Fuel system recommendations? stock twins
Hi,
I'm looking to increase the boost with my factory twins to 15psi on pump gas. I already have a Supra fuel pump installed and I'll be porting the wastegate of the turbos. My car is mostly a weekend car and is only driven about 200 miles a month or so. What other fuel upgrades will I need to support this amount of boost? I've been reading a lot of recommendations to NOT run bored out secondaries, so was thinking of going with the FFE step up kit+ ID injectors - would 1300cc or 2000cc be the better choice if i go this route? Or would it be best for me to upgrade both the primary and secondary rails now and run ID injectors in both of them? I eventually want to run a single, but I'm not sure how far out that will happen. |
FFE Step up kit should be more than enough (I'd choose ID2000 as price difference is tiny and extra insurance for the future). Also, while there, I'd send out the primaries for service/cleaning.
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Ditto, the FFE step up with ID2000 and stock(cleaned) 550 primaries is my twins setup.
Edit - you'll want to get the low profile banjo bolt if keeping the hard pipes for the boost control solenoids. I have the halman MBCs so those hard pipes were removed. |
Originally Posted by jsemerica
(Post 12178292)
Ditto, the FFE step up with ID2000 and stock(cleaned) 550 primaries is my twins setup.
Edit - you'll want to get the low profile banjo bolt if keeping the hard pipes for the boost control solenoids. I have the halman MBCs so those hard pipes were removed. If you keep the primary rail with your new step-up kit, you won't need the low-profile adaptor but you WILL need an alternate (relocated) method of boost control |
Not to thread jack but I was looking into the step up kit as well, can the power fc control the 2000cc secondaries fine?
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Originally Posted by KompressorLOgic
(Post 12178423)
Not to thread jack but I was looking into the step up kit as well, can the power fc control the 2000cc secondaries fine?
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Originally Posted by armans
(Post 12178286)
FFE Step up kit should be more than enough (I'd choose ID2000 as price difference is tiny and extra insurance for the future). Also, while there, I'd send out the primaries for service/cleaning.
Originally Posted by $lacker
(Post 12178407)
I just went through this
If you keep the primary rail with your new step-up kit, you won't need the low-profile adaptor but you WILL need an alternate (relocated) method of boost control |
You don't need anything. If your injectors are still flowing fine and your fuel pump is fine you don't need anything. I have run just about that amount of boost before on a stock fuel setup. Injector duty cycle is max c.90% at WOT and I was still safely a bit rich. Backed it off back to around 13-14 PSI as until very recently I was still running the stock intercooler so didn't make sense to push it so hard until I could get a Greddy SMIC.
At most hotwire the fuel pump and then tune it. The stock pump and injectors can take more than you think and 15 PSI is still within their comfortable operating range. |
I agree wiyh cib24
you dont realy need anything changed or extra whith the twins. i run my twins at 15 psi and the oem pump and injectors are up to it. the car has 330whp on a safe tune. if you want to uograde something for just peace of mind just add a big pump like a bosch 044 onky with that uograde my entire fuel map became 30% reacher . i had to lower the map (injection times) so now even on wot the injectors only go up to 77% duty |
Is that on pump gas? Our premium is only 91 octane here in CA.
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Originally Posted by nitewing117
(Post 12178538)
I'll be doing the simplified sequential mod and installing a greddy profec B. Would this work as the alternate boost control? |
Originally Posted by nitewing117
(Post 12178632)
Is that on pump gas? Our premium is only 91 octane here in CA.
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Originally Posted by $lacker
(Post 12178636)
As long as your boost control system allows you to cut away the stock hard vacuum lines that are used for the stock boost control system, you can make it fit
I still run sequential above stock boost levels around 13-14 PSI and my transition and boost control is significantly better than it was on the stock ECU, and all I have is a Power FC with a tune by my tuner. No extra boost control kit. |
Originally Posted by cib24
(Post 12178753)
Why do you even need a Greddy Profec? Just use the boost control baked into the Apexi Power FC. Works fine. Don't even need to port the wastegate or drill the pills as has been talked about on here ages ago. The PFC is sufficient with the right tuning setup and controls boost fine.
I still run sequential above stock boost levels around 13-14 PSI and my transition and boost control is significantly better than it was on the stock ECU, and all I have is a Power FC with a tune by my tuner. No extra boost control kit. |
Originally Posted by cib24
(Post 12178753)
Why do you even need a Greddy Profec? Just use the boost control baked into the Apexi Power FC. Works fine. Don't even need to port the wastegate or drill the pills as has been talked about on here ages ago. The PFC is sufficient with the right tuning setup and controls boost fine.
I still run sequential above stock boost levels around 13-14 PSI and my transition and boost control is significantly better than it was on the stock ECU, and all I have is a Power FC with a tune by my tuner. No extra boost control kit. https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...ation-1113015/ |
This is like watching the deaf try to lead the blind... :lol:
If you're going to make the effort to up the boost on your stock twins, why not just do it right instead of cheaping out and trying to push 20 year old injectors that are based on even older technology :lol: |
Originally Posted by cib24
(Post 12178753)
Why do you even need a Greddy Profec? Just use the boost control baked into the Apexi Power FC. Works fine. Don't even need to port the wastegate or drill the pills as has been talked about on here ages ago. The PFC is sufficient with the right tuning setup and controls boost fine.
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