RX7Club.com - Mazda RX7 Forum

RX7Club.com - Mazda RX7 Forum (https://www.rx7club.com/)
-   2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992) (https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generation-specific-1986-1992-17/)
-   -   Slight throttle dies (https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generation-specific-1986-1992-17/slight-throttle-dies-1089666/)

R.O.D 09-15-15 09:14 PM

Slight throttle dies
 
Ok fellas, so here's the issue. And before you say it, yes I have researched and tried diagnosing.
This happens when:
Partial throttle is applied
In any gear, At rpm:
Afr - - -(dashes) out lean
Dies at idle
Face plants driving

If I baby touch the throttle its fine and drivable..ish except up hill not enough air flow/power:
- 1.6v to ~3.9+v

At ~4.5v partial throttle that's when dash out lean Afr hits
During idling it WILL cause engine to die.
While driving it will cause power loss and nose dive
When I press just past "dead zone" throttle, 4.5v half to full throttle, afr jumps back up to normal operation

So I'd say
0 to 10% throttle input gives normal afr

~15 to 25% is the "dead zone"

~30 to 100% throttle input gives normal afr
If that makes any more since.

I have checked for any possible vacuum leaks, all resolved.
Timing. No change.
Swapped around afm, tps, barometric pressure sensor. No change.
Put my rtek 2.1 to factory settings. No change.
Swapped around injectors. No change.

If any other info is need, please ask.
This issue makes it hell to drive slow in residential, or go from a stop without spinning wheels.

Thanks, Brendan

misterstyx69 09-16-15 08:56 AM

Thread Copied..and now shows up in the RTEK Section so you can get help there too.
Good luck to ya.
STYX (MOD)

barkz 09-16-15 10:38 AM

Do you have a stock ecu to swap in to check?

R.O.D 09-16-15 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by barkz (Post 11968814)
Do you have a stock ecu to swap in to check?

Haven't swapped ecus yet, will try that tomorrow.

Was thinking maybe poor fuel pressure, but that affect higher rpms and not lower, right?

FührerTüner 09-16-15 02:46 PM

Turbo or na

Also when you give it partial throttle i wonder if it somehow thinks its in decel mode and is cutting fuel to 1 rotor... i dunnno

RotaryEvolution 09-16-15 03:50 PM

disconnect the TPS and retry

R.O.D 09-16-15 05:06 PM

Sorry should've specified specs

86 frame 88 turbo swap
Stock ports all emissions removed
Bac valve installed, not plugged in
(Not a leak source, I've checked)
550s prime and sec for now
Modded tb
60-1 t04e .82 ar exhaust 3" outlet
Running +/- 5 psi for breakin period
2.5" tubing and large fmic
Stock coils and plugs
Avcr ebc
Rtek 2.1
Apexi neo (only for system monitoring)
Read rumors on here that they sometimes cause issues even being installed. May remove for testing.
Aem wb afr


I will disconnect tps and try swapping ecu at different interval.

What will disconnecting the tps do or show? Will it even start or run?

RotaryEvolution 09-16-15 05:32 PM

ditch the neo, if it isnt set properly it will only cause issues

R.O.D 09-16-15 06:13 PM

Probably will for troubleshooting. But issues came after neo install. Actually years later.
About to go fly now, but will test first thing tomorrow.


Originally Posted by Lyger (Post 11968951)
ditch the neo, if it isnt set properly it will only cause issues


R.O.D 09-16-15 11:27 PM


Crap video, but best I could do at 11pm. Hopefully it can shed some more light on the issue. I'll take a better one if needed. Gonna test tomorrow.

Thanks

R.O.D 09-17-15 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by Lyger (Post 11968917)
disconnect the TPS and retry

Disconnected while idling. Died. Started without tps. Wouldn't hold idle. Still had dead zone.
Not sure what that was testing.. But plugging it back in lol

Ecu swap next. Then neo removal.

R.O.D 09-17-15 05:50 PM

Ecu swap. No change.
Neo removal. No change.
:/

RotaryEvolution 09-18-15 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by R.O.D (Post 11969353)
Disconnected while idling. Died. Started without tps. Wouldn't hold idle. Still had dead zone.
Not sure what that was testing.. But plugging it back in lol

Ecu swap next. Then neo removal.

simple, the TPS is what controls decel rear rotor cut and decel full fuel cut. it is a process of elimination.

sounds like you have a faulty injector ground or a severe lack of fuel pressure.

R.O.D 09-18-15 05:40 PM

I gotcha! Ya and I'm starting to think fuel psi as well. If I slowly let off the throttle that "dead zone" almost disappears. May be a hack job. But thinking of using a vice grib to slightly increase pressure by making the return side a little more restricted. Thoughts? BTW, this will NOT be permanent. Just for testing.



Originally Posted by Lyger (Post 11969542)
simple, the TPS is what controls decel rear rotor cut and decel full fuel cut. it is a process of elimination.

sounds like you have a faulty injector ground or a severe lack of fuel pressure.


RotaryEvolution 09-18-15 05:54 PM

that would only work if the regulator is stuck open and allowing pressure to bleed off. if the pump is weak or there is a bypassing leak inside the tank then that won't really accomplish much. you can usually rent a pressure tester from a generic auto parts store.

R.O.D 09-18-15 09:37 PM

Started cheap tonight by getting a new fuel filter. Did the $1 hooker trick and put my mouth on it and blew lol
Old one was definitely restrictive compared to the new one. Gonna go out tonight and gather info :D

sir revalot 09-19-15 02:49 AM

Boost leak or vac leak between turbo and throttle body...

AFM can't read the extra air drawn in as the throttle is slightly opened as it sucks air elsewhere.

Once the turbo starts spooling it draws air through the AFM and sorts itself out..

Probably runs a bit rich on boost too and a bit lean on idle too.

If it was fuel filter/pump/pressure it would hate any kind of load.

sir revalot 09-19-15 02:54 AM

Or maybe the ECU isn't giving that extra squirt of fuel as the throttle is pressed as an accelerator pump does on a carby.

sir revalot 09-19-15 02:56 AM

Also check and double check ignition timing as per factory specs as retarded ign timing will do this too.

RotaryEvolution 09-19-15 06:23 AM

a large vacuum leak could do it but i'd be pretty surprised that the ECU didn't cut off the pump once started and that the car wouldn't just continually stall versus idle. but i guess it really depends where the leak is and whether it is able to act as a flapper valve with enough air movement.

R.O.D 09-19-15 04:38 PM

Pulled the fuel pump out. Inside looks either rusted or just dirty. Aaaaand the pump sock was destroyed. Looks like the pump ate it. Soooooo. Got an aeromotive 340 on the way, but gonna try this one again with a new sock and see how it does. Plus I'm gonna try to do the 12v pump rewire.

RotaryEvolution 09-19-15 04:48 PM

a rewire is a good idea for any turbo car, sounds skeptical that a new sock will fix the pump though.

R.O.D 09-19-15 09:09 PM

I don't disagree, bit thought it might be worth a shot. Jury rigged some crap as a sock to prevent large contaminants from getting in. I think the pump is just shot. Between eating the old sock and more than likely because it sat in old fuel its probably just done. New pump should be in Wednesday. I'll report back then.


Originally Posted by Lyger (Post 11970081)
a rewire is a good idea for any turbo car, sounds skeptical that a new sock will fix the pump though.


R.O.D 09-21-15 03:38 PM

Just installed a aeromotive 340lph. No a little tiny bit smoother. But overall, no change. Maybe a bad fpr??? Idk. I'm at wits end :(

RotaryEvolution 09-21-15 03:55 PM

have you checked the injector ground on the main engine harness?


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:24 PM.


© 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands