BNR Stage 3 Updates from BNR
 

Hey Everyone. Long time no see! I wanted to inform everyone that I have seemed to find the problem with the smoking on the stage 3's! I have tried some new oil supply pills that I have had in the car for about 3 weeks now. I have been beating on the turbos, running about 17 psi on them everyday since installing them. I am doing some testing on my own car to pin point the problem, and luckily I have stopped about 90% of the smoking. I might be able to stop all of it here in the next several weeks. It would be a great thing to solve this lingering problem. After about another 2 or 3 weeks, I will rip the turbos off the car, take em apart and inspect the shafts/bearings for oil starvation. If all checks out well, we are home free! Hope everyone is satisfied with their turbos!

Bryan
www.bnrsupercars.com
205 663 4797

That's great news, Bryan :).

I'm happy with mine.....the smoking has been very minimal since I installed the "modded" oil feed banjo bolts.

Keep us updated, man.

Mine are working great except for some coolant leak I gotta find. That should be addressed today or tomorrow if I have the time. Mine is still smoking, haven't installed a catch tank yet. But im not sure if that will take care of the problem.

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I thought the oil pill lines were long gone solved?

It pretty much was, after changing the pills a long time ago I rarely ever get any smoke and whenever I do its barely noticable. I always kinda figured it was cause I was premixing real heavy though.....and it might be, I dont really know.

BTW - As usuall they are running awsome hehe

STEPHEN

Nice, always good to hear when a company is doing research and developement, even on their products that are already released. I think I'll wait a bit and see if all the kinks get worked out before I order mine :)

Keep us posted.

It's not while boosting though, that's just fine.

They just go "Spy Hunter" style at idle. Sometimes and sometimes not..

"spy hunter" bwahaha

Kinda weird, Cavelli. Just spoke with my father and he told me the smoke is very, very minimal. Not only that, but he thinks it's actually fuel (not oil) at idle. Nothing like what it was before the modded oil feed banjo bolts. I can remember Steve's entire cul-de-sac being obscured :D.

I'm sure we'll get it fixed--an oil catch tank might help as well.

Rich

This makes me wish I sprung for the Stage 2's...:(

I'm confused--do you have a set of stage 3s in the mail? Personally, my R1 barely smokes at all anymore (I'm the only one that notices it) and the quicker spoolup makes the 3s much more attractive to me over the 2s......

No, it's more than minimal. And I'm having to add a quart of oil every 300-400 miles or so it's burning so much.

GoodfellaFD3S and Spurvo are the only two I've seen with the Stage 3's and no problems.

I'm sure BNR will get the bugs worked out. Just be patient.

A local guy has the Stage 3s. They are smoking "spy hunter" style even WITH the new banjo bolts. He is also going through a similar oiling rate as Cavellm.

I hope Bryan gets these bugs worked out. Pioneering products is always difficult.

My good friend out in NJ, Nick Haralam, and a customer in Abilene TX, Eddie (drifter93 here) both have the Stage 3s with no oil smoke problem. I had a bad case of it before installing the modded oil feed banjo bolts. Are all of those having problems running these little suckers?

Rich

Same here as Rynberg. Local friend was smuggling army platoons around the streets using the Stage 3's even with the updated banjo bolts. There are other problems going on but I'm not going to comment on those until I see what happens over the next week or so.

This makes me second guess the Stage 3s :(

Actually, Eddie (drifter93) was down in good ol' Del Rio a couple weeks ago and after I stopped and talked to him, I followed him out of the gas station and noticed that after he got into a little boost and then stopped at the light there was a bit of white-ish smoke. It didn't look like anything bad, but it is there...

is it the improper amount of oil that is causing the smoking probs or is it the seals themselves?

i had a similar problem when i first got my m2 twins...i ran them without the restrictor pills and got some smoke...with the restrictors in I have no more problems at all...no leaks...no oil in the IC...nuthin...they are cherry.

if its not a prob with the seals then it should be just a matter of getting the right size restrictor pills in there.

a catch can would take care of the problem as well I would think.


j

Well, oil smoke is blue, darker. Fuel smoke would be a lighter gray. He may just be running rich and/or with fouled plugs.

Guys, don't blow this out of proportion. Bryan obviously stands behind his work, and whatever problem there is with some of the Stage 3s will be fixed soon. Kyle, whatever you decide to do with your rex, it won't leave Gotham until you're 100% satisfied :).

Wrong, I am....His car was bad none the less..:bigthumb:

Oh, don't get me wrong--it may very well be oil smoke. Hopefully this can all get sorted out, b/c the Stage 3s are badass turbos :).

These turbos will be my first purchase when I get my next FD. The one that I'm looking at has everything else already done plus some. Those will make a great addition to my upcoming FD project. Can't wait to get back stateside.

Zach

Mine are REALLY bad. Just got the Stage 3's which I waited 2 weeks for. My mechanic installed them and I'm smoking bad. Just got the new bolts and 2 more days in the shop, STILL smoking bad. Every time I lift up on the gas I blacken the car behind me. When I accelerate I also leave a huge cloud of thick smoke.

I'm now doing something that I did not want... attracting every cop in my town.

I might have a bigger problem because I’m only getting 9psi of boost where I usually have 13psi. I think there is something wrong with the 2nd turbo, that seems where most of my oil is coming from. My mechanic told me he got an oil bath from the second turbo when he installed the new bolts.

Like Cavellm I’m burning a quart of oil every 300-400 miles.
I’m with kyle@insight I would wait until the kinks are worked out… wish I would have.

I did not pay $2400 to beta test BNR’s stage 3’s. Now I’m looking at taking the turbos out again ($600 of labor from my mechanic) and getting them fixed. For the price of beta testing the stage 3’s I could have got the new turbos from Masda and that’s if BNR can fix the problem the first time.

For what it’s worth the concept sounded great and if Brian can get the kinks out I’m sure the turbos will rock. The stage 2’s are awesome and I have faith that BNR will overcome the problem, hopefully not at the cost of their customers.

Anyone know how to get a hold of Brian. The website is down and I have called the number several times but it just rings and rings. HELP.

I need to say something regarding these turbos. Please do not purchase them until the oil issues are resolved. I have sold a bunch of them and all of them have had oil problems. This has led to the customer having to pay twice in labor to swap them. Brian is a great guy and stands behind his work, but this is a very serious issue that needs to be resolved. This is mainly on the stage 3 turbos. I have had no problems with his Stage 1 or stock rebuilds. Only one problem with the Stage 2.
I want to emphasize this is not a knock on Brian. Just a little more R&D and the problems should be solved.

Jason

Garfinkles stage 3 set smoked so bad the car was not drivable, even with smaller holes in the banjo bolts . Brian has explained two other fixes to Gar that sound good .The two fixes or modifications together should work and all will be right with the world . I for one am ready to ride in Gars car . If it is faster than before then sit down and hold on . It may need two torque braces .

So you are going to choke off the oil supply?
I ordered a set of their turbos, sent them back.
They were not even worth installing. Get real lets cut the coolant as well.
Try Bi State in Belleville IL. The B+R bunch only knows how to paint junk and send it down the road.

More positive feedback about Bi-State.....makes me want to spend my money there :rolleyes:
Between you and Resource, you guys are going to drive off any prospective business from this forum with your immature comments.

Actually I find it interesting that Jason chimed in. He made me pay the shipping to send the P.O.S. that Bullshit and Robbers sent Me!

Immature? Dude Im 47 and know a thing or 2. Care to take me on in a shifter kart?
I was totally ripped on a set of BS+R turbos. They were cracked so bad that if they were dropped they would have broken in half. The paint job was great , actually there was enough paint to start a small fire.
I actually had to charge the vendor back and pay for shipping to return the POS.
Ron and Eric at BI-State are real people that care.

What are you talking about? Whats your name? I have refunded anyone that had purchased them that sent them back to me. Please dont tell me you put a chargeback thru.

Jason

I think everyone has miss'd the reason/point for this thread. I talk'd to Bryan yesterday and he is certain that he has figure'd out the problem with the stage 3's, we all know that Bryan stands behind his work, so why is everyone acting like he has left them high and dry, HE START'D THIS TREAD TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HE HAS ADDRESS'D THE PROBLEM! Bryan is trying to do something that not many other turbo companies are doing, make the most HP @ a affordable price. So give him time. I would reply to some of the negative comments that some have post'd but I will let the Stage 3's speak on that.

bistate gets their complaints as well...hell the first set the sold were cracked and leaked. so how you like them apples?

i must say that resource must be squirming with glee. til his turbos are PROVEN i would NOT buy them either.
capt bill and I were the guinie pigs on the m2 sets..it was a pain in the ass until they worked out their oil flow issues.


we both had oil issues because the upgrades in bearings needed less oil. is this the case with the bnrs? all my issues were solved with the restrictor pills...ball bearing turbos require less oil...do the bnr bearing/seal upgrades require less? Im just wondering what the actual issue is...like i said...after a lot of hard miles...my set is still cherry.


j

Jason this was over a year ago and at that time I was treated like S***.my name is Ned Schifferdecker if you would care to contact me please do so at satman@norcom2000.com

Was this over a set of BNR turbos? Sorry I dont remember. I will send you an email to get more info.

Jason

too many haters in the forum, give the man a chance to figure out the problem. I know as soon as they get all the kinks out, i will be highly considering them! Unless i come into enough money for a nice single. Ive heard a lot of good things about performance with the BNRs, its top notch. Like with all things that perform well, there are always some problems. keep the work up with the problem fix!!!

Thanks for the heads-up everyone. I personally don't know Brian, but I'm sure he doesn't get all these kind words for shitty service. If I'm not mistaken, the BNR 3s haven't been around all that long. With a new product, you're going to run into a few unforeseen problems. Give it time, I'm sure the issues will be corrected.

From what Brian told Garfinkle he has things well in control and is testing two ways to fix the smoking . Both ways may be used in the units, so double good .The BNR turbos will spin by hand and coast to a stop after several turns . The set Gar took out of his car from another turbo company will not coast down when they spin by hand . The intake wheels are about the same size , The car was very fast with the other turbos . The BNR set should spool up faster because there is less drag . It took more than one day for Gar to design the torque brace he sells it , will take Brian some time to test and prove his changes . At least he is working on it for his customers . If every one is smart enought to design fool proof things you all would not be working on these cars , we all would all be riding tonight .

No one is knocking on Brian. OK I can at least speak for myself and say I'm not.

I believe that Brian stands behind his work, I believe that he will fix the problem.

But here is my problem;
MY CAR IS DOWN AND I NEED HELP...... NOW!!!
I don't have 2-4 weeks for more testing. I'll take stable and ready now!

Like I said I know Brian will get them going and I have no doubt in that, but that is not my issue. You boys who own mechanic shops can argue on how good or not good these turbos are, but when I the consumer buy a set of turbos that are $1000 over the price of the stock turbos the last thing I want to hear is that “we know what the problem is and we can fix it”.

Here is what I want to know.
1. When are the Stage 3 turbos going be ready.
2. Will BNR warranty my turbo’s and fix them right
3. Will Brian send a good set of turbos now while we send the other ones back to cut down on my down time
4. Who is paying for my mechanic to take them out and install them….. again
5. How long will all this take to do.

What I could use is some help… not more flamewars.

I do not believe that BNR has been sold that long, but only a few months. So I do not know what B+R your talking about. Anyway I think this is a money making scheme or tactic by trying to direct people to go to Bi-state. Yeah your 40+, he said immature, I seen many immature perverted guys at 40+.

By the way your acting, downing on other people's business, I know I would never go to Bi-State, since you already build them a bad rep.

Anyway BNR does have a year warranty and I know he is going to get this situated. Every new design will always have it's flaws, it is the people that try to solve those problems that build my trust.

really informative thread despite the bickering.

I am going to hold of until i see some PERFECT turbos coming from BNR. I am in no rush to upgrade.

First set we sold? Please do a little more research before posting such claims? We've been building turbos for years before that one and only complaint. If his turbos were so bad why hasn't the customer sent them back to us (Bi-State)?We even offered to send him a new set without sending his in. Possibly customer error? Who knows.

What I do know is that you've made post after post trying to down our work without ever dealing with us. If you have such a problem then please call us or make the trip and stop by.

We're not squirming with glee about anything. Maybe that's how you do business but not us. There's enough business out there for everyone. We also deal in Ferrari, Lamborghini, Rolls Royce etc etc so turbo'ing RX7's aren't the only cars we do.

Bi-State Customs
4501 North Belt West
Belleville Illinois, 62226

Ned has bought turbos from BNR so he has right to express his experience. What hard facts do you have against us to make such claims? "Money making scheme"?

This is what's bad about business on the internet. Nobody thinks about what they say before spouting off all these rumors and hear say.

resource you are worse than Dont Be A Rikki and his pfs propaganda machine.

I dont think Rikki ever ripped off any of the forum members did he?


j

No, actually that is what is right about the internet, everyone can voice their opinions and ideas as they see fit. It is the person, themselves that decides which businesses they want to deal with. I do not let people's voice swerve my judgement. However, it is good to hear their opinions.

Ned is blaming BNR, which is his opinion, but he is not even giving them a chance, even though they have a year warranty. I could see that the turbos have problems with it smoking, but he is criticizing them for just painting them and nothing else. Now when someone is bad mouthing and on the other hand praising another company (in the same area IL), then I do suspect something. I mean that is how businesses is, maybe Iam wrong and it was a coincidence. But there is no need to bad mouth people or business.

I also remember seeing a post that someone bought a rebuilt turbo from Bi-State. That it was leaking oil and so forth, but I did not let me think of Bi-State as being a bad place to buy turbos. Since like you and BNR are all starting out businesses. I basically give everyone a fair chance in a start up business. A start up business will always run into problems, but it is the ones that make it right that survive in the business world today.

Aren't you and BNR in the same city ? :)

You could say that. :D

I have seen Bryan's work and it is definitely not just painting, like Satman said. He spent a lot of time to perfect the BNR twins and like any new design, it is going to have it's problem, nothing is perfect.

Iam not here to like advertise and said BNR is the bomb and not here to say Bi-State is the bomb. Iam just here to say no need to have a person to flame on other people's business. I mean everyone deserves a chance and most of all. I think people who are trying to fix a design flaw should get the utmost respect compare to people who would just split when hard time rolled on.

Resource, you understand what I mean. Business is business, but the business that puts customer's first are the ones that are going to survive through long time of hardship. Anyway peace to all...

You might feel differently if it was YOUR car that was down for weeks at a time and YOU had to pay $600 for labor each time to keep removing them.

I'm sure BNR will do everything it can to make things right with their customers.

Resource, I'm with Artguy. Between the attitudes of yourself and some of the other guys who have posted, I wouldn't buy anything from your company if Bi-State was the last turbo company left in business....Most people don't like to be insulted when they have any questions or show skepticism regarding the product. I also don't see Bryan or other vendors coming on here and bashing other vendor's products. You have personally lost business for Bi-State from myself and I'm sure, several other people on this forum. Have a nice day.