I just installed an S4 TII Drivetrain on my S5 NA. I used the Exedy Stage 1 Clutch Kit. Throw out bearing fit on the clutch fork and front cover just fine on the S4 TII. I did not tell the company I ordered from whether or not I had S5 or S4. The box came with the years 86-91 on it. So unless they guessed right, Throw-out bearings must be the same for all series.

lol glad i could start a good conversation. There is some good info in here now though

I had to have the guys from Mazdatrix measure for me, there was a difference.
I even have the old front cover I can ship you and you yourself can see it was different. Maybe now they sell one cover but used to have 2, who knows?

So either someone bolted a mystery front cover on the transmission before I got it which caused this issue or there used to be a different front cover.
What are the differences in the throw out bearing between series to series?

And it did not take 4 mechanics to install it wise ass, we are saying that 4 people seen it and the issue, dont make like your the only one who has worked on these cars and the only one who knows anything- its a big world out there.

Listen up pal, I was trying to help you out. I don't want you to ship me you parts, and I really don't care if you got bent over by your "rotary mechanics". There are hundreds of "shade tree wrench twisters" out there calling themselves rotary mechanics. However your experience explains why we have cars from 7 different states and engines from another 5 states in our shop right now. You want to start calling me names because you got screwed, that is just pathetic, good luck with your car.

Listen "pal", my car is doing just fine thank you. I called you a wise ass because you are not listening to me and for some reason insisting I got "screwed over"

Maybe someone changed the front cover on my transmission, it was used, all I know is that the S5 throw out bearing would not fit on the front cover. I still have this front cover which is why i said I can send it to you since you think we were all seeing things.

never mind from the start you said there was no front cover, just a bellhousing.

I bought a new fork, throw out bearing from Mazda, they did not fit, period.
I bought the new front cover after I had someone at Mazdatrix measure it for me, problem solved- so again either there are 2 different front covers or someone swapped another one onto my transmission before I got it, which I had in my storage shed for almost 3 years.

I cant see how I got "screwed"? It did not cost me any extra money, just some phone calls and measuring.

Explain how I got "SCREWED" and "bent over" by my rotary mechanics? I take great insult in that, you making like you are so high and mighty. They did not end up with the extra parts, I sent them back to Mazda, no extra money out of my pocket.

BANZAI, this thread is about helping the OP and providing usefull info for the community. you're smart ass comments and douche bag personality really aren't helping the cause here. anyway, the original front cover on rob's tranny was a smaller diameter than the new S5 one we replaced it with. the S5 throw out bearing was "swimming" on the original ft cover shaft. once the new front cover (shaft) was in everything fit with no issues.

I'm gonna resist the urge to answer you're off topic comments as I'm sure it's clear that Rob is happy with the work that was done on his cars. hopefully people like you don't discourage other people like us from trying to help and pass on knowledge to the next generation of rotorheads.

wow, i didn't see all these other replies before I made my last post. banzai, you really are an ass. you were never trying to help rob out as you stated, Rob is in very good hands and dosen't need your help. the OP and ppl reading this in the future are who this in intended to help.

I don't understand how you have the balls to accuse me of being a "shade tree wrench turner" when you have no idea of who I am or what I'm capable of? My hands have worked on MOST of the fast rx-7's and rotary powered vehicles in the north east tri state area. and like you I have had the pleasure of fixing other shops fuck ups time and time again. I've NEVER had a customer come on this forum and complain of poor quality work, being overcharged, or having issues with ANYTHING I have done to thier car. How dare you try to put it in peoples heads that I'm some kind of dishonest business man who "screwed" over one of my customers??

because you're experience with trannys has been difrent from mine, you come to the conclusion that someone got screwed? you're an idiot! Rob offered to ship you the front cover to prove to you that there is indeed another front cover in existance that was made by mazda. he was trying to HELP YOUR IGNORANT ASS by showing you something that you are clearly unfamilliar with. at no time did he or I hint to the ppl on here that you're an inexperienced rotary mechanic, we just figured that in the time you're been screwing up, I mean working on second gens, you haven't come accross this particular front cover.

my appoligies to the OP. I hope you get you're car running and don't run into any issues with the swap.

and to the arrogant ass, thanks for showing your true colors...

Hmmm, let's see here....

I said that I had no idea what you were referring too, not that there wasn't one.

This was as a result of your completely confusing post..

Again, the ACT clutch and pressure plate have nothing to do with the front cover. I will be the first to admit I had NO idea what you were talking about. However, it is abundantly obvious that you don't know what you are talking about either.


You guys really need to coordinate your mis-information better, if you are going to try to convince the rotary community that you are correct with your BAD info. One of you says it would not fit over the front cover, then the other backs his buddy up, then comes back and contradicts everything that was stated.

Now, speed_nyc comes on and says it would fit over the front cover but it was "swimming"? WOW, what a change of story.

Got news for you, there is NO S5 version. There is only one part number for the front cover, there is no S4 or S5, just 86-91 turbo N302-16-2210. All you did was replace it with the same part. Now all of a sudden there was NO need for a new clutch fork or TO bearing? Come on get your stories straight.

I didn't accuse you of being anything, but I guess if the shoe fits.... You are correct, I don't know who you are or even what shop you are supposed to work for. All I have is how you have portrayed yourself in this thread. Honestly, it does not look good.

You are not helping anyone by offering up garbage info. Read through the thread, I am the only person here giving 100% accurate information for the rotary community.

Actually it is you that has shown the community your true colors. All I have done is proven that I actually know what I am talking about, where as you just fly off the handle when someone proves you wrong.

Let me put this in a context you might be able to understand , just because one person has 17mm bolts holding their trans in place and "3 other mechanics witness it" ,does not mean it came from Mazda that way.

Wow, talk about unproffessional and uncalled for. It is incredible just how low you sink and how quickly. Petty name calling and attmpted insults from a moderator? You obviously should not be dealing with the public. I know as a result of you displaying your "people skills" in this thread, I would never do business with you.

what is so hard to understand?

the bearing slid over the front cover, but it was VERY loose, that means it DOES NOT FIT.

I have this front cover right here on m y desk, I offered to send it to you so you can see I am not making this up.

So either they had a different cover at one time, who knows maybe just something on j-spec transmissions, or someone in the past swapped the front cover out so they could use whatever clutch they had on the car- which I also still have IIRC, I believe I also have the clutch set up that came with this trans and front cover. I even have the throw out bearing that came with it as well. Tell you what- measure the diameter of the shaft on the front cover of a TII trans there and I will tell you what the diameter of the one I have here is, you will see they are different.

I purchased the new front cover and my issue was solved.

Why is this so hard to understand? You think we dont know how its supposed to fit?


From the start I ASKED:

I did not come here and preach it as gospel, I was giving my experience, then you come and say that people are confused, ripping you off, shade tree, bending me over. Giving bad information- so you think I made this whole front cover story up?

STILL I ASK HOW DID I GET BENT OVER AND RIPPED OFF?

I have this different front cover that was on my transmission, there is NO DISPUTING that.

You basically called him a thief and a shadetree mechanic but you want him to come here and be sweet and kind to you? Even I stuck up for you when that clown was saying you sold him a bogus greddy intercooler, you yourself should show some professional courtesy when the people involved are all telling you what went down, maybe you could learn something.
I have been doing what I do for close to 20 years, I only wish that not a day goes by I dont learn something

Now that I actually have a specific fault diagnosis, I will give you a clue to what the real problem most likely was. The FD front cover has a diameter of just about 1.3" the FC is right around 1.4". They have the same bolt pattern. This would explain the issue that you were seeing.

So you are both still wrong, there are NOT two different FC front covers. ACT, Exedy, Cetnerforce are NOT all wrong with their clutch kits and for future people reading this thread it is NOT necessary to buy the parts that these two did. An stock S5 trans will bolt directly to an S4.

Now you can mark today and the last few off your calender as learning something new.

instead of being a jackass about it, why dont you READ where I said that maybe someone had changed the front cover on my trans, I said it was used.


Buy the parts, lol, a simple front cover is what I had to buy, oh good lord thats a handfull.

From the start I ASKED and gave my experience, but you just went off on this "you got ripped off, bent over, screwed over" tangent. I did not come on here and tell people to buy this and buy that, I had asked and then you went on your high and mighty lecture.

Now I thought FDs had a different clutch set up then FCs? I have never had a FD or worked on one, but I thought they operated differently?
To be using a FD front cover that would mean they had a FD throw out bearing and a clutch set up right?

Actually it is you and your buddy with the "high and mighty attitudes". You asked a question of which I responded and you started arguing about the answer. If you know so much, why are you asking? Then I told you that your info was flawed, you proceeded to freak out, and found the need to go get someone else to prove that what you were arguing was correct. I see this all too often with people, they ask a question they think they know the answer to as a "test", then get all bent out of shape when they are proven wrong. Your attempts to "learn me sumtin' " started at post 15

Is your memory that bad? Go to page 1, start reading.

You still do not have the common decency to offer an apology for the way you have been acting? Absolutely unreal. You just want to hand out lame excuses about not knowing about FD's. What about the four other mechanics?

You really think I am going to answer any more of your questions? I will however gladly help other people, that have a real question.

I have a real question:

Quick background:
I have a GSL-SE with a TII swap. I blew out my S4 transmission which I beleive that the GSL-SE tail on it but it may be an S4. I have a Japanese S5 transmission that I bought which I cleaned up and (attempted) to swap the tail over from my transmission. I torqued everything down, but the drive spindle is not centered and a cut off drive shaft I have laying around will not fit in correctly.

My questions are this:

Is there a secret to assembling the tail to the transmission (e.g. torque sequence etc)?

Is there something I may be doing wrong?

Anyone with experience or technical info, please pipe in.

actually here is where it got ugly, up until then I was ASKING QUESTIONS. GO back and read it yourself, I was ASKING QUESTIONS. NOT preaching my words as gospel or throwing around terms like flawed, screwed, shafted, shadetree, etc.

I was asking why there were different parts listed, what the difference was, and saying that after my problem the solution was a new front cover.

Then you chimed in with your "robxx7 was getting shafted, sorry rob you got screwed"

HOW DID I GET SCREWED AND SHAFTED? You have still not explained yourself. You just assume that I had a bunch of guys ripping me off, for what I dont know as they did not get the commission from the sale or any left over parts, I got it all.

So then you expect the mechanic to be nice and sweet to you, you call him a thief and a shadetree mechanic but he should kiss you on your cheek?


So again- if I had a FD front cover then I should have had a FD clutch set up correct?


Mikerec- I cant help you with that, have you also tried the 1st gen section as im sure alot more of them have experience with your swap?

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Well I'm not expecting anyone here in the FC section to have specifice knowledge. More like can someone post pictures of the S4 and the S5 turbo transmission mounts as that will at least help me identify my tail.

I will the the fighting continue ;)

I dont know if this guy's pictures will help you any?

http://www.16paws.com/rx7/index.html

alot of butt hurt goin on in this thread

I have both in my living room (don't ask), what could I post to end this?