I think it is time I sell my FD
I want to hang onto it, but I am getting married, my convertible is running but I don't feel good driving it (or the FD) long distance because of parts availability issues, and I just picked up a rod knock on my BMW so I will be replacing it soon. So I thought I would post here to see what the thoughts are regarding sale price... So, at this time I am just curious to see what you all thought I might be able to get for it.
Some details.
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If there is any way you can convince yourself to keep it, I would. These cars are getting harder and harder to come by, and I know I have serious regret over several cars I've sold in the past that i know i cannot replace.
Yours looks to be in pretty good shape, and if you sorted out the couple of cons you've listed, I'd strongly suggest you find a way to keep it. Maybe get a compression test done on the engine to see what shape its in. That might be a determinant factor if you keep, or sell, and will give you some more data on the oil consumption concern. |
Originally Posted by GtiKyle
(Post 12507137)
If there is any way you can convince yourself to keep it, I would. These cars are getting harder and harder to come by, and I know I have serious regret over several cars I've sold in the past that i know i cannot replace.
Yours looks to be in pretty good shape, and if you sorted out the couple of cons you've listed, I'd strongly suggest you find a way to keep it. Maybe get a compression test done on the engine to see what shape its in. That might be a determinant factor if you keep, or sell, and will give you some more data on the oil consumption concern. |
I would fix it and keep it. Being a salvage title hurts the value a lot. Might as well hold it till even salvage values are high.
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Originally Posted by BLKTOPTRVL
Originally Posted by BLKTOPTRVL
currently the master and booster need replacing and I cannot find them
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Salvage title NSX just pulled almost every bit as much as a clean title on BaT. Just some food for thought. GL - hope you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by ConSynX
Salvage title NSX just pulled almost every bit as much as a clean title on BaT. Just some food for thought. GL - hope you can keep it.
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In the end, everything ends up belonging to someone else anyway.
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OP, you need to ask yourself: is this car enhancing my life or becoming a burden? If you get rid of it, are you getting rid of it because you are ready or because you feel pressure to? Will there be a feeling of loss when it's gone, or a feeling of relief?
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Sooooooo….
The big question is, what do you want to get out of it?
pm me if you have a number in mind. I’m looking for a project for me and my 15 year old son and I miss my fd. |
Originally Posted by BLKTOPTRVL
(Post 12507133)
For booster, it could be a check valve for the vac line, check if booster works on idle. In any case, keep an eye on market place and parts will show up. I would personally not sell it for just this reason... |
You can send the brake booster out to be rebuilt. I'm a 1st gen guy and that's what we have to do. But for my '85 I can buy brake and clutch master cylinders no problem. RockAuto, Mazdatrix, etc etc carry them.
*EDIT - just looked and nobody has brake master cylinders for you FD guys, just rebuild kits. I'm very surprised. But regardless, if you want to keep your rare and classic sports car legend, rebuilding a master (and sending the booster out) is a fairly cheap investment. If you want to sell it there are many, many people looking for one. Good luck. |
Being 77 years young, I never had a mid life crisis moment. Because I have always been a sports car person from my first car (57 TR3) until I die.
If my wife and I could only afford a single car, then it was a sports sedan or coupe. Then when things improved, the wife would have her family car and I would have my car. I never gave up the dream and challenge. |
Originally Posted by cewrx7r1
(Post 12507974)
Being 77 years young, I never had a mid life crisis moment. Because I have always been a sports car person from my first car (57 TR3) until I die.
If my wife and I could only afford a single car, then it was a sports sedan or coupe. Then when things improved, the wife would have her family car and I would have my car. I never gave up the dream and challenge. |
Originally Posted by cewrx7r1
(Post 12507974)
Being 77 years young, I never had a mid life crisis moment. Because I have always been a sports car person from my first car (57 TR3) until I die.
If my wife and I could only afford a single car, then it was a sports sedan or coupe. Then when things improved, the wife would have her family car and I would have my car. I never gave up the dream and challenge. I was just thinking that I'll keep my car even after they make it illegal, like in The Last Chase (1981) or Death Race 2000. :dragster: |
Re: the Master and Booster...
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...build-1151552/ I am just getting around to checking the rebuild of the master (didn't have time - or inclination during the winter).
Originally Posted by brainhouston
(Post 12507943)
Would help if you elaborate on this but i've rebuilt my master cause of most common issue where internal valve gets stuck (pedal goes very soft half way then like hitting rock...). It was easy job and zero dollars, didn't even need any seals, just clean and reinstall.
For booster, it could be a check valve for the vac line, check if booster works on idle. In any case, keep an eye on market place and parts will show up. I would personally not sell it for just this reason... |
Originally Posted by Maxwedge
(Post 12507959)
You can send the brake booster out to be rebuilt. I'm a 1st gen guy and that's what we have to do. But for my '85 I can buy brake and clutch master cylinders no problem. RockAuto, Mazdatrix, etc etc carry them.
*EDIT - just looked and nobody has brake master cylinders for you FD guys, just rebuild kits. I'm very surprised. But regardless, if you want to keep your rare and classic sports car legend, rebuilding a master (and sending the booster out) is a fairly cheap investment. If you want to sell it there are many, many people looking for one. Good luck. Sometime later this week, I will get back to the master and look over the rebuild I did in the fall to see if there is a problem I caused. |
Originally Posted by cewrx7r1
(Post 12507974)
Being 77 years young, I never had a mid life crisis moment. Because I have always been a sports car person from my first car (57 TR3) until I die.
If my wife and I could only afford a single car, then it was a sports sedan or coupe. Then when things improved, the wife would have her family car and I would have my car. I never gave up the dream and challenge. I'm 79.5 YO, and I'm still racing my F2000. Even so, getting the FD out for a spirited drive still turns me on. |
It is a clean title - no "brands." When I saw that it had been crashed, I took it to the dealership to be inspected, the mechanic (someone I trusted) said it was put back together very well.
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Originally Posted by BLKTOPTRVL
(Post 12507163)
Thanks, I already tested the engine. It was 110, 110, 105. or something very similar.
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Originally Posted by DaveW
(Post 12509342)
:)
I'm 79.5 YO, and I'm still racing my F2000. Even so, getting the FD out for a spirited drive still turns me on. |
Originally Posted by DaveW
(Post 12509342)
:)
I'm 79.5 YO, and I'm still racing my F2000. Even so, getting the FD out for a spirited drive still turns me on. |
Like new brake booster:
https://www.rx7club.com/market/1164029 will include a rebuilt master cylinder. |
People have been asking for more pictures... so, I uncovered the car for the first time in two years... as usual, when the interior is not had a change to breathe, it gets kinda funky in there, but nothing a rag and a little soapy water can't fix. But the exterior, uncovering that gives me feeling that I haven't felt in a long time. The convertible makes me want to keep and work on it whenever I wash it down. But with the FD, it doesn't even have to be clean to invoke those same feelings.
Interior, except for the shifter knob and boost gauge, the appearance is completely stock. Engine/Drivetrain except for Exterior except for turn signals and R1 lip are completely stock. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...d1fc7472f0.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...ec3717b0ac.jpg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...9636a1a7b4.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...e02998dc35.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...65469524a4.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...7c6066316e.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...0121da80ac.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...5c520560e1.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...535502a089.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...6688f40709.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...c4c7884f55.jpg |
I'm in the same boat as you with looking to sell the FD. In my case, I have a wife going through cancer and a number of medical issues myself that prevent me from enjoying the car at all. Sometimes you just know when it's best to move on. Good luck on your sale.
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Just buy a used booster from Tom! I think rx7parts might have a few as well. Or post a WTB on the facebook page. An MC is even less an obstacle. You can get a 929 plug and play from chips motorsports, or get a stock 929 rebuild + ABS delete kit from FDAuto or pick up an OEM on ebay and rebuild it. (Noting of course that I myself am 2 months into replacing all my brake components and still chasing gremlins, so I understand the impulse to sell. If my car looked as good as yours I would be a lot more inspired...)
As for selling, I think the suspension/alignment issues will hurt your buyer pool as will the mileage. Compression numbers are great though and the OEM appearance is desirable. I think you need to fix the booster and MC regardless of whether you decide to sell or keep, otherwise you're killing your price. So assuming you fix that I would say you could get $27k, the price being low only because of the suspension issues. I think you could get $35k if you could get the suspension issues addressed by a shop to the point that you wouldn't have to qualify the situation. I think the mileage is going to cap you at that point. It's a soft market right now. There's a steady stream of FDs for sale on the Facebook groups, BAT, and carsandbids. Prices tend to pick up when the weather gets nice though. |
Originally Posted by sunkat
(Post 12593791)
Just buy a used booster from Tom! I think rx7parts might have a few as well. Or post a WTB on the facebook page. An MC is even less an obstacle. You can get a 929 plug and play from chips motorsports, or get a stock 929 rebuild + ABS delete kit from FDAuto or pick up an OEM on ebay and rebuild it. (Noting of course that I myself am 2 months into replacing all my brake components and still chasing gremlins, so I understand the impulse to sell. If my car looked as good as yours I would be a lot more inspired...)
As for selling, I think the suspension/alignment issues will hurt your buyer pool as will the mileage. Compression numbers are great though and the OEM appearance is desirable. I think you need to fix the booster and MC regardless of whether you decide to sell or keep, otherwise you're killing your price. So assuming you fix that I would say you could get $27k, the price being low only because of the suspension issues. I think you could get $35k if you could get the suspension issues addressed by a shop to the point that you wouldn't have to qualify the situation. I think the mileage is going to cap you at that point. It's a soft market right now. There's a steady stream of FDs for sale on the Facebook groups, BAT, and carsandbids. Prices tend to pick up when the weather gets nice though. I DID buy a brake MC and booster from a member (Jim) last week and I am installing them today/this week. And I think I am going back deeper down that rabbit trail. Thanks. I think this thread might now become a cleanup/rebuild thread rather than "should I sell?" |
So, I thought it would be easier to get the master booster out if I remove the driver seat. This has given me an opportunity to get a better look at it's leather. (Pictures attached.)
Looking at it, As I said here or someplace else, the seat is on OK, but not good condition. And the driver seat is far worse than the passenger - which looks practically new by comparison. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...44eea6556d.jpg Complete Driver https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...b055ce8e49.jpg Seatback Bolster https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...2f1112a7a9.jpg Seat Bottom Bolster The bolsters are pretty cut up from the years of climbing over them getting into and out of the car. For now, maybe I will just find a temporary cover. Edit: I was going to see if a local upholsterer could do an OEM look replacement, then I found this site... https://www.lseat.com/products/1992-...ers-front.html Economically speaking, this would be better than going through the expense of a temporary cheap cover and then replacing it later. The question is... is their product any good? Does anyone here have any opinions of their workmanship/products? |
They're not cut. The top surface of the leather is just cracked from use. IMO, that is the usual "vintage" leather look, which is not a bad thing. As long as it's not torn, I'd just clean/lubricate it with saddle soap. That's what I do with mine ~once/year.
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Originally Posted by DaveW
(Post 12594467)
They're not cut. The top surface of the leather is just cracked from use. IMO, that is the usual "vintage" leather look, which is not a bad thing. As long as it's not torn, I'd just clean/lubricate it with saddle soap. That's what I do with mine ~once/year.
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Lseats used my covers as their pattern. I have had them on my car for a couple of years. I have driven less than 1,000 miles since installed; so I can't vouch for durability.
https://www.rx7club.com/interior-ext...alled-1155341/ |
Originally Posted by BLKTOPTRVL
(Post 12594493)
Vintage wouldn't be too bad - if I didn't have all those cracks with white lines showing. Maybe I need to dye the leather? Saddle soap... I stopped using a long time ago because I felt it did more harm than good to leather. What I wish the seats actually had is a Velcro attachment point for a small strip of material that could sit atop the actual leather and be removed and replaced as necessary as it wears.
Why do you think saddle soap does more harm than good? I've not had any reason to think that and I've been using it since I got my FD and on my wife's '07 Audi. Answered my own question below. Cheap saddle soap can, indeed, not be good. From the web: ... as a chemist I did some quick reading on Google. Saddle soap can be highly alkaline (pH >10) and thus cause leather to degrade and crack. Better saddle soap products may contain mink oil, beeswax and lanolin. Fiebing's is apparently rich in lanolin so you may be using a very good product. I think your followup with a leather conditioner is a good step. This may alleviate any issues from the saddle soap. But in any case, do not change to a cheap saddle soap or you find the consequences (darkening and cracking) not to your liking |
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