow me to remind you....
Was that really necessary? You couldnt have just realized you were caught? You had to try to justify it like this?

As for the loss of his time, didnt I already address that? I certainly do remember doing it.....perhaps you should try reading it before you speak about it.


Thanks for reminding me.....

DUDE, GIVE IT A REST ALREADY. DAMN!

you have said what you had to say. I have told you what I have to say. ENOUGH!!! Quit arguing over this! You did wrong. You got caught. That alone is sufficient for me to ban you from selling because that nonsense is NOT AT ALL tolerated here. If you have a problem with that, you should have thought of that before you knew you werent being honest about this part. THIS IS DONE. The only thing left for you to say is to let us know when you receive the part.


END OF STORY.

-I admit my mistake and offer refund, why didnt I run instead?

Please post the evidence where say that I didnt forget to mention.

Throughout this entire thread, I forgot to disclose the information. So yes, I misled the guy.

Who am I? Im just a member, just trying to convey I made a mistake with the sale and didnt ran from it but took care of it and ask for help. If that was wrong, then I really dont know what is right.

What makes you think it matters? It doesnt. Your selling practices are against our TOS here and flat out unacceptable, no matter what you did after the fact. What part of this are you having trouble understanding?

Dude, you admitted you were aware. You admitted you should have said something but did not. And you admitted you misled the buyer. NOTHING MORE NEEDS TO BE SAID--that means STOP TALKING.

They say admitting your problem is the first step...

Dude, you instantly and immediately knew what the buyer was talking about when he said there was a problem. your response wasnt "oh, sorry, I forgot all about that"....it was instantly to try to justify the good deal that you believed he still got! Now, suppose he wasnt looking to tear it all apart--suppose he was just going to take it out of the box and bolt it onto his car? He would not have found half the damage in that case. Here's the deal, I do not for one minute believe that this was an honest mistake. You knew you should have said something, admit you knew you should have said something and still chose not to. You can say whatever you like, at the end of the day what you have done looks too much like bad business for me to ignore it. My guess is that you would have been fine with it if the guy did not take it apart and complain and that just isnt good enough for me. I cannot tell if you have done it before, but I damn sure can do something to make sure you dont do it again.

Last time saying it--WE ARE DONE TALKING ABOUT THIS. That means STOP. ENOUGH. END OF STORY. your next stop is an all expense paid trip off the forum. I told you what you did wrong, told you how you handled it wrong from there, told you how youre not doing yourself any favors because you keep trying to argue with me, and now I AM DONE WITH THIS. That means you are done with it too.

Best of luck to you.

stick needles under someones fingernails and eventually they will ramble off what you want them to say even if it never was true. quoting it then all day long doesn't make it true either. so he made a mistake, he didn't run around trying to find ways of keeping the money he got for the part, did he? a real thief knows it won't last, they try to get everything done in as quick of a timeframe as possible and good luck ever getting a single refund.

so he screwed up, everyone does. the world would really suck if we all only got a single chance at anything.

Man come on. Why do you keep on sticking up for this guy? It is so bloody obvious that he has tried to get over on me and cause of his own stupidty told on himself in front of everybody. Yet you still defend him? RxRoller02 Has been doing a damn good job if you ask me. Now you are here defending the bad seller by bad bad mouthing roller? As a MODERATOR he should have good skills as an interogator. Although you really don't need to be that good at it to see through the bs that aimee has been trying to feed everyone. If he didn't have good interogation skills that would pretty much leave all the buyers defenseless againts bad sellers like aimee. Just cause roller has asked the seller questions regarding the transaction and caught and called the seller out on his bs makes him a bad guy? I think you need to take a step back and think about what you are saying and doing here. Either way it doesn't look good for you defending a bad seller when you are forum vendor???

And why keep editing your post? Spit it out man.

On top of that Roller is the Mod here. So please don't try and message me anymore regarding this transaction. Let him take care of this as he sees fit. It's obvious he has a better understanding of good and bad buisiness.

"so he screwed up, everyone does. the world would really suck if we all only got a single chance at anything."

He didn't just screw up. He has tryed to get over on me and clearly got caught doing so. After that he has tryed to deny, lie and twist things around to defend his bad buisiness tactics. There are rules here and he has obviously not been following them. If someone screwed you over would you defend them in the same manner? I don't think so... It's starting to look like you and the seller are friends. If that is the case then you really shouldn't be here at all. Still I can't believe you are here defending a bad seller when you are a vendor.

It really doesn't look like it. Thanks anyways.

i'm actually a very good judge of character and i tend to defend those i feel deserve it. you both are victims here though, because of a miscommunication.

yes the seller needs to learn, but i don't believe he shouldn't be given a second chance given the circumstances i see here. you are one to judge? you admitted that you considered keeping the parts AND the money... you should be happy no one has really threatened you, yet.