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mazda v 02-04-04 12:39 AM

how much horse power can a stock 93rx7?
 
how much horsepower can be put onto a stock 93rx7 hold? so i dont blow my engine.

SNracing 02-04-04 12:46 AM

the stock hp of an fd is 255. you could get 400hp, mabie 500 hp out of a stock motor, with a single turbo, and A LOT of other stuff. with stock motor and twins, you should be able to get around 400hp. if you keep the stock ecu, you will only be able to get about 300hp out of it. it depends on how much money you have and what you want to do with the car. more info would help: as in what mods you have now, what you want out of the car, and have you done any reliability mods?

cloud9 02-04-04 01:33 AM

not blowing the engine has less to do with power output and more to do with you treating the car right

diablone 02-04-04 01:59 AM

Re: how much horse power can a stock 93rx7?
 

Originally posted by mazda v
how much horsepower can be put onto a stock 93rx7 hold? so i dont blow my engine.
How big is your muffler?

mazda v 02-04-04 02:10 AM

im have in my garage and bonez 3"dp to connect to rsr gt 2 cat back 3"..i wanna see how much power it can hold if i put a single turbo in it without blowing the engine...i wanna have a 10 sec street car...i have another window with that question..but what mods do you suggest?

spoolin93r1 02-04-04 02:34 AM

hitting 10's on a stock ported motor is possible, but you're looking at an easy $10k in mods to be able to achieve it. there's a guy on the board that uses a stock mazda reman motor and a kkk turbo from srmotorsports that runs 10's. i think his name is erniet or sumthing along those lines. an fd is not a cheap car to upgrade over 350-380rwhp

SNracing 02-04-04 03:18 AM

Re: Re: how much horse power can a stock 93rx7?
 

Originally posted by diablone
How big is your muffler?
:rofl:



have you done any reliability mods... those should be first, if you dont want a blown motor. a well tuned aftermarket ecu is the key keeping your motor in good condition. the ecu will allow you to add as many mods as you like, and keep the a/f ratio in a safe range. detnation is the biggest killer of rotary's.

WaachBack 02-04-04 03:26 AM

Re: Re: how much horse power can a stock 93rx7?
 

Originally posted by diablone
How big is your muffler?
:rlaugh:

DMRH 02-04-04 03:41 AM


Originally posted by SNracing
the stock hp of an fd is 255. you could get 400hp, mabie 500 hp out of a stock motor, with a single turbo, and A LOT of other stuff. with stock motor and twins, you should be able to get around 400hp. if you keep the stock ecu, you will only be able to get about 300hp out of it. it depends on how much money you have and what you want to do with the car. more info would help: as in what mods you have now, what you want out of the car, and have you done any reliability mods?
The power figure is not quite that as there was 3 power levels to the FD production life.

92-95 = series-6 = 255hp
96-98 = series-7 = 265hp
99-02 = series-8 = 280hp

I to confirm that the best you should hope for whilst maintaining the twin turbo's is around 400hp. Not exceeding 16psi that is as they pop very quickly over that.

REgards

mazda v 02-04-04 01:18 PM

like and ecu uprgrade i can fiind that at rx7store.net?can you give me some product names?

twinturboteddy 02-04-04 01:35 PM


Originally posted by spoolin93r1
hitting 10's on a stock ported motor is possible, but you're looking at an easy $10k in mods to be able to achieve it. there's a guy on the board that uses a stock mazda reman motor and a kkk turbo from srmotorsports that runs 10's. i think his name is erniet or sumthing along those lines. an fd is not a cheap car to upgrade over 350-380rwhp
No it isn't!!!!!

Name me more than 4 people in the 10's that are still streetable.

rx7raca 02-04-04 01:44 PM

Ya mazda v, i dont think you realize how hard it is to make a 10 sec car. your talking about lots of mods. Also by us saying mods, doesnt mean just for the engine. You have to upgrade couple drivetrain parts, reliability mods, fuel mods, turbo mods, ignition, the list goes on and on. i think 10k is cutting it cheap if you want a good 10sec car. just my opion.
Let us know when you get that 10sec car...

spoolin93r1 02-04-04 02:49 PM


Originally posted by twinturboteddy
No it isn't!!!!!

Name me more than 4 people in the 10's that are still streetable.

there's plenty of people on the board that are capable of 10's, but don't go to the track. all it takes is 450+rwhp and some good driving. most anyone with a t78 could do it with turbo blue and 20-21psi. goin to the track just doesn't tickle a lot of people's fancy, plus noone wants to put cages in their car to make them legal. there's even the one guy with twins that recently went 10.99. he put down 404whp before he got a ported motor, so he's probably around 430-440whp now

Garrett 02-04-04 03:00 PM

I'd say you'd have to upgrade your muffler size to 4inches (maybe more) to even begin to talk about 10 seconds.

I forgot how big Vin Diesel's muffler was because he had an RX-7 and it would help to know. I think his car was 10 seconds. He comes on here every so often, just wait until he responds. I'm sure he'll tell you how to drive a 10 second car and plus he has all of that sophisticated computer equipment that you saw in the movie. Just make sure you don't granny shift but instead I would double clutch every gear. Definitely invest in a NOS system before you upgrade anything. Maybe a 100 shot at first then 200 when you hit the street races.

Garrett

SPOautos 02-04-04 03:33 PM


Originally posted by spoolin93r1
there's plenty of people on the board that are capable of 10's, but don't go to the track. all it takes is 450+rwhp and some good driving. most anyone with a t78 could do it with turbo blue and 20-21psi. goin to the track just doesn't tickle a lot of people's fancy, plus noone wants to put cages in their car to make them legal. there's even the one guy with twins that recently went 10.99. he put down 404whp before he got a ported motor, so he's probably around 430-440whp now
Actually I dont think it helped him more than a few hp. The exhaust for a twin setup is more restrictive than the engine so to be honest I dont think having a port job does much of anything for you unless you have a single turbo.

And, twinturboteddy is right man, sure there are a few people that have got into the 10's but most of them arent doing it in street trim and that ones that do (like John, the guy your talking about) goes to the track A LOT and has all the supporting mods like a upgraded diff, ect so he can run 1.4x 60 foot times on slicks.

For the typical person on the board to go to a track with some drag radials and cut the normal decent 1.8 60 foot times they are going to need around 500rwhp. Thats why you dont see many people on here with 10 second slips. Buying the parts is the easy part...making it all work together and knowing how to cut 1.4x 60 foot times is the hard part....especially when the same car is a daily driven street car.

STEPHEN

DCrosby 02-04-04 03:34 PM

Don't forget the blurry windows mod, when you hit the NOS ! :rlaugh: :rlaugh:
That's at least worth another 1/4 second :D

Str8Down 02-04-04 03:49 PM

Be better off to drop in the LS1. With a few mods on the LS1, you could run 10's and still be streetable.

bee 02-04-04 04:17 PM

You should wait until you turn 16 to worry about this stuff. Driving without a license is a pretty hefty fine.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

If by chance you are of age, go buy a supra buddy. Taking an english class might help too.

Detbyron 02-04-04 04:29 PM


Originally posted by Garrett
I'd say you'd have to upgrade your muffler size to 4inches (maybe more) to even begin to talk about 10 seconds.

I forgot how big Vin Diesel's muffler was because he had an RX-7 and it would help to know. I think his car was 10 seconds. He comes on here every so often, just wait until he responds. I'm sure he'll tell you how to drive a 10 second car and plus he has all of that sophisticated computer equipment that you saw in the movie. Just make sure you don't granny shift but instead I would double clutch every gear. Definitely invest in a NOS system before you upgrade anything. Maybe a 100 shot at first then 200 when you hit the street races.

Garrett

:rofl:
And you're definatly going to need a louder BOV!

And get rid of useless weight like passenger seat, UIM, ABS, power steering, spare tire, body panels.


....I'm a little hard time understanding you what you are trying to type, so please re-read your post-whore before it anyway.

SkywarpR 02-04-04 04:30 PM

Re: how much horse power can a stock 93rx7?
 

Originally posted by mazda v
how much horsepower can be put onto a stock 93rx7 hold? so i dont blow my engine.
Just get a boost controller and crank it ALL the way up. Then you'll be in the 10's fo sho. :banghead:

spoolin93r1 02-04-04 04:56 PM


Originally posted by SPOautos
Actually I dont think it helped him more than a few hp. The exhaust for a twin setup is more restrictive than the engine so to be honest I dont think having a port job does much of anything for you unless you have a single turbo.

And, twinturboteddy is right man, sure there are a few people that have got into the 10's but most of them arent doing it in street trim and that ones that do (like John, the guy your talking about) goes to the track A LOT and has all the supporting mods like a upgraded diff, ect so he can run 1.4x 60 foot times on slicks.

For the typical person on the board to go to a track with some drag radials and cut the normal decent 1.8 60 foot times they are going to need around 500rwhp. Thats why you dont see many people on here with 10 second slips. Buying the parts is the easy part...making it all work together and knowing how to cut 1.4x 60 foot times is the hard part....especially when the same car is a daily driven street car.

STEPHEN

i never said it was easy to do, especially in street trim. figure at least $8k in engine and turbo mods, $800 for kaaz diff, and about $500 for different wheels and some et streets. the guy was just asking if it could be done, and yes, it can. i'll be proving so very soon. my current setup with 336whp has gotten me to a 7.62 in the 1/8th, which would be about an 11.7-11.8. with a t78 running 500ish whp, if that can't knock another .8 off my time, then something is amiss. granted i don't have a stock port motor, but it's been proven to be done before

mazda v 02-04-04 05:11 PM

im 19,and i have 4,ooo dollars to spen on my rx7 3rd gen rebuilt motor with 13,000 on it.what to buy?with just 4 grand?

toyoter91 02-04-04 06:11 PM


Originally posted by spoolin93r1
hitting 10's on a stock ported motor is possible, but you're looking at an easy $10k in mods to be able to achieve it. there's a guy on the board that uses a stock mazda reman motor and a kkk turbo from srmotorsports that runs 10's. i think his name is erniet or sumthing along those lines. an fd is not a cheap car to upgrade over 350-380rwhp
its not even cheap to get that much power and keep it nice and reliable.. talkin still 10k+ easy

toyoter91 02-04-04 06:18 PM


Originally posted by mazda v
im 19,and i have 4,ooo dollars to spen on my rx7 3rd gen rebuilt motor with 13,000 on it.what to buy?with just 4 grand?
sell your car gather all your money and go buy a 240sx and get teh OMG OMG OMG sr20DET and go drifting yo so you fuck up a POS car instead of killing a great car. + you would even have money left over to do what you want with....

93BlackFD 02-04-04 06:20 PM

^ i agree

toyoter91 02-04-04 06:25 PM

:cool:

RotaSpinna69 02-04-04 06:42 PM

whooow there buddy...your crackin' on this guy because he wanted some advice from some of the guru's on this site to help him along his way? Maybe this IS his research pal. You dont even OWN an FD...so back off...god i hate shit talkers...no worries Mazda V

SNracing 02-04-04 07:47 PM


Originally posted by DMRH
The power figure is not quite that as there was 3 power levels to the FD production life.

92-95 = series-6 = 255hp
96-98 = series-7 = 265hp
99-02 = series-8 = 280hp

I to confirm that the best you should hope for whilst maintaining the twin turbo's is around 400hp. Not exceeding 16psi that is as they pop very quickly over that.

REgards

he originally posted a "93rx7" so im assuming he ment the series 6... hence i posted 255hp

mazda v 02-04-04 08:34 PM

i have a rx7 and i dont want a fucken 240..jackass if you dont have advice dont type.!!!

TESTCAR 02-05-04 12:04 AM

Hey, I had a 240SX, and they are a great driver's car! Don't worry about these guys, they just have sand in their...eh, you know the routine. You did come on here sounding like you just wanted us to tell you some magical formula for 10 second ets, so you're bound to get a little flak from trolls, or knowledgeable people getting tired of these newb dreams. Like any car, just start researching, quietly, read people's posts, find out what's been done in the past, and read up on new-found tips and tricks. Coming on a forum like this, and asking the "silly questions" will churn up some eThugs, but just shake it off, but keep this in mind in the future, this has been a learning experience for all of us... people on forums are not nice, so don't expect them to shower you with knowledge if you've clearly not done any research prior to starting a thread asking how to escape from your life for 10 seconds at a time. Enjoi!

P.S. The top recommendations are: NOS (as much as possible dawg); huge exhaust, the bigger the better!;the loudest BOV you can buy.
I recommend the aluminum wing(aluminum is light weight);graphics(they make you look hella fast, and intimidate the competition);neon lighting(again, intimidates people from questioning your 10 second claims)and as much LED lighting as possible, adding in subs and dubs where necessary.

mazda v 02-05-04 02:37 AM

haha very funny people also i like the trickery there "test car" i was thinking of doing that too..thanks alot,peoples

rynberg 02-05-04 02:47 AM


Originally posted by TESTCAR
P.S. The top recommendations are: NOS (as much as possible dawg); huge exhaust, the bigger the better!;the loudest BOV you can buy.
I recommend the aluminum wing(aluminum is light weight);graphics(they make you look hella fast, and intimidate the competition);neon lighting(again, intimidates people from questioning your 10 second claims)and as much LED lighting as possible, adding in subs and dubs where necessary.

I assume you are joking....if not.....:uzi:

TESTCAR 02-05-04 04:03 AM

:gayboy: No, I'm totally serious, if you need a recipe for performance, just ask, and I shall deliver.


:dunce: :beer: Of course I'm totally kidding... :p: :D ;)

cruiser 02-05-04 04:48 AM

For now just make a 12sec RELIABLE car. $2k will get you there. And have other $2k for uneventful repairs.
Then start from there. In the meantime you will spend enough time on the boards to know most of the stuff you need to ask now anyway.

10sec car is as fast as some of the fastest stock motorbikes. So you can imagine it will not be an easy task. Move in smaller steps... you know - step by step.

If you want to go all out and make a 10sec from the start, you will need more then $4k.

Supra may then be a better choice...

Oh and learn to differentiate between good and bad advice ;)

Lamanita 02-05-04 04:59 AM

No worries bro, like ^ said. You are not going to make your car into a 10 sec demon overnight. Do a lot of research before you buy anything, because you might end up in a thread titled "Mods I regret getting" .

pugg57 02-05-04 12:55 PM

cruiser... a 12sec reliable for $2k? good lord, could you please fill me in? low 12's is what i'm looking to do with my FD (12.25ish) but i don't think i'll ever really push it like that... i'm one of those love my car guys... all i want is to know that if i wanted to, i could, ya know? i pretty much never go more than 5-10mph over limit, just enjoy the look/feel of my car. anyways though, seriously, can you really build a12s reliable for $2k?

bee 02-05-04 01:50 PM

I apologize for being an ass but your post was a bit rediculous. Anyways here is what you need to do. Go look up Rob Robinette on google. When you find his rx7 site you need to read every single thing written. I about three weeks when your done you can can come back here and start posting. I think by then, you will see why you have recieved so much negative feedback.

patfat 02-05-04 02:00 PM

You are going to need a lot more than 10 grand. I'm sure the car nees some TLC. Inseatd of asking a silly question please use the search and you won't get flammed as much. We are all pretty sensitive on this fourm. We love our rotarys and we don't like to see or hear about some kids f'n them up.

Have fun w/ your new car and be safe. Please read all the 3rd gen archive files.

Mahjik 02-05-04 02:38 PM

mazda v,

Start with the basics first:

Fluidyne Radiator - 435
ASI AST - 170
Boost Gauge - 65 to 200
Water Temp Gauge - 65 to 200
Pillar Pod - 40
Miata Thermoswitch - 65
GReddy PRofec B2 Boost Controller - 315
Tokico/Koni Struts - 500
Racing Beat/Eibach/H&R Lowing springs - 230
Hawk Brake pads - 120
SS Brake Lines - 120
Intake (your choice) - 250

Other than that, check your tires to see if you need some new tread. Check your suspension for any clunking or extra play in the bushings.

cruiser 02-05-04 03:20 PM


Originally posted by pugg57
cruiser... a 12sec reliable for $2k? good lord, could you please fill me in? low 12's is what i'm looking to do with my FD (12.25ish) but i don't think i'll ever really push it like that... i'm one of those love my car guys... all i want is to know that if i wanted to, i could, ya know? i pretty much never go more than 5-10mph over limit, just enjoy the look/feel of my car. anyways though, seriously, can you really build a12s reliable for $2k?
Yes, if you shop around on the boards it shouldnt be too hard. Or $3k for that matter.
$300 koyo radiator
$100 alu AST
$700 IC & intake
$400 Aftermarket ECU
$150 DP
$200 Catback
+ some maintenanace for $200

This should get you into 12sec I think. Not low 12 though. I never claimed that. But that wasnt the point of my post anyway...

RxSeven1 02-05-04 03:21 PM

greatest thread evar!!!!!!11!!1!!

do people even have an understanding of how fast 10 seconds is? i've rode in a probally high 11 second fd and that was just scary.

btw, you owe me a 10 second car.

cruiser 02-05-04 03:21 PM

And... as in reliable I meant some realiability mods. You cant have a reliable boosted rotary. Opposite terms ;)

RotaSpinna69 02-05-04 03:27 PM


Originally posted by Mahjik
mazda v,

Start with the basics first:

Fluidyne Radiator - 435
ASI AST - 170
Boost Gauge - 65 to 200
Water Temp Gauge - 65 to 200
Pillar Pod - 40
Miata Thermoswitch - 65
GReddy PRofec B2 Boost Controller - 315
Tokico/Koni Struts - 500
Racing Beat/Eibach/H&R Lowing springs - 230
Hawk Brake pads - 120
SS Brake Lines - 120
Intake (your choice) - 250

Other than that, check your tires to see if you need some new tread. Check your suspension for any clunking or extra play in the bushings.

I've never heard about the Miata Thermoswitch...whats up with that?

Mahjik 02-05-04 03:43 PM


Originally posted by RotaSpinna69
I've never heard about the Miata Thermoswitch...whats up with that?
The Miata Thermoswitch replaces the stock thermoswitch, which is what tells the fans to come on at a specific temperature. The Miata version has a lower threshold so the fans come on earlier (around 210F instead of the stock 220F).

It's much better than the fan mod since it's automatic and doesn't require the driver/user to remember to hit a switch. However, it's harder to install than the fan mod.

Kevin T. Wyum 02-05-04 05:19 PM


Originally posted by spoolin93r1
there's plenty of people on the board that are capable of 10's, but don't go to the track. all it takes is 450+rwhp and some good driving. most anyone with a t78 could do it with turbo blue and 20-21psi. goin to the track just doesn't tickle a lot of people's fancy, plus noone wants to put cages in their car to make them legal. there's even the one guy with twins that recently went 10.99. he put down 404whp before he got a ported motor, so he's probably around 430-440whp now
It's not nearly as easy as people seem to think. I even had to use the NHRA correction for the track I was on to put me in the 10's, given it was a stock unported motor and modified stock twins 7 years ago but...a big turbo and high boost doesn't mean much if everything else isn't set up properly and a GOOD driver is at the wheel.

Capable is a nice way of saying wishful thinking. There's a very small handful of people that are capable of running 10's with a streetable 3rd gen, maybe 5. Until the car run's even a gimpy corrected 10 (like me) :D
with you at the wheel you're not capable of a 10 no matter what's written down or what the dynojet told you. Not trying to be a dink but years of street and drag racing has taught me that what someone thinks a car should do and what it really does are extemely different things and also doesn't give enough credit to the drivers that can actually do it.

Kevin T. Wyum

The people that are supposed to run 10's on paper always have a lot of something else when they finish a race, excuses.

Trexthe3rd 02-05-04 07:51 PM

Just as Kevin stated, don't ask about the car until you can come up with a time slip of 13.7 or better with a completely stock car. For that matter even with a lightly modded car. When your performance can match the car then take the machine to the next step (mid 12s, NOT 10), so on and so forth.

mazda v 02-06-04 12:54 PM

wow that miata thermo is very interesting.. thanks for all the help i think i dont have any more questions..ill let you guys know when i hit that 11 sec..for a starter...for now im going to get a turbo kit, ast, intercooler,intake,petit m2 ecu, all new vac lines... thanks for the help peoples

mazda v 02-06-04 01:00 PM

the boost that im supposed to have on my car is 10-8-10, right? just to make sure is that 1st,2nd,and third, and if its not then what do you do to make it right?

Mahjik 02-06-04 01:22 PM


Originally posted by mazda v
the boost that im supposed to have on my car is 10-8-10, right? just to make sure is that 1st,2nd,and third, and if its not then what do you do to make it right?
Yes, the stock boost pattern is 10-8-10 (and depending on the mods of the car, the boost may trail back down to 8 until redline or hold 10 PSI to redline... completely stock cars will not hold 10 PSI to redline).

If you have boost problems, here's a good troubleshooting site:

http://www.autosportracetech.com/RX-...leshooting.htm

Trexthe3rd 02-06-04 03:14 PM


Originally posted by mazda v
wow that miata thermo is very interesting.. thanks for all the help i think i dont have any more questions..ill let you guys know when i hit that 11 sec..for a starter...for now im going to get a turbo kit, ast, intercooler,intake,petit m2 ecu, all new vac lines... thanks for the help peoples
You plan to do this with 4K??
Turbo kit with just a reprogammed ecu (Pettit or M2, not Pettit M2) and no fuel upgrade?
Let's see: (let's assume you have done all the reliability mods)
Intercooler (cheap one) 800.00
Intake (cheap one) 200.00
AEM or PFC 1200.00
Turbo kit (cheap one) 2400.00
Fuel pump (cheap one) 150.00
Fuel rail with injectors 650.00
Wide band dyno tuning 200.00
Labor ????.??

Pushing your car across the finish line, PRICELESS.;)


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