How much is one of those fancy Pager Alarms?

Both Air-Rex and I live in the same county, and it is chock full of car thieves.

My mom is a cop in my town here, and when she's bored, she just goes around and runs random plates on cars, and she says she finds about a dozen cars that have been stolen each day.

Snohomish County, Washington, is the 2nd worst county in the country for Meth-heads, and as we all know, meth-heads need serious blingbling for there habits.

Plus, getting to kick the shit out of some guy trying to jack my car sounds like a fun prospect.

exactly, I'm gonna get the pager alarm too, my friend has it and it works great. This way I can find out what's going on when I'm inside a building somewhere too! I think that's the best one you can get IMO, but whatever you guys feel works is good.

Is there some sort of sensor that will tell you when something is happening to the car at all, like even if someone is keying it or something?

YUP! It tells u which part of the car is being messed with even. It has a little picture of a car on the pager even and it will show the part of the car that's being screwed with, even the truck area! I think it's best investment, seriously.

you guys are all wasting your money.
an alarm is not going to do SHIT!! practice stealing your own car. ;) its not hard. in an FC...you can get in the car in about 8 seconds...an FD is not much harder. sure there are the small things you can do to deter it from actualy being driven away.
here is an example, a few years ago me and 2 other guys were stopping in a night club to do something. we were not even in there for 10 min. when we came out...2 FD's were stolen. :( flat beds... he had an extensive alarm on the car. you know what was left next to where the cars were? THE SPEAKER for the alarm. LMAO!!!
sorry, its just funny.

with those remote things there only good up to 2 miles and they cant be reached in some buildings, as i read on and think more there is no really good alarm that can stop anybody, like rxrotary said be4...that sux wut happened to his car, i would be goin crazy. but this is the world we live in which sux...

have you guys heard about the alarms over in like poland and all over there...they have alarms where like a flame thrower comes out and shoots the guy up, electric shock door handles,and i think i heard of one where blades swing out and cut off there legs, to bad these things arnt legal in us.
geoff

I agree with you guys that if someone really wants your car, they're going to get it..but MOST thieves are going to leave it alone when they see the extensive protection you have. Also, MOST thieves are going to be driving around in a fucking flatbed either.

IMO, I think this site has the best DIY immobiliser system I've ever read about.
http://www.autospeed.com/A_0059/P_1/article.html
When I get my 2nd FD I will be using that set-up.

Here is a real inexpensive way to not have yo9u car driven away:

Install and HIDE a switch connected to the fuel pump relay. Hide it good. It's typical that if the theif cannot get the car started in a minute or less they will give-up. I had my FD stolen from a body shop parking lot. I had the PMS at the time and did have it set for 2.5k RPM, enough for the body shop guys to pull it in and work on it. The theives either rollbacked it away knew the PMS. I guess I should have removes the keypad! And yes, the cops could give two shits about your car. The first question they ask, which I think statisfies their own feelings, is "do you have coverage for theft?" INSTALL A HIDDEN SWITCH ON YOUR FUEL PUMP RELAY!!

You can also set that switch to a $1.50 Bosch relay that breaks the starter solenoid actuation electrical path (i.e. kill switch). Fuel pump would work too.

All I was saying about the hood switch is it doesn't behave the same every time. When the world is warm and dry, locking the door with the hood up goes to pre-arm, and closing the hood arms the system, and all is well with the world. Cold and wet, the system arms fully when locking the door and hood up. Then, about an hour later, the alarm goes off. Just happened again this evening. SUCH a weak little horn...

Remote activated kill switch. Silent, and they'll never get it to start. Until they pull it off the flat bed at the chop shop. Not your average meth-head, there...

They left the speaker? I'm still laughing... :)

This proves my point but it's still amazing that no one is listening? People like a "false" sense of security and will pay big money if you blow smoke up their :bootyshak

Air-Rex: Lojak is a one time fee and Telectrack has a monthly charge on top of the unit price. Lojak takes two or three police cars to triangulate a location. Teletrak work via GPS satelite just like Northstar and similar products. It will "NOT" prevent a theft but the theives have no way of knowing that it is installed and the car can be recovered. They both have a high recovery rate. Without them, there is a "ZERO" recovery rate. Police will only tell you to call your insurance and leave them alone!

Alarm pager: Ok, your pager goes off (assuming it actually works in the building your in) and you go outside and see only your alarm horn? ...then what? How many seconds do you think it takes to steal a car? Is no one paying attention here?

whoa whoa whoa. lets not ignore the fact that the batmobile's alarm system had a layer of metal fold out and cover your car. Did anyone think about that one? Sheesh

Im more afraid of people stealing the thing in my car, then the car. Like the Apex pfc, thats $1200+ 300 for the datalogit.
-andrew-

i see....:rolleyes: maybe i should start selling alarms. :cool:

the even funnier part is that the people installing these alarms have a lot of info on the cars/owners by them leaving the cars with them...we all know how many people on this board do their own work. ;) and the guys installing the alarm ar enot always the *most honest* people. trust me.

rofl.. ever wounder where all that metal was kept... i know... :moon: right in there. :D

hell with alarms. if my shit is gonna get stolen.. then oh well... the stock system is good enough.. and the PFC idea is the best ive herd in a while. not everyone runs around with a Stock rx-7 ECU :D

Thanks GoRacer, And I was thinking about recovery,
In your opinion which is better, it sounds like the Telectrack, but this is the first I've heard of it. TIA.
Eric

How about wheel boots? Hee Hee. In order to place your car in flat bed, all they have to do is place it in neutral and roll it on right? I think i've heard somewhere about alarm systems that go off when the car is elevated... something like that. Anyway, the PFC and pager alarm in conjunction sound like a pretty decent idea.

-HeX

I think aftermarket alarm systems are a waste of money. All they really do is tell you that your car was stolen.
2 of my friends had nice alarms w/ those pages. One night one of them saw their pager ringing. He looks out the window just to see his car zoom off down the street. Same thing happened to the other friend a year later.
Those thing going off by accident is a PITA as well.
Right now I have the stock system. I only plan on getting a lil remot for lock and unluck. The new Mazda's have a pretty nice and small remote. Wonder if those will work..
I want to get the Snap-off steering whee. You can just take off your steering wheel when you park you are at night. Another steering wheel will not work w/ it either.
No steering wheel = no driving.
Only way they can take it is to tow it which will cause too much noise.
http://www.snap-off.com/images/schematic_small.gif

My car was stolen by the place that installed the alarm. They made a copy of the key. The kid got into an accident making a left turn out of my street. The other car hit him and he was unconsious.

thanks for backing up what i said. :) sorry to hear about your car though. :(

Bastard got OWNED by karma.

Right now I'm doing the push button start from the s2000 and I had the idea to run a small toggle switch in-line with the relay. I'm not doing that great of a job explaining, but in essence you won't be able to even turn over the car while the switch is off. Just make sure its well hidden under the dash.

you can find a detailed write-up on the button start thing at www.iluvmyrx7.com

Matt

Racing steering wheels can be removed. Theives have used vice grips in place of steering wheels. Steering wheels can be cut of to get around the club or freon to shatter the lock. Keys and alarm remotes can be duplicated.

Someone just proved my point on the pager alerting you as you car leaves. So you call the police and they just tell you to leave them alone and call your insurance company.

Air-Rex: Teletrak is more accurate, since it can be pinpointed by computer and satelite but it has limitations (just think of cell phones). The drawback is a $14/mo fee. On the plus side, lend your car to your g/f and you can track where she is going "lol".
Lojack does not have a monthly fee but takes at least two police cars with Lojack equipment. It is "only" activated if the car is reported stolen. It's in alot of states. Teletrak is very limited, if not only CA but i'm sure there are similar companies that offer this service in other states.

Even with their limitations, there is over 90% chance of recovery within 24hrs but without it there is a .0001% chance of recovery. OK I made up the numbers, but you can tell my point. Both units will initially cost about $500.

And just to add to the holiday spirit, no they don't have to put it in neutral to get it onto a flat bed. Ever seen wheel dollies? For that matter, they can put it on the wheel dollies, wheel it to where there will be no noise worries, and off they go onto flat bed or tied to the back of a pick up. If they want it, they will take it. Ultimately, you are just trying to reduce the crackhead factor, which usually results in broken door glass. If there's nothing in it, they just keep moving. If they smash the window and open the door, the alarm goes off and the starter kill engages, and end of joyride. Anyway....

Thanks for the info GoRacer.
Eric