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congrats man, I always say my price is 17k as it sits when someone asks, I don't want to sell it.
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ludvig83, think about this...
Originally Posted by RENESISFD
(Post 10206410)
94touringfd, I completely agree with your statements. If I was working on a friends car to help them out and then they sell the car not long after I finished the work I woluld be upset as well. I think your brother should get a little piece of the $20k for his time and effort.
John Now, THAT would be a really nice thing to do, and would be a fair solution. :nod: |
Glad to see you listened to good advice, you made out great. You can get a whole lot more fd for $20k than what you had. Also, dont waste your new funds on the premium of a CYM(they are ugly anyways :) ). If you get into another fd find a well sorted track ready or street monster with good paint, suspension, brakes and motor and enjoy the car for what it was intended for.
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Just to clear up Luis is a great guy and timing just so happened that he was offered a remarkable deal. When he first contacted me I was like "hell yeah, sell that shit for $20k". After talking to him I started to think what would someone have to offer me to actually sell my car. It was at that point I started to realize the absolute ridiculous amount of money it would cost once I factored in the labor my brother put into the car. Now, if I did the work it would be different but being as my brother did the work for free with me because he's good guy and wanted me to have a solid car, I thought about how he would feel if I used his generosity to personally profit from. I thought wow he would probably feel like as if he had been taken advantage of. This is just how I personally felt and that's all that I was saying. He has no obligation to my brother at this point and to do something to show his appreciation would be generous no doubt, but that's up to him.
David your suggestions are right up his alley, knowing him, that's exactly what he'll do. I hope he decides to stay with FD's and just gets a beater to DD. |
Glad to see some maturity around here. Its nice for once. Granted your brother did something out of kindness for this guy, but that was his choice. I have undercharged for work before to help someone out, but I knew what I was getting into. I am sure he did as well. $20K for a mostly stock FD is a no brainer for me. I would sell mine for that today and it has 64,xxx on it.
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I'm not big on internet communication for the simple fact that sometimes it's difficult to properly interpret others. What people type can easily get skewed, especially since more often than not you don't know the person and their personality on the other end. I knew nothing about forums until I bought my FD. I like when RX7 owners show a camaraderie similar to that of Veterans. Though completely different since one is service and experience and the other is purely similarity in automative taste and interest, I have experienced both and am proud to be part of each of them. Luis and I share both and I would like to continue our friendship as his actions were in no way shape or form malicious. HOPEFULLY, when his schedule permits he'll use his good fortune to get another FD that'll make all of us jealous, lol.
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Gordon,
I actually agree w/ you. I sold my first FD for family reasons and got a RX8. Its a great car, but not the same. It feels more updated FC to me. I was soon considering going to a 911, but I have a soft spot in my heart for the FD. It was my favorite car as a kid and I have had several now. I enjoy them more than any other car even w/ there uniqueness. The funny thing is as I have gotten older I don't need the single turbo car where the I can go brag how high the hp I have is. I love the design of the car and enjoy the twins. I do believe they will become collectors as its getting harder and harder to find good ones for a reasonable price. I believe lower mileage cars are about to call a premium. We all know that the economy doesn't affect those w/ the money just those who finance. In the next few years I believe we will start seeing good cars go well into the 20's and I think it is great. Look at the supra forums, its a bit different mentality. |
Gmonson
The condition of the car you can judge from the pictures when it comes to the outside. I took those this past weekend. When people would see the interior they would always say, "has anyone ever actually sat in this car?" I always kept it cleaned and used products to protect from uv and so on. Everywhere I went always using a sunshield to keep that harmful sun from reaching the interior. It was a car that had never seen snow. A car from Florida that I brought with me as the service kept me moving me. Working on the underside was never a problem. Nothing was oxidized. I never bought this car as a go in between to a BMW. I bought a FD when I could have gotten a M3 or 135 right underneath 30k. That's my personal limit. I don't think any car is worth over 30k. The whole BMW 135 idea was me throwing out an idea just as much as I thought about the CYM wouldn't be so bad either. You can ask Matt this. I don't play the horsepower games. I have always tried to stay true to the car, and always upgrading wisely when something broke. I think the hardest choice for me with this car was when I decided to go non-sequential. I wanted to improve where Mazda didn't because corporate budgets that wont allow engineers desires to come true. I never wanted to change the car into something that was completely different. To be honest I believe this owner is not like me. I can tell already he has the itch to do some things. I'm trying to convince him otherwise. We'll see with time if he listened to me. |
Hopefully the new owner isn't a punk who drinks and wraps it around a tree on a Friday night, that's the fate of too many of these truly unique cars |
there is a nice cym with 5x,xxx miles and a newer pettit motor with mods for like 16 or 17k on cars.com :)
or you can pay 25k for one with the same miles but a little nicer and all original! i like all original cars. |
Originally Posted by gmonsen
(Post 10207918)
I don't really know what condition the car in question was in, but have been saying for the past few years that nice, stock-ish cars were going to soon be valued at $20,000 or more to wealthier buyers, who are not a part of the rotary community and this forum. We may not think they are that valuable and may be confident of our knowledge, but we are not the buyers for these cars. As I have said, perhaps the majority of members of this forum are young and let's say economically constrained. Many on here are either just interested in maximizing the performance of the cars or may even be leftover fast and furious JDM lovers. There are many drag racers and street racers and road racers and posers, but not that many wealthier, older lovers of sports cars or collectors of sports cars. Many on here would really rather have a new BMW or Porsche or whatever and only own the 7 because it is the most performance they can afford at this time in their careers. They plan to "move up" when they can. That is why the limited and shrinking stock of good FD's are and will continue to become more valuable to people possibly just like the buyer of this car. Maybe this guy is not the prototype buyer I am suggesting, but he may well be. Anyway, while some people may be congratulating the seller for getting such a strong and as-they-may-think, undeserved price, that will let the seller "move up" to a 135 BMW -- a car I would not own if given it -- this may be a sign that the FD, which continually has been praised since its introduction and these days is touted in more and more magazines as being collectible, is, in fact, surprise, actually collectible.
I realize that many on here, as always, will disagree, and are completely confident that their assessment of the car and its collectibility are "right" and that, I am wrong. That's what makes a market. The seller will happily buy, say, a new BMW that will depreciate like a stone, and the buyer will have a nice example of one of the all-time most beautiful, high performance sports cars ever made, which, if kept nice, will increase in value somewhat dramatically over time. Off my soap box for the moment. :) Gordon Couldn't have said it any better myself, Gordon. Very well said... |
Originally Posted by djseven
(Post 10206791)
You can get a whole lot more fd for $20k than what you had.
There are more backyard shade tree, hack job, chop shop, jerry-rigged/rice versions of these cars with each passing day, because more and more kids get ahold of them, slap an erector set wing on the back or or some other foolishness God help us all |
CYM and white are my absolute favorite FD colors but im stuck with red but nothing to complain about since red attracts alot of damn attention :p...in my opinion i would do it for 20k right away seeming you havent dumped a shit show of money into your car.
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A red FD with a slick wax and nice wheels still beats them all, and truly stands out. Who gives a shit if it's the most common FD color. There are far too many white, black, and silver cars on the road, and a yellow FD is more of a novelty - yeah, it looks cool for pictures but pretty soon your realize you're driving an RX-7 banana down the road
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Originally Posted by no_more_rice
(Post 10209177)
In terms of speed? Absolutely. In terms of an unmolested, beautiful near stock condition car, not really.....
There are more backyard shade tree, hack job, chop shop, jerry-rigged/rice versions of these cars with each passing day, because more and more kids get ahold of them, slap an erector set wing on the back or or some other foolishness God help us all edit: maybe that's just around here. |
Congrats on the sale. Now you can buy mine, pocket some cash and enjoy life. Ps mine is even in Canadian funds and I can drive it to you :)
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Originally Posted by reaper60606@aol.com
(Post 10209205)
CYM and white are my absolute favorite FD colors but im stuck with red but nothing to complain about since red attracts alot of damn attention :p...in my opinion i would do it for 20k right away seeming you havent dumped a shit show of money into your car.
Although if i were to get another FD, it would be an SSM. And do the silver on black theme. My VR gets alot of attention, til a BETTER red car shows up. lol Yes its happened to me at a rest stop parking lot. Parked the car, everyone was looking, getting closer looks etc etc. I come back out from the rest stop and i see a red F430 cruising the lot and he parks like 50 feet from my car. I literally felt like shit lol. Cause no FD can compete with that. I had to leave the lot right away lol |
^lol
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You did the right thing 100%.
Typically a car like yours would of sold for 15k in the open market to the right buyer. At 12k it would be considered a deal. Speaking of good deals I'd buy the SSM r2 in PA long before this car and he's asking 12k. 94 r2 vs 93 touring that's not even a close race. Will these cars become collectable? PLEASE at this point in the game if you are still debating this open your eyes to the love of the rotary because it's a collectable right now. Any 17 year old car selling for 15k in a poor economy is a collectable to somebody. The price of these cars has not changed in the 11 years I've owned them. I don't see the FD becoming the next mustang or corvette but it will command some serious dollars as time goes by. The best part about the car is what some consider the worst thing and that's the driveline. In order to truly appreciate it you have to drive a well sorted twin turbo SEQUENTIAL FD (don't get me started on non sequential FDs) for a couple of years preferrably autocrossing it, tracking it, hitting the back roads etc.... that's where these cars really excell. It's how the power comes on, how easy the chassis is to manipulate, the way it sounds, smells, doesn't vibrate (hehe), ON and ON.... the car is simply magical and you'll either become a possessed fanatic or it will blow up and you'll put a V8 in it and sell it 6 months later to buy a corvette which is where you should of started ;) Let the v8 debate begin and ruin another thread JK...........:D PS VR rules!!!!!! |
^^ Love reading the two above posts from two knowledgeable people in the rotary community..my car is close to stock and a blast to drive on the streets (when it gets out of the garage):)
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Yup!
My car is a blast to drive, and my only mods are in my sig! |
Originally Posted by DaveW
(Post 10210256)
Yup!
My car is a blast to drive, and my only mods are in my sig! The best setup FD I've driven for pure driving joy is Peter Hahn's car. All the goodies with 99 twins dynoing around 375 at 14psi. Sparco evo seats slammed to the floor with approx 18 inch ride height. Trust me when I say that seating position adds tremendously to the gravity of your sensations at the wheel. 400 in a single turbo 35r isn't too shabby but that can't compare to twins because it's loosing a good 1500 rpms in the power band along with down low torque which is all the FD needs to make it turn on a dime anytime you want and that can't be done with a single turbo. Oh and lets not forget the sensation of the secondary coming on line. DAMN I LOVE THIS CAR :worship: Gordon, Check ebay and buy that low mileage 95 VR and have KDR do a manual conversion before I do :lol: |
That 95 is nice. :drool: The only thing I'd do is put a downpipe on but I'd retain the slushbox. :lol:
Originally Posted by Fritz Flynn
(Post 10210405)
:nod:
The best setup FD I've driven for pure driving joy is Peter Hahn's car. All the goodies with 99 twins dynoing around 375 at 14psi. Sparco evo seats slammed to the floor with approx 18 inch ride height. Trust me when I say that seating position adds tremendously to the gravity of your sensations at the wheel. 400 in a single turbo 35r isn't too shabby but that can't compare to twins because it's loosing a good 1500 rpms in the power band along with down low torque which is all the FD needs to make it turn on a dime anytime you want and that can't be done with a single turbo. Oh and lets not forget the sensation of the secondary coming on line. DAMN I LOVE THIS CAR :worship: Gordon, Check ebay and buy that low mileage 95 VR and have KDR do a manual conversion before I do :lol: |
damn... now I'm kinda wishing mine had been sequential when I bought it after reading gordon and fritz's posts.
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+1 for sequental
John |
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