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YellowDragon 06-29-04 10:45 AM

So your saying that nothing but a good coil-over setup is req to run this wide of a wheel? Thats sounds almost to good to be true. I would think that you'd getsome rubbing and not just at full lock.
Please school me on this...

Klar 06-29-04 10:46 AM

^^^^ARRHH!!! Stupid server logged me n as some one else again!!!

diablone 06-29-04 10:48 AM

You're a buying machine! :D I'm interested to see your comparison to the Kinesis wheels when you get a chance.

damian 06-29-04 10:57 AM

hahah..yeah i kinda splurged, i need to calm down so i have money for runnign events for the rest of the season,

remydrm 06-29-04 11:32 AM


Originally posted by ArcWelder
Right, I have the CCW's in 18X10 running 285/30/18's and they fit fine. No modifications necessary. The only place I had any potential rubbing was in the front fender liner at full lock. Not a problem on the track. The 17X10 fitment does have the potential to rub at the top of the fender liner and possibly the fender lip if you run your ride height too low. This is due to the larger diameter of the tire over the stock setup.

Mark


:confused:

See this is where i get confused...... Why would a 17x10 inch wheel rub more than a 18x10 incher as stated in the above quote? I am looking to buy a set of the same wheels and currently run 17x9.5 Forgelines with no issues. Your comments are appreciated.

massi

rynberg 06-29-04 11:39 AM


Originally posted by remydrm
:confused:

See this is where i get confused...... Why would a 17x10 inch wheel rub more than a 18x10 incher as stated in the above quote? I am looking to buy a set of the same wheels and currently run 17x9.5 Forgelines with no issues. Your comments are appreciated.

massi

Because you would run a 275/40 17 tires with a 17x10 wheel, which is considerably taller than a 285/30 18. If they made a 275/35 17 tire, we would be all set.

remydrm 06-29-04 11:42 AM

:doh: ohhhhhhhh

thnx

Zero R 06-29-04 11:55 AM

The CCW's are lighter than the kenisis I have both sets here and prefer John's wheels, not to mention kenisis was awful at customer support and delivery, 18x10 fit fine all the way around, the tire sizes that work well are 265/35 285/30 and you can fit a 295/35 in the rear if you choose as well. All BFG KD's sizes absolutly great tire for the street.

-Sean

Kevin T. Wyum 06-29-04 01:17 PM

I assume I have the track wheels. I bought them very early on when John had really just got rolling on making them. They look like Damians but the inner web is polished instead of the black. At the time he was still in the process of having his first set of center caps made for the wheels so I knew there would be a delay. It got drawn out for a year or so which wasn't a big deal. I eventually just forgot about them. I replied once a year or so when I thought of it using John's old emails from years ago, john@ccwwheels.com or something like that. The only reason I want the center caps is because without them the hubs are a little unsightly with a big nut on one and a dented tin cover on the other.

As for sizing I believe I have 17x10 in the fronts and 17x 12 in the back. For the 315/40/17's in back I did have to do a little pounding with a BFH, cut out the fender lips, actually I'll need to have a flare made to keep rocks from chewing up the paint. It also needed thin trailing arm.

The wheels are very decent quality, light (the important part), and look pretty good in my opinion. The price was good as well, I don't know what it was anymore but I remember it was pretty good.:)

If you have some center caps for me please send me an email at KTWyum@ASPScreening.com. Otherwise I'll try to remember to call during the day.

Kevin T. Wyum

SomeGuy_sg 06-29-04 02:12 PM

Great looking set of wheels , damian. i was wonder why put 10" all around . 18x8" and 18x10" would be a better trade off seeing that it would save you some weight in the front while still having almost equal grip?

damian 06-29-04 02:24 PM


Originally posted by SomeGuy_sg
Great looking set of wheels , damian. i was wonder why put 10" all around . 18x8" and 18x10" would be a better trade off seeing that it would save you some weight in the front while still having almost equal grip?
it has to do with cost, if the same tire is on all 4 sides you can rotate front to back and make tires last longer, thus saving $$ on tire cost

rceron 06-29-04 02:27 PM


i was wonder why put 10" all around
Plus, you want to keep the neutral handling of the car--similar to stock setup. Why introduce understeer when you don't have to...

R

damian 06-29-04 02:29 PM


Originally posted by rceron
Plus, you want to keep the neutral handling of the car--similar to stock setup. Why introduce understeer when you don't have to...

R

yes, thast true also, however the car does tend to oversteet with this much rubber in front, but you balance that with suspention tweaks and driving style :-)

hey rceron, ill email you about your hitch again in a sec :-)

maxcooper 06-29-04 03:59 PM


Originally posted by ArcWelder
My understanding is that the track wheels are hubcentric and don't require the center caps. The street wheels are aligned to the hub by the center cap. I'm not sure whether the center caps actually fit on a track specific wheel.

Mark

Mark is right.

I own a set of track CCWs and I know how the street wheels are built, too (race buddy had a set). The track wheels cannot be used with the center cap. On the street wheels, the bore of the wheel is bigger than the hub center. The cap goes in from the back of the wheel and is captive -- it can't come off with the wheel installed. The cap provicdes the hubcentricity. The caps are hunks of aluminum just like the rest of the wheel. They aren't little tin or plastic caps.

-Max

Kevin T. Wyum 06-29-04 05:19 PM

Sounds like I'm SOL. I guess that explains why I never saw them : ).

Kevin T. Wyum

yzf-r1 06-29-04 06:54 PM

how does the weight compare to stock? just curious

these things are sweet and I need to upgrade my stock "miata" wheels that make the car look "cute" :p:

Romancer 06-29-04 07:02 PM

beautiful wheels and yes they do compliment your hood. :)

7racer 06-29-04 07:03 PM


Originally posted by ccsteve
for our specific setup we haven't required any additional modifications to fit. no rolling of the fenders either to my knowledge or johns.
I love those wheels....but could you put the bug in John's ear to make his new street wheels in 18" so they can fit our cars?!?!? :D

SP16A or SP20A plz!!!!

http://www.ccwheel.com/street/files/wheels/main.htm

infinitebass 06-29-04 11:36 PM

I have the 17x10's all around, with 255's up front and 285's in the back. I don't know how you could go larger up front, I already get a decent amount of oversteer. They rub badly since the car is really low, and I haven't gotten around to fixing it.

That being said, props need to be given again, because I hit a driveway at an angle, I guess going too fast for the race wheels, and cracked the barrel of the wheel. John sent me a new one, free of charge, as long as I sent the old one back. Included a return shipping label as well. GREAT customer service. They're my poor man's HRE's. :D

Blake

gnx7 06-30-04 02:44 AM

I love those black anodized centers as well and the CCW looks have grown on me. Great wheel for good price.

How much heavier is the 18" rim vs. 17" in 10" wide size?

What is the reasoning for going with a 17" rim if you can get a shorter tire in the 18" size and put the car closer to the track for better aero and center of gravity?

-Mark

infinitebass 06-30-04 03:10 AM

Its what the guy before me had...:D

Blake

rceron 06-30-04 08:07 AM


What is the reasoning for going with a 17" rim if you can get a shorter tire in the 18" size
Using 18" rims require a much lower profile tire than the 17s. The 17s (at 275x40x10) are much taller than stock but they provide for a much more forgiving breakaway characteristic at the track. When the 18-285x35 start sliding on you it will take MUCHO talent to bring them back on track.

However, I believe most people make the decision based on what tire the want to run (very sticky & expensive Dunlop slicks, Hoosiers vs. basic track tires like Kuhmo and Toyo).

R

Zero R 06-30-04 10:10 AM

My 18x10's were under 17.9 lbs, I only have the back side lightened and I didn't get the ti fasteners(weren'tavailable) which would shave another pound off so they are plenty light for there size and price.


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