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dubulup 08-10-04 11:17 AM

Electron Manipulation
 
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In the beginning...

dubulup 08-10-04 11:20 AM

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dubulup 08-10-04 11:26 AM

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The End.

Herblenny 08-10-04 11:50 AM

Very NICE!!! man, you are the man when it comes to electrical stuff.. I remember you with that switch you put in.. So, when do you expect all to be done?? Looks good so far!!

Fatman0203 08-10-04 12:55 PM

I guess thats the new wireharness you made?

dubulup 08-10-04 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by herblenny
Very NICE!!! man, you are the man when it comes to electrical stuff..


Thanks PHIL! I guess it's an occupational hazard



So, when do you expect all to be done?? Looks good so far!!
hopefully end of this month.

dubulup 08-10-04 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by Fatman0203
I guess thats the new wireharness you made?

Yes, with the Haltech kit, you get a flying lead harness to play with.

dubulup 08-10-04 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by herblenny
I remember you with that switch you put in

PHIL is talking about converting the blank console switch to a momentary toggle [IC sprayer]...very clean and 007ish.

KaiFD3S 08-10-04 03:08 PM

Daym, I could never do that, that looks so confusing....


great job...

dubulup 08-10-04 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by KaiFD3S
Daym, I could never do that, that looks so confusing....


great job...

you can do anything if you put your mind to it...that's what Doctor Emit Brown use to tell me.

KaiFD3S 08-10-04 03:13 PM

That is true, maybe if a time came that I had to do it myself, I would be able to do it...

dubulup 08-10-04 03:34 PM

Time is a must...I'm no genius (<---if that is even spelled right, haha)

Herblenny 08-10-04 03:51 PM

https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...chmentid=69171

What is this?? Your new engines??

dubulup 08-10-04 04:02 PM

just seeing who is sleeping in class ;)

Fatman0203 08-10-04 04:06 PM

Have you tested the harness? It would suck if you put it all back together and you made a mistake somewhere.

dubulup 08-10-04 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fatman0203
Have you tested the harness? It would suck if you put it all back together and you made a mistake somewhere.

yes, I did a continuity check before final wrap. I made diagrams with reference designater #'s from ECU pin # -> Receptacle socket #...Plug pin #'s to senors. It was definitely not something thrown together in hopes that it would work. Here is a pic of my "tool/supply/diagram" box for the project.

Layer 1 ---------------Layer 2 ------------------Layer3

XSTransAm 08-10-04 04:30 PM

nice job, have you played with the e6x much?

dubulup 08-10-04 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by XSTransAm
nice job, have you played with the e6x much?

THANKS!
Not yet, but I plan to tomorrow. I've read thru the manual many many times in it's entirety. I'm excited about what it's capable of!

spurvo 08-10-04 06:49 PM

I officially bow to you Dubs! Absolutely SUPER job on the harness. You actualized what I'd been swishing around in this ugly thing I call a brain.

Aren't all those pins fun?

Ho hum, 4 rotor FD <yawn>... Don't you know the 3 rotor cosmo is the shiznit? I'm gonna put THREE of them in MY FD (when I.. ummm.. get out of high school and stuff...)

Donning flamesuit over here!

Again, really nice job, and then some!!

MrRx 08-11-04 01:12 AM

So you have 3 26b motor sitting there, how much did it cost you to build those?

And jesus thats gonna be sweet when you get it all done

ejmack1 08-11-04 01:41 AM

question:

Could that wiring harness be manipulated to be used with the PFC?
Is that the wiring harness that comes with the Haltech?
Part numbers on the connector from the engine side of the harness to the ECU side?

dubulup 08-11-04 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by spurvo
I officially bow to you Dubs! Absolutely SUPER job on the harness. You actualized what I'd been swishing around in this ugly thing I call a brain.

Aren't all those pins fun?

Ho hum, 4 rotor FD <yawn>... Don't you know the 3 rotor cosmo is the shiznit? I'm gonna put THREE of them in MY FD (when I.. ummm.. get out of high school and stuff...)

Donning flamesuit over here!

Again, really nice job, and then some!!

Thanks buddy! The pins weren't all that bad, I had a really neat crimp tool to use.


Originally Posted by MrRx
So you have 3 26b motor sitting there, how much did it cost you to build those?

And jesus thats gonna be sweet when you get it all done

They are not mine, BTW. Just thought I'd throw in some eyecandy.


Originally Posted by ejmack1
question:

(1) Could that wiring harness be manipulated to be used with the PFC?
(2) Is that the wiring harness that comes with the Haltech?
(3) Part numbers on the connector from the engine side of the harness to the ECU side?

(1) Yes, you'd have to cut all the wires and make the connector
(2) I wouldn't say a "harness" comes with the Haltech, it's a bunch of wires connected to the ECU plug. I turned the wires into that harness.
(3) see attach.

ejmack1 08-11-04 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by dubulup
Thanks buddy! The pins weren't all that bad, I had a really neat crimp tool to use.



They are not mine, BTW. Just thought I'd throw in some eyecandy.



(1) Yes, you'd have to cut all the wires and make the connector
(2) I wouldn't say a "harness" comes with the Haltech, it's a bunch of wires connected to the ECU plug. I turned the wires into that harness.
(3) see attach.

I have already butchered my harness to only contain the "needed" wires for my setup... I ran all new wiring, and used existing 10 yr old connectors... im looking to add a quick disconnect, and put some new wiring meant for engine use....

dubulup 08-11-04 04:15 PM

^ cool, I remember reading your thread.

I used the 37 pin connector, strictly for "room to grow".

I simplified the harness as much as possible running it thru the connector...I'll go from memory

1 - 12V source
1 - GND
1 - 5V source
1 - AIT
1 - Coolant
4 - Injectors
4 - CAS
1 - O2
1 - sheild termination (for CAS & O2)
1 - ISC

so, it's really not that many wires that "need" to pass thru. (probably missing one or two?!?!)

I didn't pass any of the tranny or ignition thru...they stay in the car when engine is removed. I didn't pass any ECU or Fuel Pump PWR wires thru...all that is in the cabin.

ejmack1 08-11-04 06:21 PM

awesome man, care to share any of your diagrams? especially when wiring in the dash gauges and stuff?

dazman69 08-11-04 07:59 PM

are those aircraft grade plugs i see?

scotty305 08-11-04 08:09 PM

are those aircraft grade plugs i see?
Yes, please tell, where'd you get the quick-disconnects?

The E6X doesn't control the OMP, correct? What are you doing to get around that, premix? I remember a thread a while back about trying to reverse-engineer the oil injecting system, was that you also?

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dubulup 08-12-04 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by ejmack1
awesome man, care to share any of your diagrams? especially when wiring in the dash gauges and stuff?

Thanks! All my Diagrams are hand drawn...maybe when I'm finished I'll release them ;)

which gauges are you talking about...the only one I forgot about was the coolant temp sender, which I believe is on the X-14 connector (Y/W???) I assumed it was on the starter harness...wrong <--last time I assume


Originally Posted by scotty305
Yes, please tell, where'd you get the quick-disconnects?

The E6X doesn't control the OMP, correct? What are you doing to get around that, premix? I remember a thread a while back about trying to reverse-engineer the oil injecting system, was that you also?

www.digikey.com will sell these parts. E6X doesn't control OMP, I'll be premixing. No, that wasn't me reverse engineering the OMP.


Originally Posted by dazman69
are those aircraft grade plugs i see?

I wouldn't put these on an aircraft :D

But yes, the design is from the aerospace industry.

ejmack1 08-12-04 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by dubulup
Thanks! All my Diagrams are hand drawn...maybe when I'm finished I'll release them ;)

which gauges are you talking about...the only one I forgot about was the coolant temp sender, which I believe is on the X-14 connector (Y/W???) I assumed it was on the starter harness...wrong <--last time I assume



www.digikey.com will sell these parts. E6X doesn't control OMP, I'll be premixing. No, that wasn't me reverse engineering the OMP.



I wouldn't put these on an aircraft :D

But yes, the design is from the aerospace industry.

well you have the Speedo sensor wire, the tach wire, the water temp sensor wire, the oil pressure wire....

dubulup 08-12-04 01:32 PM

speedo wire, tranny harness...separate
tach wire...I believe it's pulled from the ign, eh? starter harness also...
water temp...already mentioned
oil pressure wire, starter harness...separate

the connector I made was for engine sensors to the ECU only. So I can pull the engine and not have to pull apart the interior and feed the harness thru the firewall <--not that, that was hard. I need a better hobby.

On a side note, I was working with my fuel system the other day...and to have full run at it, I disconnected the plug and sensors and removed the electrical system off the block, voila.

On a side note from the side note...I like the 'similar threads' this thread pulls, Time Travel! :cool: funny, I referenced Doctor Emit Brown earlier...I'm an idiot.

suganuma 08-12-04 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by dubulup
speedo wire, tranny harness...separate
tach wire...I believe it's pulled from the ign, eh? starter harness also...
water temp...already mentioned
oil pressure wire, starter harness...separate

the connector I made was for engine sensors to the ECU only. So I can pull the engine and not have to pull apart the interior and feed the harness thru the firewall <--not that, that was hard. I need a better hobby.

Is there a reason why you didn't just run the tranny harness along side the engine harness and through your quick-disconnect? It's only a few wires...

I have a simplified haltech harness as well, but have my tranny connects wrapped up with it all. I want to re-wrap it all soon - that's why I ask.

dubulup 08-12-04 03:15 PM

I guess the answer is...if the tranny harness went throught the QD...I'd have to unplug the (4) sensors on the tranny to demate.

I'll take a pic of the harness routes. The tranny and ignition harnesses say in the car when the engine comes out, like the starter harness.

suganuma 08-12-04 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by dubulup
I guess the answer is...if the tranny harness went throught the QD...I'd have to unplug the (4) sensors on the tranny to demate.

I'll take a pic of the harness routes. The tranny and ignition harnesses say in the car when the engine comes out, like the starter harness.

True, didn't consider that.

So you have your tranny wiring routed along the firewall then? I used to always pull my tranny when I pulled my engine; I guess that's why it worked conveniently for me. I pull my engine sererately now, so it's just 4 more things to unplug.

Question answered, thanks.

dazman69 08-13-04 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by dubulup
Thanks! All my Diagrams are hand drawn...maybe when I'm finished I'll release them ;)

which gauges are you talking about...the only one I forgot about was the coolant temp sender, which I believe is on the X-14 connector (Y/W???) I assumed it was on the starter harness...wrong <--last time I assume



www.digikey.com will sell these parts. E6X doesn't control OMP, I'll be premixing. No, that wasn't me reverse engineering the OMP.



I wouldn't put these on an aircraft :D

But yes, the design is from the aerospace industry.

I'm an aircraft mechanic, those plugs are on every plane in the air force

dubulup 08-13-04 05:28 PM

not the one I work on. :cool:

dubulup 08-30-04 08:39 AM

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been a while but figured I'd post, the harness routes...the harnesses in the yellow p-clamp are the tranny (X-14 and X-05), and ignition harnesses.

jacobcartmill 09-22-04 02:02 AM

what is this thing?
https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...chmentid=69148

ejmack1 09-22-04 02:24 AM

quick disconnect

dubulup 09-23-04 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by jacobcartmill


WTF? Did you read any of the thread? It's an engine harness.

Herblenny 10-20-04 12:32 PM

Dubulup,

Looks good!!

dubulup 10-20-04 01:11 PM

Still Not Totally Finished
 
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Thanks PHIL! Here a more recent photo with my "dropped too many times" camera

Work in progress...does anyone own an FD they consider finished???

(downpipe is getting ceramic coated satin black as you read!)

shawnk 10-20-04 02:06 PM

I was thinking about going black on the engine also. I think yours is the first I have seen like that. I am still on the fence - you like it? Seems like it would be very easy to keep clean (looking anyway).

Oh and nice job on the harness.

dubulup 10-20-04 02:21 PM

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I'm lovin' the black! Has a very nice contrast to my SSM FD and extremely unique! People definitely don't expect it when I pop the hood. Powdercoated parts are extremely easy to wipe clean. IMO, black looks way better than dirty corroded bare aluminum. Also, if I had polished parts, I'd really be anal about pulling my car apart or people putting their shit-sticks in my engine bay, "what's that". If something got scratched, I'm anal enough to pull it and re-polish it. <---too much work.

Thanks for the props on the harness.

OneRotor 10-20-04 02:23 PM

finally, someone decides to do something other than polished engine parts, keep everything dark, flying under the radar, looking stock. If someone who knows nothing about RX-7's looks under your hood, it'll look stock to them, rather than all shiney and aftermarket. congrats on a kick ass lookin setup, on the clean engine harness, and being different

ejmack1 10-20-04 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by whitey85mtu
finally, someone decides to do something other than polished engine parts, keep everything dark, flying under the radar, looking stock. If someone who knows nothing about RX-7's looks under your hood, it'll look stock to them, rather than all shiney and aftermarket. congrats on a kick ass lookin setup, on the clean engine harness, and being different

looking stock :rolleyes:

it does look goog, but definately not stock....

dubulup 10-20-04 02:27 PM

All Stock
 
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Originally Posted by whitey85mtu
If someone who knows nothing about RX-7's looks under your hood, it'll look stock to them, rather than all shiney and aftermarket.


Thanks bro!

I appreciate that! It's funny you say that (above), because when I was building her, the goal was make it look like it belongs there!

*I posted these on another forum, but I'll post again...

dubulup 10-20-04 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by ejmack1
looking stock :rolleyes:

it does look goog, but definately not stock....


you're right...but it's fun to say...ALL STOCK! try it ;)

at least I can say it's a sleeper...everything under the hood.

bigmack000 10-20-04 03:04 PM

https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...chmentid=78299 whos car in the background.

lol so dubulup what you do for a living :P? i bet i can guess lol
joel

dubulup 10-20-04 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by bigmack000
whos car in the background.

lol so dubulup what you do for a living :P? i bet i can guess lol
joel

Not my car...you can still guess if you like ;)

Snook 10-20-04 03:24 PM

coming from someone that has a thousand hours of labor into their car I'll say that I'm very impressed.

not sure that makes sense to anyone else

I'd also remove the 2 brackets for pulling the engine once you get it in there


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