A guy I used to work with worshipped this stuff

http://www.militec-1.com/

said once it heat cycled it actually strenghtened the metal and made it harder. I've never acutally used it, but based on his description, it sounded like it may possibly work well in a rotary engine.

Anybody ever heard of this stuff or used it?

 

Here's some info on this stuff..

WHAT IS MILITEC-1?
MILITEC-1 is a clear golden synthetic liquid resembling an SAE 10-weight oil. When MILITEC-1 is added to the primary lubricant of any machine, it will increase operating efficiency, extend equipment life, reduce downtime and cut unscheduled maintenance.
Even though MILITEC-1 is added to the oil, it is not an oil additive. MILITEC-1 contains no viscosity enhancers or other oil augmentation compounds. It does not modify the primary lubricant in any way.
Instead, MILITEC-1 is a metal conditioner. MILITEC-1 simply uses the circulating oil as a means to reach the critical hot spots and metallic friction surfaces within the machinery. When the oil carries MILITEC-1 to these areas, MILITEC-1 exits the oil, leaving the oil completely unaffected and unchanged.
WHERE IS MILITEC-1 USED?
MILITEC-1 can be used in all types of machinery. Typical uses include both two- and four-cycle Diesel and gasoline engines of all sizes; automotive and industrial transmissions and differentials; compressors of all types including refrigeration; assembly line speed reduction gears; electric motors; pumps; etc. It is also an excellent cutting fluid for the most difficult lathe and mill work.
From Nuclear powered subs to dental drills, rock crushers to bicycles, air conditioners to sewing machines, MILITEC-1 literally works anywhere two pieces of metal rub together.
HOW DOES MILITEC-1 WORK?
When MILITEC-1 is applied to a metal surface, it chemically reacts with, and is adsorbed by, the metal. The chemical reaction takes place at temperatures between 100°F and 150°F (38°C - 66°C) depending on friction and load conditions. The effect of the chemical reaction is a stiffening (not hardening) of the metal surface -- approximately seventeen times stiffer when the reaction is complete. The increased stiffness dramatically reduces friction and parasitic drag, just as when an underinflated tire is pumped up.
Reduced friction yields many benefits:
• Wear rates are greatly reduced. MILITEC-1 treated machines last longer.
• Lubricating oil becomes more effective and efficient. Piston rings seal better against cylinder walls for better compression and reduced tailpipe emissions. Bearings spin more freely. Gears mesh more effortlessly. MILITEC-1 treated machines run cleaner and use less energy to do the same work.
• Less heat is generated in the moving parts. MILITEC-1 treated machines run cooler.
Additionally, the bond between MILITEC-1 and metal is remarkably durable. MILITEC-1-treated machines are protected and will retain adequate lubrication for extended periods in extreme out-of-parameter temperature variations, or even if the primary lubricant is completely lost.
WHAT’S IN MILITEC-1?
MILITEC-1 is a chemically-reacted synthetic-based hydrocarbon derivative. At the start of the manufacturing process, MILITEC-1 is composed of a blend of several extreme pressure lubricants, natural anti-corrosion ingredients, extremely stable chlorate esters, anti-wear components, and anti-oxidant compounds. This blend is then introduced into a chemical reactor. When MILITEC-1 emerges from our proprietary chemical reaction process, it is no longer a blend. It has been organically bound into a unique, pure, uniform single substance. In its finished form, MILITEC-1 is completely stable, so it does not require agitation before use.
Just as important as knowing what’s in MILITEC-1 is knowing what isn’t. MILITEC-1 does not contain chlorinated paraffins, PTFE, fluorine, solvents, carrier oils, viscosity enhancers, metals, molybdenum disulfide, zinc, sulfur, graphite powders or other solids. It’s also important to realize that MILITEC-1 is non-hazardous, non-toxic, and non-combustible. It is so safe that MILITEC-1 was even approved environmentally by the U.S. Navy Medical Command for use aboard nuclear-powered submarines.
BENEFITS OF MILITEC-1
• Reduction of harmful tailpipe emissions in all gasoline, Diesel and two cycle engines
• Twenty-four hour lubrication to all metal surfaces
• Reduced operating temperatures at all metal friction points
• Increased power using the same energy
• Reduced oxidation, thermal decomposition, corrosion and wear
• Greater efficiency in electric motors, alternators and generators
• Less energy required in engine start-ups, regardless of weather conditions
• Does not adversely affect the viscosity of the primary lubricant
• Long lasting -- Remains bonded to metal surfaces even after several oil changes
• Protects for extended periods even if primary lubricant is lost, or is contaminated by fuel, anti-freeze or combustion by-products
• Reduces material build-up. Contaminants and wear metals cannot cement themselves to MILITEC-1-protected surfaces.

 

What a website? It seems like such a great product!! BUT, it seems that if things are just too good to be true. I would hope a chemical engineer, or someone with experience chime in. Does PTFE additive do all it was labeled as doing??

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That's exactly why I'm posting, this **** sounds too good to be true, so I'm very skeptical.

 

anyone?

 

Sounds like a load of BS to me. There are a couple ways to "harden" metal. Strain hardening is the easiest to do. It basically takes advantage of the stress/strain relationship of a metal. Shot peening is the best example of this. Anything thats called "case hardened" has been strain hardened. Lots of gear teeth for transmissions have this done. But this product doesn't claim to do that.

Seems like it claims to chemically harden the metal, a process I'm not familiar with. I'm not even sure how that would work. I can't think of any chemical way of getting the metal to harden.

 

Interesting. I was wondering the same thing, I always thought that metal needed heat treatment or some kind of forging to increase its stiffness or hardness.

 

Actually, heating does the exact opposite. Without getting into too much phase diagram and metalurgy discussion, heating is used to release the strain that is put on the metal through banging or shot peening.

 

I've got a bridge I can sell you cheap!

 

Ah, Ok I get it. So I'm guessing this stuff is horsewash then.

 

There are no miracle additives for engine oil.

Some bunch of people are not going to trump the oil manufacturers when it comes to oil additives. Note, if you ever find a miracle product, they never list what labs verify their claims.

 

PV, is that your car ( avatar )?


If so... niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice

 

Yeah, I would like to find out more about the claim that this product is endorsed by the U.S. Navy Medical Command for use aboard nuclear-powered submarines though.

And just another note, from what I've heard and read about this 'wonder product' it's not just an oil additive, but can be added to fuel too, or any other lubrication where metal meets metal, so tranny, diff, etc. I've got a friend on another message board that works with naval nuclear reactors, I'll ping him about this and see if he knows anything.

 

lol, For use in what on a necular sub? Last I checked, necular power didnt involve internal combustion?? Or even moving parts for that matter??

 

The uranium bundle acts as an extremely high-energy source of heat. It heats the water and turns it to steam. The steam drives a steam turbine, which spins a generator to produce power. In some reactors, the steam from the reactor goes through a secondary, intermediate heat exchanger to convert another loop of water to steam, which drives the turbine.

http://people.howstuffworks.com/nuclear-power.htm

It requires moving parts to harvest the energy but not in the initial reaction, it could be used on the turbine though


Regardless, Im going to have to go with the "this stuff just sounds to good to be true". It can be added into any source? Fuel, tranny, oil, etc? Come on how can something claim to work in all of those situations and still provide exactly the same result of hardening the metal? Is this some super liquid? Because last time I checked, changing the enviroment drastically effects chemical reactions.

 

The biggest bunch of total BS I've ever read.

There is no miracle chemical treatment that will "harden" metal. And unless it actually increased the total rigidity of the engine component, the oil film would be basically unaffected, so it would have no effect whatsoever on friction.

They claim that it is not an oil additive; yet they say in description of the product that it contains chlorate esters (which are basic form of synthetic oil). They also claim that it has "anti-wear components" and "anti-oxidant compounds"; hmm, those sound suspiciously like oil additive descriptions to me.

Good grief.

 

I was working in a metal workshop and everyone there absolutely worshipped this product.
So i started to use it on my Subaru Impreza 98. It has over 310.000 km and it runs like a clock.
I live in Iceland ( harsh environment) so this product definitely works for me at least.

 

I used it a lot in Iraq. Amazing for firearms. No idea for cars