k gotcha, but still diif story altogether and so far know of no one that has tried this so no basis for comparison.

From what I've read, with propane you will see low end torque gains along with improved millage and emmisions and it will also cool the intake charge because propane comes out at -60F(don't quote me on this i read it in another tread).

With the water injection system you say you can turn up the boost because of better cooling. So I guess it depends what you want, better lowend torque (which our cars need) or more boost. I guess the best thing to do would get both systems. :D

any decent full power benefits? i was thinking.. at my work we sell little 2 liter propanes for like 2$.. could be great for a quick jolt, or a long cruise.

Only thing I don't like is it doesn't do anything with the stock computer to reduce the amount of fuel sprayed by the computer. I don't think our computers are smart enough to lean out the mix enough to increase MPG signifigantly.

mmmm low end torque, mmmmm.. I wish I had 500ft.lbs instead of 190 :D

whats the octane rating of propane?

albiet argon is a better way to go, it may be old school, but by no means crappy. Ever see a decent acetylene gas weld. Loosk 40 times better than a mig weld.

you're talking about brazing, which is different than welding

this thread is not about welding or brazing, its about Propane Injection. I think this stuff looks good and not to expensive, maybe we could get a group buy. I just wish I knew the hp gains.

I dont think you can rate an octaine level of propaine, it is a different hydro carbon than octaine and has a different molecular structure. And you can weld with oxy/acetylene, you can weld steel with a filler rod thats different than a braizing rod, has no flux on it.

I had a 94 Ram 250 Van that was propane powers Nice amount of power but with 4 tanks (this was a fatory propane powered car) the tanks are fiberglass and are nice might want to check e-bay for one there small and can fit underneath the car (or in the back) never recked one but from what I read about them they just crack open and nothing happends hehe. though gas mil on pure propane sucks on the 4 tanks (50gal I belive) we could go to pittsbugh airport and back one one fill (about 160miles) but then again that's 94 tech on 04 tech. might try this on my BII. o and finding fill stations sucked normal propane retailer would not fill them.

Peace
Mage

You need to learn how to use punctuation dude. That was very hard to read. ;)

I really wish they had some pictures of an installed kit and a bit more specifics on the parts invovled. I was always interested in the idea of running propane injection like this.

price isn't bad. who's getting one to let us know how it works?

ya ya someone get one and let us know =p

Propane is a slow burning fuel, so those that are afraid of blowing up with a tank in ur car don't have a reason to be. Propane is used in a wide variety of cooling applications so this does make some sense, although I don't see how it's possible that the kit stops fuel from being dumped into the cat. I mean, more fuel is going into the chamber (propane) which is reducing the temps which actually lowers the combustion abilities of any fuel. For turbo's this makes a lot of sense, NA's, not so much.

I'm also interested in how to mount the tank.
Could ya mount it front to back rather than along the rear tires... would seem better that way incase of a side collision.
Also... the tax reimbursment/writeoff thing states you have to have the tank installed permanantly...
well what defines a permanant installation, everything in cars can be taken apart more or less...

that and now youre doomed to lug around a 60 lb tank of propane for the rest of your cars life. thats waht turns me off.

No, I'm not. Brazing, Welding, and Cutting can all be done with oxyacetylene.

Brazing - more acetylene than oxygen = carburizing flame
Welding - equal acetylene and oxygen = neutral flame
Cutting - more oxygen than acetylene = oxidizing flame

Well it's definitely crappy from my experience, but my experience was only a couple hours so that's not really enough to get a good feel for it. The best MIG vs gas welds I've seen looked pretty similar, but then MIG would be better because it was much faster and heated a much smaller range of the metal around the weld. Actually, in my autotech material it says MIG is superior not only because of it's speed and narrow heat affect range, but because it produces 100% fusion of the base metals, which is nearly impossible with oxyacetylene.

I was thinking of installing it in the trunk of my vert with a "roll cage" around it with 2 locked hinges to get it out. Or riging up a hose to fill the trunk tank from a external tank that would would buy for your grill. But you would definatly get some crazy ass looks filling your car up with propane.
I guess the wideband would be able to tell you what your air to fuel ratio is. I just bought this one for $349. Cant wait until it gets here
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/
actually their installation and tuning videos sold this to me. You should check them out

I've heard of this on Diesel trucks a lot. Never heard of using this in a gasoline engine :O

Why do you say that? Theres all kinds of propane tank sizes. If you are only goingt to be using it during a drag race, then you could go for one of the small Coleman propane tanks.

-Joe

Tofuball can we try this on your spare NA car?

Whitch spare N/A car? :-p I have three N/A cars.

If you want to, we can try this on the white one, but it is not together yet.

going to do this to my car once i get the brochure in the mail and finalize costs.