My front brake rotors (track car)- pics
 

I have the borsche 'big reds' in the front in the track car. The old hats were some 'heavier' metal than aluminum so I had a set remade in aluminum and custom 'floating' rotors made so that I could move to floating/slotted rotors instead of the oem solid mounted crossdrilled oem porsche rotors.

I dont have somthing here that can weight things as minute as these new aluminum hats, but i can tell you that both of the news ones together dont weight as much as just one of the old hats.

and the rotors/hardware make it a true 'floating' system, the rotor can expand seperatly from the hat.

here are pics:

http://www.myrx7.com/images/coleman_rotors_1.jpg

http://www.myrx7.com/images/coleman_rotors_2.jpg

http://www.myrx7.com/images/coleman_rotors_3.jpg

http://www.myrx7.com/images/coleman_rotors_4.jpg

http://www.myrx7.com/images/coleman_rotors_5.jpg

The hats/rotors were made by coleman racing and I got these done through a friend of mine that I met through track events, here is his contact info if you need somthing similar:

TJ Motorsports
tjmotorsports@ameritech.net

ask for Terry and tell him Damian sent ya :-)

Nice brakes

Do you have a custom caliper mounting bracket or do the Big Reds bolt onto the factory spots? I am intrested in your brake set-up for my own. You have the stock rears correct? or the 99 spec? can't remember. I will go thru him if he can put the whole deal together. calipers and such;) or is there another secret person to go to for the big red calipers?

Damian,

Some history if you are interested:
The "Porsche" brakes on your car were originally purchased by me from Ultimate Garages. I eventually sold them to Steven Strickler because I decided to go with M2 AP Racing brakes instead. Steven Strickler eventually sold his car to Foko. And subsequently, he sold the car to you.

The rotor and hat combination weighed 21.5 lbs when I got them.

How much do the new rotor and hat combination weigh?

The brake kit was made by Movit and sold initially through Ultimate Garages in New Jersey.

The brackets were, therefore, "custom" and weighed 1.5 lbs.

thanks :-) ill post more pics when i get them mounted

no, read above for the big red kit history info ....thanks mrstock :-)

my guy would only do hats/rotors setup for you

Thanks Mr.Stock.& Damian. I'll check for a site and availability still.

u da man!!!

This is the website for Ultimate Garage.
The Big Brakes link is, however, dead.

thanks for the good info, on my scale the new rotor/hat/hardware come to: 18lbs... pretty good huh :-) a few lbs off each site :-) hahahh lol

my car i bought has big red porsche brakes up vront with cross drilled rotors.. only problem is the guy i bought the car from doesnt know what porsche the calipers are fro so i can get replacements and i also dont know what type of rotors to get when these wear out because he bought the car from someone else like this and that person can not be contacted :(

if its the 'big reds' then they are from a 993 turbo porsche, and you can email the contact i made int he first post to get non-oem rotors.

Damian,

Did these come in before the hatch? :)

Tim

:rlaugh:

u bastid!!! and yes they did!!!!

Jan 4th is the day :)

Tim

Excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is the benefit of having a floating rotor? Damian, you mentioned that it allows the rotor and hat to expand separately? Does this aid in head dissipation?

do they make little bolts with safety wire for the point between the hat and rotor? doesn't look like there is a lot of thread on there...

Wow, nice brakes Damian. I've always been a fan of your track car, keep up the good work!

-Adam

I just shorted-out my keyboard :drool:

someone got some x-mas presents...

the hat and rotor are different metals so they expand at different rates when heated to the levels they get when braking as hard as track cars do. its 'nicer' on the rotor (and hat) if they are allowed to expand seperatly from each other rather than pulling/pushing on each other

i dont have them threaded all the way, there is plenty thread there once i have them fully seated, :-)

and the nuts and 'locking' style here the end of the nut is warped a bit.

Oops, forgot to post the link.
http://www.ultimategarage.com/

Gotcha. thanks :)

sure :-)

god damien...how much $$ do u have into your cars?

Nice!!

yeah, somthing silly.... but i work a lot so i have to enjoy it somehow :-)

i hear ya...just been reading alot about how u are getting all these new toys....frankly i am alitle jealous...hahha.

heheeh, well... my biz partner and I had a good year, so i have some $$ to spend on the track car... thus all the new track car toys ;-)

you may be jelous of the car toys, but i bet you would not be jelous of the 60-70 hours of work per week, working every weekend, and the very little sleep ;-)

Damian - and anyone else who's looking at the Porsche brakes
There are differences in the Big Red kits that Porsche puts on the cars so just because the caliper says Porsche on it and is Red doesn't make it the real Big Reds. My track car is a Porsche, and I recently upgraded to Big Blacks after my wallet couldn't afford Big Reds, so I have been doing some homework on them.
The best I can tell, the Boxster S "Big Reds" are the standard 996 brakes painted red, 318x28mm rotor in front with a 300x24 in the back. The 996 Turbo big Reds are 330x34 and 330 x 28 rotors.
I just bought the Pettit Racing Big Brake kit for the car after thinking about a Big Red kit. I haven't had the car out yet to see a big change.
The other thing that I wanted to ask was if you're using some kind of proportioning valve because of the difference in size of the pistons. I am still not sure if I will need to fit on to my car.
Hope this helps as I see a lot of Big Red calipers for sale, and they are off the Boxster S and not the 996

Just dont go falling asleep at the track Damian :P BTW, your videos rule. For some reason I laughed so hard at the marriage videos with the swords, LMAO.

Congrats on the whole car.

hi pincusa,

I am a little confused on your data, but i can tell you this, my kit used to use the oem rotors for the 993 turbo and they are 322x32. I dunno anything on the data your reffering to.

the 996 turbo calipers are not the same and i dont even think they are supposed to be called 'big reds'.... some people get confused and call them big reds, but to my understanding the only true 'Big Reds' were the 993 turbo calipers....although the later years did have 'bigger' and 'red' calipers.

>>The other thing that I wanted to ask was if you're using some kind of proportioning valve because of the difference in size of the pistons.

no, becasue the rears are upgraded RS/RZ model calipers/rotors, so the balalnce stayed pretty good, however i just removed the abs (and with it goes teh stock prop valve) so i will be adding a prop valve to adjust it.

I saw this car before he bought it at Laguna Seca. The brakes work well. The driver was braking at the same point or later than the GT2 Porsches that were there.

The first time I went to Laguna Seca I had stock brakes with racing pads and the brakes died halfway through the day. I now have ducted 13" rotors with Wilwood 6 pistons caliper up front and RZ brakes in the rear. It all fits under the stock rims. I have been to Laguna Seca twice with them so far and really like them.

-John

well i had a pretty good yr myself...but the wifey wanted a new kitchen, ethan allen living room set and so on. So unfortunately my car got neglected this yr :(
oh yeah and a baby on the way.

sorry to go off topic.

Damian,

Did you ever weigh the 99 group buy rotors from Precision? I can't find that thread that I thought someone posted the weight of them.

Tim

hey john, good to hear from you, yeah the brakes like a mofo!!! and if you watch my vids you can see that at MAM I gain a lot on the porsches in the brake -> trailbrake -> turnin area.

naw, never did, went on the street car after i got the track car since the track car had silly brakes already, so i didnt care :-)

Just a thought - I know some of the big brake kits don't use it, but you might want to consider safety-wiring those nuts. If these are typical lock-nuts with nylon inserts, the nylon is probably going to melt at the temps they are going to see there.

>>If these are typical lock-nuts with nylon inserts, the nylon is probably going to melt at the temps they are going to see there.

no they are not, as i tried to explain above post, but did a poor job:

>>and the nuts and 'locking' style here the end of the nut is warped a bit.

in other words, the nut is deformed a bit so that once you 'forcefully' thread it on all the way it will not un-thread very easily :-)

that is why my pics show them only threaded to the ends, and not into the deformed part of the nut yet, i did not want the thread them fully yet until im ready to mount them.

this harware/hats/rotors come from a company that does brake stuff for race cars all day/night long, so they know the dealio ;-)

..but safety wire is good too :-)

some pics i took of the rotors and calipers that are now big 'yellows' instead of big reds :-)

this was with Andy's (gooroo on the forum) new aquired ssr wheel on as a test fit to see if he could run the same brake setup:

http://www.myrx7.com/images/damian_brakes_yellow_1.jpg

ahh what great color combos:

http://www.myrx7.com/images/damian_brakes_yellow_2.jpg

Is it just me or is your brake ducting coming in from the wrong direction? Or did you just disconnect the hose when working on the car and flop it over?

Great looking brake setup.

Now just don't let those Hawk Blues (I assume that's the pad you have there) tear apart those nice new rotors.

EDIT: Ok I see the brake ducting in your pics of the radiator duct in the other thread. Questions answered!

Wow, Those calipers look almost identical to Stop Techs, which use a Porsche pad... except that ST put a bridge piece between the two indentations at the top and bottom of the pad opening, and mounted the retainer, which is similarly shaped, to the bridge.

The manual says that, depending on the piston sizes, they are a direct replacement for F40 or F50 Brembos (who builds Porsches calipers if i'm not mistaken) as well.

>>Is it just me or is your brake ducting coming in from the wrong direction? Or did you just disconnect the hose when working on the car and flop it over?

im trying a new airflow idea, get air fromt he back of the engine bay and feed it to the brake ducts, cool huh :-) (hehehe)

hahah, your right, i flopped them over the other way to work on the front, they go to that openign below the oil cooler, you can see it int he back of the pic above.


..and yep those are hawk blues, and yeah, they do eat rotors, and anything else that their dust contact LOL they are nasty, but i do like how they perform, althoguh i do like some of the other pads, the blues are affordable for me, the other pads i like (some pfc ones, et) are much more $$ and with the amount of events i do I can't afford them.

these are the true original porshe BIG REDs, from a 993 tt, the kit was from Movit back when they made it for the FD. I had the hats redone in aluminum and rotors/hardware converted to floating. Brembo does make the calipers, its even embossed on the back part of the caliper.

>>except that ST put a bridge piece between the two indentations at the top and bottom of the pad opening, and mounted the retainer, which is similarly shaped, to the bridge

this is how some of the newer porshce calipers are too, so it its a good posibillity that brembo makes them all :-)

Have you tried the Porterfield R1 pads? They're just a little bit more expensive than the blues but are really nice to your rotors.

i think i did try them, and i liked em, the blues were a little more aggressive but the cost difference was like $40 for my pad size...eeeekkk!!!!