Why Random Ign cut at WOT?
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I am getting a random ignition cut for a split second when at higher RPM on my e420d. I have no turbo, the rev limit is set to cut fuel, which it does, all other limiters are set to over 8000RPM, or off, and all cut methods are not selected apart from the rev limit. What is triggering this? I have attached a log file, and my map. The map was changed to a 7400RPM rev limit, 7200RPM soft, and overrun fuel cut was disabled, but still should not cut ignition.
I also noticed that my injection timing is all of a sudden reading -260, where all of my other logs have read 0, since I have variable injection timing turned off? |
Originally Posted by befarrer
(Post 12298798)
I am getting a random ignition cut for a split second when at higher RPM on my e420d. I have no turbo, the rev limit is set to cut fuel, which it does, all other limiters are set to over 8000RPM, or off, and all cut methods are not selected apart from the rev limit. What is triggering this? I have attached a log file, and my map. The map was changed to a 7400RPM rev limit, 7200RPM soft, and overrun fuel cut was disabled, but still should not cut ignition.
I also noticed that my injection timing is all of a sudden reading -260, where all of my other logs have read 0, since I have variable injection timing turned off? https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...02640ffa19.jpg Skeese |
I forgot about that, I pre wired for a shift light/buzzer, but its not connected yet. I'm also emailing adaptronic, and he had me disable input 4, which is my launch control enable, also pre wired, but not connected. Going to test tonight. I left these set up so I knew what they were, the wires are labeled behind the dash, but not used yet.
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Originally Posted by befarrer
(Post 12298873)
I forgot about that, I pre wired for a shift light/buzzer, but its not connected yet. I'm also emailing adaptronic, and he had me disable input 4, which is my launch control enable, also pre wired, but not connected. Going to test tonight. I left these set up so I knew what they were, the wires are labeled behind the dash, but not used yet.
Let us know what you find out testing it! Skeese |
Everything seems fine after I removed my launch control enable input from the software. Now I have to figure out why it was interfering. I had the same issue with my flat shift, it was causing a random ignition cut above 4000rpm as well. I don't have a speed sensor connected to the ecm so it doesn't know speed, maybe that was the launch control issue? I have 2 clutch switches set up, one on the clutch pedal, and one connected to the transmission neutral switch, both independently connected to the ecm. I wonder if one is going bad?
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Originally Posted by befarrer
(Post 12299142)
Everything seems fine after I removed my launch control enable input from the software. Now I have to figure out why it was interfering. I had the same issue with my flat shift, it was causing a random ignition cut above 4000rpm as well. I don't have a speed sensor connected to the ecm so it doesn't know speed, maybe that was the launch control issue? I have 2 clutch switches set up, one on the clutch pedal, and one connected to the transmission neutral switch, both independently connected to the ecm. I wonder if one is going bad?
The sensor that is under the dash that is depressed when the clutch pedal is released is what should be signaling the ecu. Skeese |
That is the one I have connected. The other one is on the transmission tailshaft. It is on when the shifter is in neutral only.
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Originally Posted by befarrer
(Post 12299176)
That is the one I have connected. The other one is on the transmission tailshaft. It is on when the shifter is in neutral only.
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Befarrer, have you been following up with Adaptronic to see if there is a software/firmware component to your issue?
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I have been going back and forward with them. I just have to find someone to help me watch my inputs while I drive to see if I have noise causing random cuts.
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Originally Posted by befarrer
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I have been going back and forward with them. I just have to find someone to help me watch my inputs while I drive to see if I have noise causing random cuts.
Skeese |
Originally Posted by befarrer
(Post 12299176)
That is the one I have connected. The other one is on the transmission tailshaft. It is on when the shifter is in neutral only.
Your car might need the clutch pedal assembly to be adjusted. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...22954cd07c.gif Here's an example from my daily driver which depicts the clutch pedal switch perfectly. |
Originally Posted by RGHTBrainDesign
(Post 12300090)
Right, so is the plunger adjusted properly on the sensor and pedal assembly? This sounds like a mechanical adjustment of that.
Your car might need the clutch pedal assembly to be adjusted. Here's an example from my daily driver which depicts the clutch pedal switch perfectly. It seems to me like an issue with the hardware/software that somehow links launch control ignition cuts to something else internally that triggers it when it shouldn't. Hell I recently had a friend who found out the trigger errors he was experiencing was tied to the fact that the ECU internal logging was turned on....so any screwed up logic is possible. I'd check the cut logic in the logs and see what rationale the ECU was applying the cut based off of, at the end of the day the cuts are triggered when an electrical discrete is issued based on a 1 or 0 across multiple conditions. If all that shit is turned off and it is still sending out discrete cut signals, something deeper than tune is wrong. If if it the clutch sensor triggering from improper adjustment of the switch, the log will tell. Skeese |
Opening this up in Eugene... Here are the following mistakes/errors:
Whoever tuned this is a total piece of shit.
This is some extra retard shit. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...97c8af9ea7.jpg Sure, I guess this is okay... Not optimizing efficiency or power, just blah. I'll be happy to sit your tuner down over coffee and educate them on a few Greg Banish and Bosch Engine Calibration books for you. This is absolutely unacceptable and for someone to offer this as a service to others in the community, they should be ashamed of themselves. This is GARBAGE and charging for this kind of work is unbelievable. |
He might be tuning it himself and it may be his first time. Constructive criticism is helpful, and you guys are very knowledgeable, but calling the guy names probably won't help
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Originally Posted by $lacker
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He might be tuning it himself and it may be his first time. Constructive criticism is helpful, and you guys are very knowledgeable, but calling the guy names probably won't help
Either way, that's a start for whoever did tune it, there's massive amounts of errors. I'll fix it all myself and post a file once I know the cars actual injector, fuel pressure, wideband o2, etc. |
Eh even then its not the worst, Ive seen some "professional" Vargas tunes that make this look stellar. I guess I only saw half of the tune since I opened it in wari. I really hate eugene but I guess its a necessary evil at this point.
Skeese |
Originally Posted by RGHTBrainDesign
(Post 12300390)
Opening this up in Eugene... Here are the following mistakes/errors:
Whoever tuned this is a total piece of shit.
This is some extra retard shit. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...97c8af9ea7.jpg Sure, I guess this is okay... Not optimizing efficiency or power, just blah. I'll be happy to sit your tuner down over coffee and educate them on a few Greg Banish and Bosch Engine Calibration books for you. This is absolutely unacceptable and for someone to offer this as a service to others in the community, they should be ashamed of themselves. This is GARBAGE and charging for this kind of work is unbelievable. I answered your questions above in blue, I have tuned this myself, first time with a standalone. Some of my values are way off, as I have been fighting with this misfiring issue since I installed this engine last spring, before, I had a NA 6-port, and never had the issue, so I was trying to find my issue in the tune. Keep in mind, this is not in an RX7, and it is not an e440D that is offered with the plug n play, but the e420D, which has no auto tune feature. Wiring harness is all custom made. I use WARI to tune, Eugene is very slow on my computer, takes a good 15-30 seconds to load a window. |
Originally Posted by befarrer
(Post 12300555)
I answered your questions above in blue, I have tuned this myself, first time with a standalone. Some of my values are way off, as I have been fighting with this misfiring issue since I installed this engine last spring, before, I had a NA 6-port, and never had the issue, so I was trying to find my issue in the tune. Keep in mind, this is not in an RX7, and it is not an e440D that is offered with the plug n play, but the e420D, which has no auto tune feature. Wiring harness is all custom made.
I use WARI to tune, Eugene is very slow on my computer, takes a good 15-30 seconds to load a window. Skeese |
Originally Posted by befarrer
(Post 12300555)
I answered your questions above in blue, I have tuned this myself, first time with a standalone. Some of my values are way off, as I have been fighting with this misfiring issue since I installed this engine last spring, before, I had a NA 6-port, and never had the issue, so I was trying to find my issue in the tune. Keep in mind, this is not in an RX7, and it is not an e440D that is offered with the plug n play, but the e420D, which has no auto tune feature. Wiring harness is all custom made.
I use WARI to tune, Eugene is very slow on my computer, takes a good 15-30 seconds to load a window. I'll report back by the end of the week with all of my fixes on your map and a posted ECU file. |
Turns out that my intermittent WOT cut-outs were caused by the same issue. I'm glad I found your thread so I could eliminate them easily
As soon as I disabled launch control and flat shift, they were gone completely. |
Originally Posted by $lacker
(Post 12305757)
Turns out that my intermittent WOT cut-outs were caused by the same issue. I'm glad I found your thread so I could eliminate them easily
As soon as I disabled launch control and flat shift, they were gone completely. Glad the workaround works though! Skeese |
I had a very similar problem on my Select Pnp. Turn on launch control and it would be slow to react and cause very minor misfires. Although, it's most likely because my speed sensor doesn't give an accurate signal. Kinda just knows when the car is moving and when it isn't. Haven't had any issues on my Integras Infinity with these features so there must be something about the old Adaptronic units that don't like those features.
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