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boostmotorsport 08-27-02 10:02 PM

Who would be intrested in buying Carbon Fiber Fenders?
 
I recently bought quite a bit of Carbon Fiber, and a Carbon/glass hybrid weave. That being the case I have been doing a lil experimenting, as I am still somewhat a novice. Anyway, I made a fender the other day and it came out beautifully. I have yet to weigh it versus the stocker but it feels about 1/4 the weight of the stock one!! When I lifted it from the mold I was shocked! The one I made, I used 1 ply of 2x2-5.7OZ twill, 1 ply of the carbon/glass weave and another of the CF.
Anyway would anyone here be intrested in buying a set, if I can/do infact get another pair ready to go in good quality? I WILL post pics within the next week or so. Or will have someone post them for me as I dont know how to do so. The price will prolly be around 500$ a pair.
Any way, is there any intrest?

banzaitoyota 08-27-02 10:18 PM

Not being critical or anything, but did they turn out better than your hood?
You know how to post pics.

TurboSmoke 08-27-02 10:19 PM

got any pics? the price is a little hight

TriTurboGen3 RX-7 08-27-02 10:24 PM

Are they any wider than stock ? Something like the GS sports ?

BTW Anyone know the website for Gs sports

Rotary-Revolution 08-27-02 10:24 PM

Pics!:D :D :D

boostmotorsport 08-27-02 10:39 PM

They did come out better than my hood, As I said I am still learning. I am an honest person. "You know how to post pics" - I DONT know how to post pics, I always have someone post them for me, do a search with my username. You must dislike me huh?

TurboSmoke 08-27-02 10:41 PM

send the pics to JBush85016@aol.com and i will post them when you are ready

banzaitoyota 08-27-02 10:43 PM

No dislike intended at all. Its just the fact you have had pics in your previous posts. And the hood did not have a "finished appearance", especially aronf the lights. I just asked if the quality was better than your hood, thats all: No malice implied or intended. If my wording offended you I am truely sorry, and extend my apology :)

Ni5mo180SX 08-27-02 11:09 PM

Wow sounds nice. The idea alone that someones willing to make them catches my interest. Id definetly like to see the finished product.

kristopher_d 08-27-02 11:12 PM

Man I wish I were at that stage in my mods.

TurboSmoke 08-27-02 11:14 PM

500.00 seems a bit high though

3rotor02 08-27-02 11:18 PM

put me in on a pair for (fd3s) i already have the carbonfiber doors

E6KT2 08-27-02 11:18 PM

The price sounds right. I would pay that much if they were well made. Take that for what it's worth considering that I do my own composites work. Would you consider trading for a CF hood? That project should be starting in a couple of weeks. BTW, lets see the pics!!!:)

boostmotorsport 08-27-02 11:31 PM

Honestly, I have only gotten 75% of the work done on one yet so I dont know yet, if I have a "sellable " product. So far, though it looks good. I would trade for a CF hood in a minute! I have made about 4 unsuccesfull ones!! Pretty expensive learning process!! If you(or anyone) can make and produce CF hoods for FC's for under 600$ and have a dozen or so "in stock", you could make a lotta $! I wish you the best of luck with that.
The price I set is dictated by the value of the materials used, my time to make them/ and deal with the rigours of selling them, and the price of other CF fenders for more popular cars. With that in mind 500$ is a good deal(IMO).

scathcart 08-28-02 02:08 AM

I find $500 cheap, actually, for what is being offered. Just one hood is usually around $700, and we're talking about twice the material and twice the tooling time.

jspecracer7 08-28-02 04:34 AM


Originally posted by turbosmoke
500.00 seems a bit high though
Carbon fiber side skirts cost $500.00

Fiberglass fenders's cost over $1000.00

How does a pair of carbon fiber fenders that cost $500.00 seem high?:confused:

DShot 08-28-02 06:56 AM

well i need fenders and CF would be the way to go....but 500 bucks.....hmmmm i can get aftermarket ones for like 115 + shipping.....guess they may have to wait

- D

DomFD3S 08-28-02 09:32 AM

Jspecracer7 is right. $500 is a VERY affordable price.

Barwick 08-28-02 11:25 AM

I'd be interested I suppose.. my drivers side front fender is mucked up.. as long as it can be painted to look COMPLETELY stock, then yeah I'm interested at some point.

rx7_ragtop 08-28-02 11:56 AM


Originally posted by jspecracer7


Carbon fiber side skirts cost $500.00

Fiberglass fenders's cost over $1000.00

How does a pair of carbon fiber fenders that cost $500.00 seem high?:confused:

Actually the wider fiberglass ones (stock appearing) from Mariah were about $375 each last time I checked. $500 for CF would be a good deal, if the quality is there.

Brad

CrackHeadMel 08-28-02 01:13 PM

I got to see the fender Fred made today, it looked Very nice, all the lines where there and was very smooth, and he isnt kidding its friggen light as hell, a few pounds at most

-Jacob

KNONFS 08-28-02 01:27 PM

Not really interested, BUT could you please try a CF sunroof!!!!!

Rust started eating mine :(

Turbo_Rotary 08-28-02 02:44 PM

If you make them a bit wider than stock, I would definetely be interested in CF fenders. If these were made I would be set to have a whole CF front end!

Sammymatik 08-28-02 06:41 PM

Hey boostmotorsport,

I had tried to make some fiber glass flip up headlight covers, but I'm extremely novice. I think my molds were just not that great, I gotta go at making a good mold though. Do you have any pictures of your mold setup?

I did vac bags too, works really well. ALthough I have heard that bag material can be a pain to find. I just bought some from a guy who makes awesom huge catamaran boats.

I'd like to make a CF hood, but I need more practice.

TriTurboGen3 RX-7 08-28-02 09:15 PM

PICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

boostmotorsport 08-28-02 11:09 PM

Jacob- thanks a lot for the compliments!! I will have pics prolly within the next week. Assuming that I do finish a good set, is anyone TRULY intrested in buying a set?

scathcart 08-28-02 11:35 PM


Originally posted by boostmotorsport
Jacob- thanks a lot for the compliments!! I will have pics prolly within the next week. Assuming that I do finish a good set, is anyone TRULY intrested in buying a set?
Finish a good set, make em dead stock, post pics, and we'll talk. I'm interested, and that's a great price.

jspecracer7 08-29-02 03:02 AM


Originally posted by rx7_ragtop


Actually the wider fiberglass ones (stock appearing) from Mariah were about $375 each last time I checked. $500 for CF would be a good deal, if the quality is there.

Brad

$375 is real good for one! The set I was talking about however was for an FD...and from RE Amemiya:cool:

SirRX7 08-29-02 02:36 PM

This thread is worthy of a bump.
BTW, maybe those that thought $500 was a high price thought that it was only for 1 fender? I don't see how that price for 2 CF fenders can possibly be considered high.

banzaitoyota 08-29-02 02:48 PM

Price is reasonable. Quality has yet to be seen. I would be more interested in a wider set. A stock set does have its uses though.

A couple of questions:
1. Are the bolt holes going to be reenforced in any way.
2. Are All the Factory mounting holes going to be provided for?
3. How "thick" is the finish going to be. Will you still see the texture of the weave or is it going to be glass smooth and free of pinholes and inclusions?
4. will it be bubble free?

Personnaly I would paint them, but some of the potential customers would want the "GOLLY GEE WILLACKERS WALLY!!!" look of carbon fiber

Zach McAfee 08-29-02 02:59 PM


Originally posted by banzaitoyota
Personnaly I would paint them, but some of the potential customers would want the "GOLLY GEE WILLACKERS WALLY!!!" look of carbon fiber
:crackup:

I'm interested, and would also paint the fenders. Some weight savings data would be nice.

stonePETER 08-29-02 03:14 PM

I would also paint them.
But, I would have a "ROTARY POWERED" sticker where the "TURBOII" one is stock. Then take the sticker off so it is written with the C/F under it.

I think a slight flare is good, nothing crazy.

scathcart 08-29-02 06:30 PM


Originally posted by banzaitoyota
Price is reasonable. Quality has yet to be seen. I would be more interested in a wider set. A stock set does have its uses though.

A couple of questions:
1. Are the bolt holes going to be reenforced in any way.
2. Are All the Factory mounting holes going to be provided for?
3. How "thick" is the finish going to be. Will you still see the texture of the weave or is it going to be glass smooth and free of pinholes and inclusions?
4. will it be bubble free?

Personnaly I would paint them, but some of the potential customers would want the "GOLLY GEE WILLACKERS WALLY!!!" look of carbon fiber

I would also paint them, and since it would only be a weight savings and not cosmetic, would prefer them out of kevlar due to strength and added weight reduction benefits.

Felix Wankel 08-29-02 06:32 PM


Originally posted by scathcart


I would also paint them, and since it would only be a weight savings and not cosmetic, would prefer them out of kevlar due to strength and added weight reduction benefits.

Plus if you get shot at... :)

scathcart 08-29-02 06:36 PM


Originally posted by Felix Wankel


Plus if you get shot at... :)

Don't bullet proof vests have like 8 layers of that stuff? 8 layers on a fender would defeat the entire weight loss purpose...

But might save the guy's car beside me when I nitrous backfire and blow my intake manifold apart. I really need to address that turbo fuel set-up....

CrackHeadMel 08-29-02 06:38 PM

Why out of Kevlar?

The strengths of an impregnated carbon fiber weave vs. a Kevlar one wouldn’t change much if any with a force being applied at an obtuse angle. The only difference would be the Kevlar would crack and cave in, absorbing the impact, and the carbon fiber would just shatter in that area, I don’t see repairing the Kevlar possible, so either way you would end up replacing the fender

-Jacob

jacobcartmill 08-29-02 07:23 PM

I WANT TO SEE SOME PICTURES OF THIS SHIT.

jacobcartmill 08-29-02 07:24 PM

it sounds pretty badass if they are the exact same as the stock fenders with all the holes lined up and stuff... lets see some sumbitchin' pictures!

scathcart 08-29-02 08:35 PM


Originally posted by CrackHeadMel
Why out of Kevlar?

The strengths of an impregnated carbon fiber weave vs. a Kevlar one wouldn’t change much if any with a force being applied at an obtuse angle. The only difference would be the Kevlar would crack and cave in, absorbing the impact, and the carbon fiber would just shatter in that area, I don’t see repairing the Kevlar possible, so either way you would end up replacing the fender

-Jacob

Why? Lighter for same strength compared to CF.

jacobcartmill 08-29-02 11:10 PM

cf looks better

Felix Wankel 08-29-02 11:19 PM

Yeah you can get CF fenders, hood, and front bumper. Then leave them unpainted so it looks like you crashed your car and didn't have the money to paint the replacement parts. :doh:

scathcart 08-30-02 12:00 AM


Originally posted by jacobcartmill
cf looks better
Hooked on phonics.

Read my posts:
"I would also paint them, and since it would only be a weight savings and not cosmetic, would prefer them out of kevlar due to strength and added weight reduction benefits."

CF may look better, but looks mean diddly-squat under paint.

scathcart 08-30-02 12:01 AM


Originally posted by Felix Wankel
Yeah you can get CF fenders, hood, and front bumper. Then leave them unpainted so it looks like you crashed your car and didn't have the money to paint the replacement parts. :doh:
Exactly. Carbon fiber hood, unpainted, on black car, and painted kevlar fenders and painted bumper. That's what I want.

boostmotorsport 08-30-02 12:08 AM

The factory mounting spots will have 1 or 2 extra layers of CF to make them more rigid, but bar in mind they will be there to support something that weighs only around 5 lbs. I will not predrill the wholes as it is very easy for the customer to do, and my car versus the next T2 may have slightly different fitting. As soon as I have them said and done I will weight them versus stock. There will be a VERY big difference. The first fender made had a couple small(un der 1 sq. inch) spots where the resin/carbon pulled away from the mold causing a blemish. The surface on them is the same as the stock unpainted fender, smooth enough to have a light shine to it without clear coat. There will be no "bubbles".
If the 500$ price tag is too high , take a look at other FC fender prices. Or any other CF product with comparable surface area, and you will see that 500$ is quite reasonable. Also I being a fellow T2 owner am always open to trades that will benefit my motor!

jacobcartmill 08-30-02 12:57 AM

nice, how far are you from completion?

CrackHeadMel 08-30-02 06:35 AM


Why? Lighter for same strength compared to CF.
The weight differences are negligable, and kevlar is costly, i dont think you would get a noticable weight difference after 6 or 7 full layers, but i could be wrong, guess ill have to go weigh some kevlar

-Jacob

E6KT2 08-30-02 08:48 AM


The weight differences are negligable, and kevlar is costly, i dont think you would get a noticable weight difference after 6 or 7 full layers, but i could be wrong
Not to mention it's almost impossible to work with. Kevlar would be a little more ideal, but realistically CF is fine.

CrackHeadMel 08-30-02 09:53 AM


Not to mention it's almost impossible to work with. Kevlar would be a little more ideal, but realistically CF is fine.
Agreed, to get kevlar to keep the factory lines you would need a very good press, and that gets expensive

-Jacob

RX-7Impreza 08-30-02 01:08 PM

but the differences in the physical characteristics of CF and CK are great.

carbon fiber is very stiff but does not react well to severe impact. on the other hand you can kick the shit out of a CK panel and it will come right back to where it started.

Justin

CrackHeadMel 09-05-02 05:24 PM

So what happend to these? Any updates? Pics? i dont have a car right now so i cant drive over there =[

-Jacob


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