Bathurst Type X?
 

So, I'm the new owner of a 95 Bathurst X. I've tried to do some prodding and combing through the search results, but I can't really find anything specific about the jdm model (plenty of info about the Australian one, though.)

Does anyone happen to know if it has the dual oil coolers of the Type-R?

It strikes me as a step up given the fact it has no rear seats, as well as the red leather seats. Just curious as to if anyone happens to know any more in depth information, as I'm not coming across much aside from production numbers of 777 and the stuff I've already mentioned.

I'm assuming you don't have the car yet since it will take all of 2 seconds looking in the front of the car to see how many oil coolers it has....

Dale

We have been discussing Type X on another thread.



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The bins were likely a later swap in. Someone may have traded for the red rear seats ( I did, but not bins).

There is probably a separate brochure for the Type X given its non-traditional launch time. I have not found it yet.

Brain Long, in his book, gives the specs. (Check the references in the Wkikipedia write-up; or get Brian Long's book off of Amazon.)

Dual oil cooler was likely as the car started as a Type R.

However, some of the specialty cars loose their unusual features before even getting to auction.

Do you have the dark gunmetal Bathurst X wheels?

For additional reference.

Page 157 has the description.

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/233989810595...IAAOSwAIxgU9me

No, I don't. If looking right at it from that angle were do-able right now I would have done that already, haha.

The car comes with rims, but I believe they are aftermarket. The OEM Efini wheels they are putting on are the regular color. As far as the back storage bins does anyone know for sure if they came with those? I know most jdm models were four seaters, but not entirely sure about this one due to its nature.

No Bins Four You
 

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P. 157 of Brian Long's book RX-& Mazda's rotary engine sports car

I have a set of the red leather Bathurst X rear seats, including side bolsters. Let me know if you are interested n trading for the bins.

The new spolier referred to is the Version 4 "Whaletail". I also have one of those from a Bathurst X.

All-in all with the variations the white Bathurst X must have looked pretty impressive in the showrooms.

Is your prospect black or white or?

The white car, with red seats and dark rims presaged (by five years) the later Type RZ that would morph into Spirit R. Refer to the schematic above

Bin there and gone.
 

According to Long's book the first use of the Bathurst name was on a Type R - II in Japan (late 1994). It seems that car was a two seater (so bins) and had blue tinted glass. Only 350 were made. Status of the two oil coolers is not mentioned, but maybe can be assumed. to be there. No big deal you can get a used set of twin oil coolers for about US$400 (check rotarypwr on Ebay). The right hand side cooler is usually harder to come by, as is the longer front oil line that runs right from the block. It is longer than the base which normally runs left and down to the left cooler.

Thank you for posting that! I really appreciate it! I'm going to have to pick that book up.

I may be interested in trading, actually, to return the car to full OEM spec. My storage bins, etc are all black, and the car itself is BB. I think I got somewhat lucky with it, to be honest. Flying out tomorrow to pick it up. 49,000 miles 99-102 compression on all faces, and It's been fully looked over by a reputable shop in that area. Grade 4 car overall.

Interesting. I thought I remember the name Bathurst being applied to basically all RX-7's in japan at a certain point, with only some of them being a step up in trim level. Someone who has the book and far more expertise on JDM models than I do will chime in here I'm sure.

My friend has the BB BX. I have been pilfering various BX parts from him in exchange for dubious amounts of C$ and DIY rx7 DVDs.

Post up your best picks here:

https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-gen-gene...ition-1148527/

I just received the brochure in the mail. It's a bit on the backlog before I can scan it and get a high quality upload, so I snapped some quick pics for you. Not sure if this will give you the information you need, but this is what I have from the brochure.


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That actually gives me a great head start. I need to source the OEM wheel. That looks to be one with an Airbag, at least to me.

Edit: It also has the 96 tails?? Mines a MY 1995, and has the 96+ tails, I'm wondering if that brochure is for a later year B-X or if the 95's had the circular taillights.

Yup. It is the following yeart. Based on the type RB. Nevermind. They only made 700 of those. Still very nice!

I have a Momo wheel from a 97 Type R. Not in the best shape. Prize is the Type RZ wheel of that era. No Airbag. Very nice.

Very nice brochure. Thanks for sharing!

I suspect they used much of the same brochure for the 95.

You can partly see the B pillar decal in several of the pictures.

Can anyone chime in to clarify if the factory MOMO wheel on the B-X has an airbag?

97 Type R Momo did.;96 BX shows it in the brochure. That is a strong indication.

this is what the parts catalog says, its worth it just for the bunk translation.
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That is really interesting. The MOMO wheel I've seen on some B-X's is almost like the wheel you'd see on a late model 180sx w/airbag. The one listed in the parts catalog you linked appears to not have one at all. I'm actually on my way right now to pick the car up (about 30,000 feet in the air) So I'll do a thorough look over. It looks like it doesn't come with an airbag, but I think the airbag sensors would likely be in the same place in the engine bay as the USDM models if it did. So I'll have a look.

Thank you for going through the parts catalog for that, by the way.

The picture of the Momo in the brochure. You can see it says "airbag'.

The TRG X is not the Bathurst.

You might have on aftermarket wheel on that car. Or if you have the Type RZ no airbag version, good for you. If you do I wonder if you have an earlier Bathurst there (the "Blue-tint Glass" one. If yes. Congratulations! The bins are a hint that you might. It so congratulations again.

Buy a giant box of bubble wrap on your way to pick it up (available at uhaul).

If you have the VIN number, someone here will run a search for you. However, the earliest bathurst might not mention the bathurst features on the VIN plate. (see drivers door jam). Post a picture of it (please).

agreed, its not the lest confusing listing i've seen but based on the brochure, i'd think the parts catalog would consider it an RB. its a Type RB Bathurst X...

There is the 94 "blue tint" Bathurst, Next the 95 Type R Bathurst X; then the 96 Type RB Bathurst X. And then on from there.

Odd that they call several successive versions a "debut" edition.

The Type R Bathurst R (2001) is the pick of the litter, (imo).

As someone pointed out, in the Version 6 case (circa 2002) they simply put the Bathurst name on the base Type RB. (Although it seems a few Type RB were also produced. Including Brian Long's Innocent Blue MIca, which he claims was one of the last FD made.) (Maybe they ran out of Bathurst stickers?)

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There should be a Bathurst X version of this out there somewhere.

Note side bol

Note side bolsters. Those don't show in the Type RB Bathurst X brochure (iirc). So maybe particular to the TR BX. The rear interior quarter panels were black though, unlike the USDM red leather interiors (to my knowledge).


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I have the top section as well, but it is rather sunbaked (read 1920's garage find).

I have these as well. A little more shopworn now and sans tires.



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Needles in the haystack
 

Here is a local car that, judging by the wheels, is likely a Bathurst X. No decal on the B-pillar. Rear spoiler and seats have been replaced by non-spec.

White helmet guy is passenger.


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Still had the wheels on it when last seen (Winter 2017).

Possible another set of Bathurst X wheels.

https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/l639011552

Here's the steering wheel.

https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/r482442970

Jess Streeter could possible get those to your door for US$800 all-in. Again no mention of Bathurst in the description so seller may not know (or care).

Who knows how common these will show up.

Grab the wheel and go!
 

That is a very nice example. Maybe removed from the car early in ownership?

No mention of Bathurst. But says air bag inflator has been removed. Shipping live air bags is very difficult.

This seems like a must have and price is very good.!

It's a very clean example so yea it could have been removed very early on its life.

No mention of Bathurst but the look match the Bathurst X brochure.

Mazda use the same airbag charge across all the Mid 90s vehicle, you can probably source the charge at a local yard with the right plug for the FD.

Another Bathurst Was Here
 

Here is The Bathurst B pillar decal from a local car. That makes at least three BX that were here locally.

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good info here...
i almost picked up a white one a couple years ago, but opted not to because i was told that the jdm cars had a lot less room.
something about the way the exhaust is ran on that side...can anyone confirm? im 6ft tall and already have issues getting in and out of mine.
also, i already had 2 fd's so i opted to get another supra instead. it would be cool to own a stock example of this model.
kinda wish i would have purchased the car because now they have shot up in price. was recently looking to sell/trade one of mine to pick up a rhd
car because i miss shifting with my left hand...

Sorry for the delay everyone. After I got the car back the weather was pretty rainy, and then I had some real life obligations. If someone does want to verify the chassis, its FD3S-305795.

I'm fairly certain the wheel is aftermarket, even though it is a Momo.


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How about the Pillar sticker?

Late 1995 likely.


My notes for JDM production for 1995 are as follows:

First car of the year: 301812
Last Car: 306399
Difference: 4587
Daily average: 13 (12.57)

I have no idea if the plant would operate 24/7/365.

Subject car: 305795
Difference from car one: 3983
As a % of total Production: 87%
Times 365 day:/year: 318 *(17.55)

As records show the cars were produced largely sequentially, I would predict your car was produced on the 318th day of the year (Nov. 15, 1995)(plus or minus a few days to allow for weekends.)

This would land the car in Type R Bathurst X time frames.

Which does not explain the bins.

You could examine the B Pillar on the inside to see if there was ever any seat back retaining brackets mounted. I would expect that the welded in nuts would be there, but are there and scratches/dust shadows?

Does your rear window show signs of blue tint?

Despite the brochures, it might have been possible that the buyer ordered bins?

12 cars a day is almost "build by hand" pace. Could random option requests be granted?

Was this car actually slated to be an RS or RZ and changed to Bathurst at the last moment?

Someone may be more willing to dive into the Russian site. This will yield more precise production info. It is always interesting to check which cars were in sequence before and after.

Usually it is quite random.

My math above could be quite off. It may not allow for halts in production, cars destined for non-JDM markets and/or other factors.

Tail u what.

The whaletail spoiler is consistent with the switch over to that tail for Version 4 cars (in 1996) and is consistent with the literature. The chromed gas peddle may have been a standard feature of he BX or a factory or later added option.

just based on the current ND production the factory runs about 6 days a week. the USA 1995 production was kind of in two chunks, about half in April 1995, and the other half in December 1995. the FD wouldn't be legal as a 1996 model, so they ran off a really late batch of 1995's. i would expect Japan to be more even, but i don't know (and don't have a way to check!)

i can tell you it is a 1995 though, the "1996" is a 400001+ vin. in Japan they would say Version.

Wheel you do.

The list above shows there was a Momo non-airbag version of the wheel.

But it may not have looke dlike th one in your car.

Yours is possible a "period correect" aftermarket momo.

It be curious to see if you still have the expected airbag wiring under the dash or if there is evidence of it being cut off.

If it is indeed a factory non-air bag wheel, that would lend to the theory your car was a last minute switch to bathurst designation.

Still foggy.

Existence or non- existence of fogs may also be a clue. Any evidence fogs were once there?

The Type RB brochure above shows fogs and the fogs switch.

\\My notes show the 300xxx Vin started being used in1994. So blue tint Bathurst may have version 3 (300000) or maybe version 2 (200,000) Vin numbers . My notes show that in 1995 500 cars were produced for US (terry Hahn email) giving assumed production fo r the year of 5087 (Brian Long says 5202, which might include other markets)

yes you're right, the JDM catalog says 7/1994-, the first North American car is 9/02/1994

there are about 5 different markets? its bugging me, i saw something that listed them the other day, but its Japan, North America, Europe, i think Australia

hello do you know more info about type R-II bathurst? I think my car is type R-II bathurst but i dont know what the differences, csn you help me?
already searched anywhere but no info about that
thankyou

What is your VIN
 

Your VIN number would be a good clue. Otherwise I believe I have included the reported features of an R-II Bathurst in a post above. So basically R-II equipment plus the several Bathurst add-ons.

If you have the blue-tinted hatch glass, it would be great to see a picture of it.

Also if you car has the bins, it would be good to see a picture of your "backseat" area.

were you ever able to scan this entire brochure? I also own 1/777 of the Bathurst X’s. Grade 4 Won at auction april 2020 at USS Nagoya. I looked all over to find that brochure with no luck. Id like to replicate the Bathurst X decal since mine is gone.

It seems like the majority of them are gone. What color is your car?

I'm in the process of actually getting the decals reprinted, waiting on some revisions I requested back from the designer.

Attached are photos of my grade 4 Bathurst X from USS Nagoya. The previous owner already tastefully upgraded to 99 spec front bumper, wing & tail lights :) as well as some information i can contribute on the bathurst X spec taken from the book “I love FD3S RX-7”

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nice! I didnt realize black cars got a different color scheme decal than the white. I was going to measure by eye off the photos what size i think the decal should be and have someone do the same.

Yes, there it is.

That brochure is a nice find.

That steering wheel is rare now.

It would be interesting to see what the full part numbers for the 040 (dash harness) and 030 (instrument harness) are.

If you ever get that deep into the dash.

Yep, they indeed did. Once I get my decals in hand I'll take some photos and post them up.

Do you by any chance have the pages from that publication that shows the BB B-X? The ones that are posted here are for 96+