94 R2 w 31k miles for $50,000?
 

Just watching Youtube and Doug Dumero reviewed a 94 Silver R2 with only 31k miles thats on sale for $50,000... Bit too much?

Also, its interesting to hear about how Stock FD drives like...

that one was for sale for 29k in a dealership in May. I was 1 day too late and someone bought it. Now I know who. And good god price flip. I hate people like that =_=

Beautiful car, but no way I see $50k for it. The dealership priced it accordingly at $29k and would have been a great deal for anyone...

Solid review.

Note to people tentative to watch, the guy reviewing it is not the seller (he does car reviews).

50 grand and look at that rake. I don't remember my FD ever sitting like that even when it was bone stock.

A-Pillar gauge? Single exhaust that sticks out? Where's the rear valance? Why is it that all the really expensive ones are always missing the battery cover?


/nitpick. That IS a nice FD though. 25K or so sounds about right.

I was thinking it did look a bit funny since the rear was so high.

His Only disappointment is that He cannot look at the car while driving it... I share this disappointment.

That is how much rake my stock racing class FD had with stock springs and GAB Super Rs, so it looked normal to me.

Holy crap, thanks for posting this video!

I never knew the driver window switch getting stuck (until the window rolls all the way down) was normal, I thought I bought a used broken one when it was supposedly "new"! And the rear center panel actually goes down... I thought it was to remove it...

I've had this car for 10 years now, and I've never noticed the ever so slightly smaller trunk storage compartments.
Maybe because the car goes on a towbed before I'd drive the on the spare tire.
Learn something new everyday.
Surprised he didn't say anything about the passenger side. The driver side seems much more spacious compared to sitting in the passenger side.

Part of that rake is an illusion caused by the slope of the surface it's sitting on...

That car has some issues...it is far from perfect and far from being a $50K car!
I never knew any model had an 'auto-down' driver's window. My '93 isn't that way.
One has to laugh at some of the comments, especially the dude saying how the 300ZX was faster, blah blah blah...

94 and 95 has it.

Was this the car that was for sale forever awhile back on the forums/Autotrader?

i saw the vid a few days ago and my initial thought was it's a $20k-25k car, it's not totally unmolested and 30k isn't showroom new anymore to fetch new dealer prices.


never seen a FD with the auto window feature functioning either, either that function breaks very quickly or someone dumped soda in the switch, lol.

Can I simply buy a '94/'95 switch and have it all work? One would assume so...

The seller told me he sold it for 34 or more but based on people I know who made him offers I knew that was high so figured 33k. Funny that he sold it to a dealer for much less. Big chip on the that shoulder which I realized fully when I posted in his thread on rennlist (what a mistake that was lol).

https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...quality-3.html

Yep

All 94s and up have auto down switch. Always buy the 94 and up new switch so you have that cool feature. If you push it down 1/2 way to 3/4s it works like a regular switch and if pushed down fully it locks in place. It's a cool switch.

In today's market if it had good compression and good paint it's easily a 35k FD and likely a 40k slow sale car if it was TRULY in exceptional condition. Sadly it's your average FD with 30k miles.

One thing it definitely isn't is a 50k FD............:D That said this is a hot market and that's a very hot FD. SSM r2 might be my favorite FD but red just stirs my emotions more so it's a tough call.

Lets be real 50k is just stupid money for this car or any FD when you can still buy a good one for 20 or less. It's nice to see values up a good 10k for good cars but clearly some sellers are testing the market a bit. Once I see several FDs sell for high 30s or low 40s then maybe it can stretch to 50 but it's not easy to go from low 30s straight to 50 :)

I love watching this guy’s YouTube car reviews. Reminds me of Jay Leno but with a goofier, more excited enthusiasm about the cars he drives. And far from being one of the typical millennial Youtube “bros”. He doesn’t always buy the cars he reviews, like this one. The dealership just lended it to him for the review. He did buy a Viper GTS and an Aston Martin in the past though.

yep! FD14-66-350C

I was looking at the uneven wheel gap between front and rear wheels. Even when it was on stock nearly-100K mile suspension, my car always sat nice and straight.

It's completely normal for stock FDs to have some rake (bigger gap in rear wheel/rear higher than front). People that take the rake out are making a handling mistake with this car or really any car. This car pushes already in stock form so if you take the rake out and it will push even more.

doug does great reviews. I've seen a lot of his videos.

also, I completely agree with him on just about everything he said in this video. he's kind of quirky/excited about stuff like this, but he is very realistic and has drive many, many different cars and has interesting feedback.

also, yeah, the 94+ window switch is the best thing about the 94+ cars :)
I recently bought one for mine.

i agree 100%.
a lot of people don’t like him but I personally think he is great and gives realistic average joe reviews, he’s not biased to any car or brand which makes it more interesting.

I am sure fritz has a much better condition FD in his hands than that 94 silver R2. Let us see what you have fritz.

I dont agree with half of his reviews...overly enthusiastic which can sometimes feel fake. Also notice how he rarely if ever says anything bad about any of the cars he reviews. I would not call his reviews objective.

His worst one is probably the one for new NSX. I personally think that car is a huge disappointment.

Here's one you sold that had 29k on it. No rake.
https://www.rx7club.com/attachments/...aste-white.jpg

61K also from you. Nice and even
https://www.rx7club.com/attachments/...ivers-side.jpg

There are plenty more examples of stock FDs that sit straight on this site.

If anything it looks like the one in the OP is sagging up front.

I saw the review also, and this FD is most certainly not stock or worth anywhere near 50k. Sure when you raise the hood you'll notice that the it hasn't been molested in any way but, the interior has got more than enough for anyone to realize that someone had there way with it at some point. I'm sure everyone will agree that our FDs didn't come with front and rear tweeters or a gauge pod. Needless to say this poor RX will be collecting dust for a long time.

The stock FD has rake. I don't know the exact measurements but I think it's about an inch.

Possibly the angle of the picture makes the R2 appear to have more than it should. At any rate it's over priced and I wouldn't be a buyer at 35k.

PS you can clearly see the rake on the silver car or at least I can.

Nvm.

A dealership gives him a cool new car to review and he makes a $3000-$5000 per video. Meanwhile, the dealership has their product seen by millions of people in a short time. It's a good relationship. If Doug were to start saying bad things about the cars then that would translate negatively towards the sale of the car. There wouldn't be a lot of dealerships left to lend him cars if he were to say a lot of negative things. He would get bad reputation and his income would suffer drastically.

He recently did an Aston Martin review and talked about the key. The key for this Aston Martin has to be kept in a leather pouch on your belt and every time you want to start the car you have to unclip the leather pouch, open it, remove the key, insert the key in to the top of the centre console, and then push the start button. It was a big quirk and a very stupid procedure. However, he made it sound like an Aston Martin owner should look forward to this and relish the fact that they have to go through the extra steps because owning an Aston Martin, especially the one in the review, is only for the most special of people whom are of the highest class.

OK. I must be cross eyed, because you're never wrong and the car in the screenshot at the top of this thread looks to me like it has much more rake than the white low mile one you sold. Or the silver one. Or mine when I go outside and look at it. Or most of the ones I see at endless car meets around the SF Bay Area.

The angle of the pics can make a big difference. I always do my best to hide the rake and big wheel well spaces when taking pics because it's not attractive.

The next time I have a stock FD I'll measure the distance from the center of the fender to the pavement. Again I'm pretty sure it's an inch difference which is a decent amount of rake.

PS I'm wrong all the time and may even have this info wrong. I'm practically senile at 53 LOL

You are not wrong Fritz. A stock FD always has a bigger gap above the rear wheel. That's the way they were made. That's a fact!! Angles of pictures can sometimes hide it.

Yeah, stock FDs are super high in the rear. When you're used to seeing them dropped with flush fitment, it looks weird. But, that's how they were 100%.

The quickest way to end the debate of rake vs no rake is to look at an official Mazda ad. Unless it is a racing ad, then we are pretty much guaranteed the FD used is stock.




https://www.rx7club.com/attachments/...s-ad3-05-1.jpg

Wow, this debate is still going on?

Here. Photos from my stock car with 15,900 miles on it.

edit: and the board doesn't understand EXIF rotation info I see. Oh well. As you can see, Fritz is right: 1" difference in height in rear vs front fender to floor.

One thing you need to know about cars in ads are that they are notoriously lower than stock. They go for the marketing look. Stock FD’s had rake...but I only have experience with R models. My 95 did and my 93 does. Very much like the pics with measurements above.

A YouTube video interview with a guy from Hagerty on where the values for all 3 generations are and are going.

Yep someone mentioned an FD selling for 75k in one of the value threads and the info came from this video.

Interesting stuff, BUT, no way, no how will the 1st or 2nd gen EVER be worth more than an equal 3rd gen. In my opinion Hagerty is way off on that statement. Possibly my bias speaking and I should listen to an avid collector but I just don't see that even remotely clear in my crystal ball.

I do think the JDM thing is real and likely the most valuable FD in 50 years will be one of the later model RZs.

That said I also believe the auto world/collector world etc..... is really going to change drastically in the near future. Whether that takes values up or down who knows. I say enjoy driving your favorite sports car NOW rather than later. If you want to invest buy stocks if you like collecting cars/not investing then the car collector in me would look for the best 3rd gen I could find over any other car on the planet LOL.

PS This SSM R2 wouldn't be picked up by my collector radar either :D