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Herblenny 02-16-12 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by TwinCharged RX7 (Post 10982039)
Is E85 better for power on the dyno too? I think we'll have to trade emissions scoring for power scoring, or vice versa.

E85, you could be more aggressive... and with good ignition and amount of fuel, you should and could make more power... Well, that's what Ive heard so don't quote me.. But many I have talked to E85 is becoming a better choice for high HP application.

RCCAZ 1 02-16-12 09:54 PM

Spoke with the SCCA National Champ that works with me at Honeywell and he is definitely IN if someone is interested and needs a driver to assist. I've seen several posts that talk about race gas, 93 octane and E85. Not sure if they rules allow anything OTHER than what's available in AZ out of the pump. If that's the case, 91 is the highest, however several stations sell 100 octane unleaded in the pump as well as E85. Just an FYI!

Turblown 02-16-12 10:42 PM


Originally Posted by Herblenny (Post 10981787)
Can you email me some detail specs? herblenny@gmail.com

Make sure the car is quiet :) I just verified with Modified and no points will be gain below 95dB and points will be taken away after 95dB.

Here is a dB comparison chart..

http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/loudness.html

Email sent.

TwinCharged RX7 02-16-12 11:28 PM


Originally Posted by RCCAZ 1 (Post 10982732)
Spoke with the SCCA National Champ that works with me at Honeywell and he is definitely IN if someone is interested and needs a driver to assist. I've seen several posts that talk about race gas, 93 octane and E85. Not sure if they rules allow anything OTHER than what's available in AZ out of the pump. If that's the case, 91 is the highest, however several stations sell 100 octane unleaded in the pump as well as E85. Just an FYI!

I think an SCCA champ counts as a Pro so not sure if he'd be allowed to race.

-=Lil Red=- 02-17-12 12:24 AM

I'd love to do this. But i also need a cat, need interior back in, need to quiet the car, etc...

RCCAZ 1 02-17-12 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by TwinCharged RX7 (Post 10982832)
I think an SCCA champ counts as a Pro so not sure if he'd be allowed to race.

IMO, PRO = getting paid $$$ to drive. Pretty sure he's not in that category, but maybe Phil can get some clarification for us :)

Herblenny 02-17-12 07:21 AM

In my opinion, "pro" means someone's sole or majority of their income comes from driving. Not sure if I count someone just winning an event as an enthusiast as a pro. But I will ask this question.

Herblenny 02-17-12 08:02 AM

Just received this email from Modified Magazine...


Originally Posted by Modified Magazine
No pro drivers allowed. We define a pro driver as anyone who has raced in a pro series (e.g. World Challenge, Grand Am, Formula D, ALMS, or any other series that requires a SCCA Pro or FIA license) in the last 3 years. If there's some uncertainty over a driver's pro status with us, have them send us a driver resume and we'll let you know if they're eligible to compete or not.

So, hope this info helps.. I guess I was wrong about what they consider PRO...

TwinCharged RX7 02-17-12 08:20 AM

Here is the specific clause from the rules:

nvm, just saw Phil's last post haha.

RCCAZ 1 02-17-12 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by Herblenny (Post 10983028)
Just received this email from Modified Magazine...

So, hope this info helps.. I guess I was wrong about what they consider PRO...


Originally Posted by TwinCharged RX7 (Post 10983043)
Here is the specific clause from the rules:

nvm, just saw Phil's last post haha.

Thanks guys. IMO they should hire ONE pro for each category and have them do the driving for ALL competitors in their respective category to get a TRUE representatation of the differences between each car. Then these PROs could do the judging and final writeups on their impressions of each car. Again, JMO!!

But wait a minute. That would make TOTAL sense, so we'll probably NIX that idea.

If they used some popular Big Name drivers they might also draw more attention to the CHALLENGE in their magazine, thus resulting in EVEN MORE magazine sales. Nah... it'll never work :)

Supernaut 02-17-12 12:58 PM

If we don't win this, Phil is selling one of his FDs.

RCCAZ 1 02-17-12 02:19 PM

Just checked and my Honeywell driver does NOT have a PRO or FIA license, so he should be OK to participate :)

Insane Driver 02-17-12 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by TwinCharged RX7 (Post 10980757)
Can anyone recommend the best way to get a car out there?

http://www.catexpress.com/

The owner of the company is a die hard car freak. He won Bullrun last year in his GTR.

Insane Driver 02-17-12 03:41 PM

I would have loved to enter this competition. The only thing is that my car is going to PFS in March and I doubt that it will be ready in time.

t-von 02-17-12 07:51 PM

The only thing that sucks about this is that there is no na division. :sad:

David Hayes 02-26-12 09:31 AM

Well, there's good news and bad news for me. The good news is Carbonetic has agreed to sponsor me and to hook me up with one of their awesome 2 way carbon LSDs and a new center hub to convert my triple disc clutch to a T56 setup. I really appreciate their willingness to do this for me.

The bad news is the center hub section has to be sourced from Japan as I understand it, making it very unlikely I could get the car together and shipped off to the event within the next month. So I think I am out barring some car miricale :)

I am going to take Caronetic up on the sponsorship offer as it's just too good to pass up. So at the very least, at DGRR I'll be sporting a new 2 way carbon LSD if you would like to check this out. Carbonetic claims it is OEM quiet like and works great so we'll put it thru the test and report back. As for the T56 center hub, it's pretty cool you can just swap out the center section and make the triple disc carbon clutch compatible with a T56.

RCCAZ 1 02-26-12 09:39 AM

Sorry to hear David, but glad the Carbonetic deal is working out.

David Hayes 02-26-12 09:50 AM

^Thanks Tim. The next time something like this rolls around I'll be ready. Just when you think you are done, you're not :) The Carbonetic pieces will help me though when I go to VIR in a few months.

allrotor93 02-26-12 01:12 PM

Do they know you arent going to be in the shoot out even though you are getting parts?

David Hayes 02-26-12 01:16 PM

^Yes. I emailed them about the timing and told them it was highly unlikely we (read "Steve" :) ) could pull it off without immediate parts. Their info to me didn't reference the shootout, it referenced all other events and the "rules" for the sponsorship.

I'll let them decide if they wish to move forward, but it seems they will. It will be good advertising for them one way or another so it should be worthwhile.

Turblown 02-26-12 07:30 PM

I believe all the cars have been chosen, but I'm not positive. There is one TT FD in it, and an Rx-8 I've sponsored.

David Hayes 02-27-12 10:02 AM

^They still had me as participating. Spoke with Modified this morning to let them know what's up. Ill be doing the event next year.

Turblown 02-27-12 10:11 AM

Cool. Give me a shout when the time comes around next year and we can work something out if you want. I am flying down for this event this year. Should be a lot of fun...

Herblenny 02-27-12 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by Supernaut (Post 10983348)
If we don't win this, Phil is selling one of his FDs.

LOL! But it might happen :)


Originally Posted by David Hayes (Post 10995718)
^They still had me as participating. Spoke with Modified this morning to let them know what's up. Ill be doing the event next year.

Dave, I think you should still go.. But next year, my 3 rotor will be ready and I was told I'll definitely have a spot.. LOL! We shall see which 3 rotor they end up picking :)

TwinCharged RX7 02-27-12 10:34 AM

I'm still in the running, just pray for me to finish in 2 weeks so I can do a little test and tune before shipping it out.

Moved the car to the new garage this weekend, which means I can finally start bolting all the new pieces on.

patman 02-27-12 10:57 AM

This makes me want to put my 20B in an FD...

Seriously, I think a e85 20B car with a small turbo and a quiet exhaust is the ticket for this one.

TwinCharged RX7 02-27-12 11:14 AM

The 20b will surely give an advantage, but the 13b can hang too.

Supernaut 02-27-12 11:37 AM

The 20b will upset the 50/50 balance unless it is pulled in right?

David Hayes 02-27-12 12:08 PM

^Not too much really Andy. I'm going to have mine weighed and corner balanced soon and report on this but I doubt any of us except serious drivers would notice a difference.

Remember, we all take off the heavy twins and relocate the battery so I bet it's pretty close to ideal, even with the 20B.

David Hayes 02-27-12 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by Herblenny (Post 10995725)
Dave, I think you should still go.. But next year, my 3 rotor will be ready and I was told I'll definitely have a spot.. LOL! We shall see which 3 rotor they end up picking :)

Yep, if the center hub section could be sent ASAP I'd give it a go. We'll have to duke it out for next year then :) I'll have some track time in starting at VIR so we should be able to figure out how the car will handle and adjust to dial it in.

patman 02-27-12 12:11 PM

It depends on the setup. Most guys who do a 20B either mount it a little farther back or remove enough other front weight to maintain or improve the weight distribution. Most cars that have 20B level power would benefit from a rear weight balance, more like 46F/54R again depending on setup and purpose of the car.

RCCAZ 1 02-27-12 12:56 PM

It will be interesting to see the results from this year. That "should" dictate the RX-7 communities actions for fielding something for next year. From what I understand, a local owner with a non-US GTR has made it in as well. Would be nice if it was limited to just DOT legal rides. Oh well. Has Phil or anyone else seen the "final" list of accepted competitors and their rides?

Herblenny 02-27-12 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by RCCAZ 1 (Post 10995942)
Has Phil or anyone else seen the "final" list of accepted competitors and their rides?

Not yet, I'll see if they are willing to share that info this early..

TwinCharged RX7 02-27-12 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by RCCAZ 1 (Post 10995942)
It will be interesting to see the results from this year. That "should" dictate the RX-7 communities actions for fielding something for next year. From what I understand, a local owner with a non-US GTR has made it in as well. Would be nice if it was limited to just DOT legal rides. Oh well. Has Phil or anyone else seen the "final" list of accepted competitors and their rides?

I believe there are classes, so a 4x4 gtr wouldn't really be competing against an fd.

David Hayes 02-27-12 03:18 PM

Just got off the phone with Carbonetic. They're okay with me not making the shootout. The center hub piece I need needs to be made in Japan and shipped here. Earliest ETA is in 3 weeks so that puts me out for sure.

The carbon 2 way LSD is shipping today and we'll install that pronto to see how it works so at a minimum I'll have that for Deals Gap.

t-von 07-20-12 06:30 PM

So when will this issue be out?

Turblown 07-26-12 10:14 PM

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Its out now...

patman 08-12-12 01:39 PM

Well that was sure a disappointing article. Instead of a 20b fd we got represented by an rx8 that was slower than a stock fd

David Hayes 08-12-12 05:05 PM

Well I plan on being at the event next year. Working now on sponsors for a T56 conversion. Making good progress.


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