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ddub 03-14-05 10:50 PM

How To Pass Emissions in a State With NO Visual (and not use alcohol)
 
About a year ago I went through a lot of shit trying to pass emissions. At the time my car had a bonez high flow cat and ALL emissions equipment attached and connected. I kept testing different things and even took it to a shop! Yes I got so desperate I took it to a state certified emissions shop that not only specialized in Mazdas, but they had a guy there that worked on rotaries only. They tested, replaced, and did all they could (turned out my ACV was bad too) but to no avail. At this point I could’ve gotten a 1 year waiver since I took it to a state certified shop and spent enough money, but that would’ve just put me in the same boat at this point. I wanted to get this done and figured out so I went to work. It should also be noted that I didn’t want to use alcohol in any way, shape, or form because I really didn’t feel like dumping it into my car and having to be careful and worry.

Through trial and error I ended up failing 5 times while trying to figure out how to pass, finally I got so pissed at the emissions equipment that I junked it all. I stripped off my EGR, ACV, rats nest, solenoids, even the BAC and 6pi system. I was so sick and tired of things not working, having problems, not passing, and having no idea why that I just wanted to start with a bare block basically. In the end, I passed.

Every now and then I get messages on AIM from people on the forum asking for help with emissions. They had the same problems as me with stock emissions equipment and still failing without any idea as to why. I always end up explaining the same thing to each person so I figured I’d just put it up here as a reference that I can link to, this way I don’t have to type it all out anymore either ;)

So here goes…

What you need:
At least 1 cat (main cat) and NON-clogged precats
Split air pipe still connected to cat
Air pump
1.5ft 3/4" ID heater hose
2 hose clamps
Basic hand tools

Things to do:
Timing set to stock
Fuel system stock (injectors/pump)

First things first. With my method, which worked perfectly for me, I did not use ANY other emissions equipment. What exactly YOU do with YOUR equipment is up to you. You can block them off if you want, or merely cap the ACV. You need to at least cap all the ACV lines, the one going in from the airpump, the one going out to the split air pipe, and the other small line that I believe is there (if memory serves me). Do whatever you want with the other emissions junk and 6pi system, either leaving it or taking it out, it doesn’t matter.

You should now have the airpump still hooked up and operating and at least a main cat with a split air pipe connected. Go to an auto parts store or something and get 1.5 feet (you’ll need slightly less than this) of ~3/4" ID (inside diameter) heater hose or something similar, along with 2 small hose clamps to fit it. Hook one end to the OUTLET of the airpump and then the other end to the INLET of the split air pipe. This will allow more air to go to your cat than the ACV would normally allow. As well, this will provide constant air at idle and at cruise whereas the ACV doesn’t send air to the cat at all times. This is the first step and for some people it might be all you need to pass if you’re on the edge. If not continue.

Next thing to do is play with the variable resistor if you still have it and it is in working condition. Turn it to full lean, or as much as you can. Continue to lean it out as much as you can to where you car can still idle smoothly. You should be able to turn it almost all the way, but if your car starts to chug or want to die, richen it up a bit to get a smoother idle.

Now, with the variable resistor leaned out for idle and the other stuff set up, adjust idle. With the idle stop screw and idle adjuster screw on top of the TB (and BAC for turbo vehicles) adjust them to achieve the lowest idle you can while the car still idles. You don’t want it TOO low, if it’s too low it might die or cause other problems during the test. I was successfully able to get mine down to 500 and it actually tested at 480 during the emissions test, never died the entire drive there, back, or during the test. Theoretically the lower idle should be injecting less fuel, thus lowering emissions, that was my thinking, but to be honest I’m not sure if this helped all that much but I did all I could. For those people in states without an idle test, ignore this.

Once you have your idle lowered (for people in states with an idle test) set your TPS back to stock! If you don’t have an idle test make sure your TPS is set correctly.

Before the test take the car on the freeway and get the exhaust nice and hot. Also, as a note and precaution, I have no idea how long the cat will last with getting more air than it is normally meant to and I don’t know what this could do. So, that being said I take no responsibility for anything happening to your cat. My suggestion is to do what I did. Install and set up everything, go for the drive on the freeway to get it hot, take it to the emissions place to get tested, bring it home and stop driving it. Now either park it until you have time to put everything back to normal, or do it right then. This is just a suggestion, it could last a while, I don’t know, but I’d rather be safe than sorry so I swapped it out before driving again. I was able to swap and have everything set up, go get tested, come home and swap it all back off and get it back to normal settings in 1 day. It really isn’t hard at all, and I did it with swapping the cat in/out and the airpump in/out as well. If you already have this stuff in there it should be really easy.

Here are a couple reference pictures, very simplistic. First the airpump with heater hose hooked up to it.

http://home.comcast.net/~rx7pics/emissions/01.jpg


Now, a very shitty mockup of what the airpump will be like hooked up to the split air pipe and cat. Since I don’t have it in my car anymore I just set it up on my chair with the cat on the floor, enjoy ;)

http://home.comcast.net/~rx7pics/emissions/02.jpg



I think that’s everything, if it’s not I’ll add to this later. Any questions, comments, or concerns? I’ll be glad to answer or respond to anything you have to say. Also, if someone out there has a disagreement with me then please go ahead and let me know, discussion and information is good for everyone :)

Just a note, I did this mainly because I’ve had a lot of people with emissions problems contact me and this is the same thing I always suggest when ALL ELSE FAILS. I was also bored :bigthumb:

Enjoy!

Oh and a couple things I forgot. I premixed during emissions, didn't effect it. And also, here are the results of my emissions test after all this. Before I was failing all areas badly.

Idle HC Limit = 220
Idle HC Test = 86 PASS

Idle CO% Limit = 1.2
Idle CO% Test = 0.05 PASS

Cruise HC Limit = 160
Cruise HC Test = 73 PASS

Cruise CO% Limit = 1.1
Cruise CO% Test = 0.01 PASS

Andrew. 03-14-05 11:25 PM

Hey ddub is that just a generic cat right there or the bonez superflo system? I was thinking of getting a generic one with same piping but i've heard with the rotary engine you need a special one because generic ones will just burn up or something, tru?

ddub 03-14-05 11:31 PM


Originally Posted by andrewdruiz
Hey ddub is that just a generic cat right there or the bonez superflo system? I was thinking of getting a generic one with same piping but i've heard with the rotary engine you need a special one because generic ones will just burn up or something, tru?

Bonez high flow main cat replacement. A generic cat can work, but if it does it wont be for long. Really no way to tell how long exactly. Some people have better luck than others and they last a long time, other people blow them out really fast, so you can risk it if you want for a cheaper "universal" high flow cat.

Jager 03-14-05 11:38 PM

Nice write up. Thank god I'm don't have to worry about it here ;o.

ddub 03-15-05 12:02 AM

Yah not all of us have that priviledge :(

I'm just glad I don't have visual at least.

BlaCkPlaGUE 03-15-05 12:17 AM

holy shit, looks like you passed with flying colors my man! wicked article, ARCHIVE ARCHIVE. This is much better than the alchohol test with the vaguest description ever in the faq.

You could pass the visual by leaving the stock shit on I spose, its just not functioning.

Do you have any tips for people with the safc by chance? I would think its alot more effective to use the safc than the variable resistor no? that is, if you have one ;)

Im also curious to know how adding more air affects the cat. Personally I don't think it does anything negative, might even prolong life.. who knows. Maybe someone can chime in with some facts on that.

nice work ddub

RotaryEvolution 03-15-05 12:17 AM

even if you have cat failures the federal government regulates that they provide a 5 year/50,000 mile replacement warranty.


i never really understood what a "high flow" cat is, the bonez looks like any current style cat you can buy at an aftermarket vendor, i suppose it just sells better if they label it a "high flow" cat...

ddub 03-15-05 12:30 AM


Originally Posted by BlaCkPlaGUE
holy shit, looks like you passed with flying colors my man! wicked article, ARCHIVE ARCHIVE. This is much better than the alchohol test with the vaguest description ever in the faq.

You could pass the visual by leaving the stock shit on I spose, its just not functioning.

Do you have any tips for people with the safc by chance? I would think its alot more effective to use the safc than the variable resistor no? that is, if you have one ;)

Im also curious to know how adding more air affects the cat. Personally I don't think it does anything negative, might even prolong life.. who knows. Maybe someone can chime in with some facts on that.

nice work ddub

Thanks, I did pass pretty well didnt I :p:

I didn't like the alcohol way, just didn't seem very safe to me especially because they say to drive very "gingerly" and be careful, and imediately fill up with gas afterwards. So I went another route.

Yes of course an S-AFC will help even more! I didn't put that part in there because I wanted to write something up anyone could use, even those without a fuel piggyback. With the S-AFC you'll just not use the variable resistor, and instead you'll subtract as much fuel as you can at idle to the point where it is still idling somewhat smoothly. You can also leave yourself with a higher idle and just keep leaning out the s-afc as the idle drops further and further, and stop before it wants to die completely. Then you can lean out say (on an N/A) -10 at 1k to 3k rpms for the cruise test. With a turbo be careful not to be subtracting fuel near where boost might come on, don't want to detonate.

Thanks :)

ddub 03-15-05 12:34 AM


Originally Posted by Karack
even if you have cat failures the federal government regulates that they provide a 5 year/50,000 mile replacement warranty.


i never really understood what a "high flow" cat is, the bonez looks like any current style cat you can buy at an aftermarket vendor, i suppose it just sells better if they label it a "high flow" cat...

High flow cats are just supposed to be better flowing than a conventional cat. I've seen dynos of high flow cats providing more power than a normal cat, hence the name "high flow" :p:

Whether or not it actually does, though, is unknown to me. I've seen high flow cats versus stock ones too and looking inside you can definitely (at least I can) see there is less "junk" in the high flow one.

Also, the bonez isn't just marketed as high flow and that's the only reason to buy it. The rotary runs much hotter than normal piston engines, and this cat is meant to withstand it. I've seen normal universal high flows blow or clog in a rotary eventually, the bonez doesn't seem to ever, at least I haven't heard of it yet.

RotaryEvolution 03-15-05 12:42 AM

but by conventional are they referring to older style pellet cats or large diameter stock ones? most aftermarket cats are almost identical to the bonez high flow cat, hell if i painted one silver i wouldn't be able to tell the difference and the guts are all the same material. ;)

ddub 03-15-05 12:47 AM


Originally Posted by Karack
but by conventional are they referring to older style pellet cats or large diameter stock ones? most aftermarket cats are almost identical to the bonez high flow cat, hell if i painted one silver i wouldn't be able to tell the difference and the guts are all the same material. ;)

By conventional I mean stock, even new stock ones.

Almost all aftermarket cats I see are called "high flow" as well as the bonez. It's not anything new.

RotaryEvolution 03-15-05 12:58 AM

ahh, i just wondered why most people spent $300 for a cat that should cost $75-100. ;)

anyways, sorry for hijacking the post. i just thought i would get some feedback on cats since a good working cat is the base building block of a good smog. :)

Havoc 03-15-05 02:49 AM

I have a Hi flowed Cat. Basically it flows more and is less of a restriction in your exhaust system. the only reason I had it put on was over here we have no emission testing, but you need a Cat to get over the pits (of any sort, weather it works or not ) so why not get one that help out your Hp :)

Funkspectrum 03-15-05 03:54 AM

I was told to use the Mustang SVO cat for turbo engines. It has a 2.5' inlet/outlet.
I haven't tried it yet but I'll let you guys know the results when I do....

jn2k108 04-06-05 06:20 AM

does massachusetts have a visual?

Wankel7 04-06-05 09:31 AM

In your list you said a pre cat was needed... I was under the impression that the precat simply scrubed the start up emissions?

James

Turbonut 04-06-05 09:52 AM

Great writeup. I just passed Jersey inspection last month (S5 TII) with a G Force ecu, Bonez hi flow cat and all emission equipment in tact. Numbers not as good as yours, but HC Cruise was 125, not really close to failure though.
One item to keep in mind which has been said many times, is that if all emissions equipment has been removed, and no visual in your area, use an electric air pump hooked directly to the air tube.

TKE 04-06-05 10:05 AM

Why do you people spend so much time money and effort on passing emissions?

In my neck of the woods, you just find a run down looking shop in a shady neighborhood and slip the guy 50 bucks problem solved.

Dltreezan 04-06-05 10:21 AM

why cant you just make a custom pipe with 3 or four cats for the test only and then take it off when done? Or would that drastically afftect backpressure?

Mindspin311 04-06-05 10:28 AM

Awesome write up as I just got my S5 TII and need to pass emissions. Thanks for saving me the trouble of searching :D

HAILERS 04-06-05 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by TKE
Why do you people spend so much time money and effort on passing emissions?

In my neck of the woods, you just find a run down looking shop in a shady neighborhood and slip the guy 50 bucks problem solved.

Ethical people vs the non-ethical.

ddub 04-06-05 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by Wankel7
In your list you said a pre cat was needed... I was under the impression that the precat simply scrubed the start up emissions?

James

I said this:

What you need:
At least 1 cat (main cat) and NON-clogged precats

What I meant by that was that you at least need 1 main cat (and no precats) and if you have precats they need to not be clogged. I passed my test with an RB header and a bonez high flow, no pre's.

ddub 04-06-05 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by TKE
Why do you people spend so much time money and effort on passing emissions?

In my neck of the woods, you just find a run down looking shop in a shady neighborhood and slip the guy 50 bucks problem solved.

Money? I had the bonez high flow cat already and I spent $0 except to buy the tube from the airpump to the split air pipe to pass, so that was like 5 bucks at most maybe? Only thing it took was time, my time.

And where I am there are no "shady" places that do that, and if you try you get in a lot of trouble. Even if there are ones around here I wouldn't do it.

Turbonut 04-06-05 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by dDuB
Money? I had the bonez high flow cat already and I spent $0 except to buy the tube from the airpump to the split air pipe to pass, so that was like 5 bucks at most maybe? Only thing it took was time, my time.

And where I am there are no "shady" places that do that, and if you try you get in a lot of trouble. Even if there are ones around here I wouldn't do it.

Not trying to start a war, but what's the difference between paying somebody to get a current inspection, or removing all the emissions, then supply direct air to the cat so that it will pass, then disconnect the air tube/pump, which is against the law?

ddub 04-06-05 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by Turbonut
Not trying to start a war, but what's the difference between paying somebody to get a current inspection, or removing all the emissions, then supply direct air to the cat so that it will pass, then disconnect the air tube/pump, which is against the law?

At least I still passed the emissions test :D that's somewhat better. Besides, my problem was that my ACV had taken a shit and it wasn't working properly. So it was either figure out a way to pass without stuff, try to find a good condition ACV used which would be hard to know over the internet (for sale section) if it's good or not, or bite the bullet and buy a new one (expensive I'm assuming). I figured this was my best route. Yes it's still illegal in a way, but it's less illegal than paying off an inspection person.

EfiniGirl 04-06-05 12:32 PM

Very nice write up. I haven't gotten my car inspected yet, but we'll see if I pass first...

gordonrick 04-06-05 02:06 PM

Great post. I was actually thinking of trying something along the same lines. I have spent plenty of money to qualify for a waiver for this year, but I don't want this to become an annual ritual. When purchased, the car had what looks to be a fairly new high-flow on it, but CO and HC were way high.
I have already bought a set of stock cats to deal with the issue for the long term, but I may have more work ahead anyway. I tested my split air solenoid per the FSM and either it or my testing protocol is bad. I may try a test with the air rig as a diagnostic just for the hell of it. If the problem is really no air to the cat it should pass with the air rig. Then I will now what to fix for next time. (and I really like the silencer/hi-flow set-up that is on there now - why be in such a rush to pull it off -eh?)

BTW - None of the emissions places I've been to have any clue what the rotary set-up is supposed to look like anyway.

rs_1101 04-06-05 02:40 PM

i think im gonna be doing some de-emmisionning tonite! MUAH HA HA

any cali people want to try this on the dyno smog test?

Gene 04-06-05 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by HAILERS
Ethical people vs the non-ethical.

Because bribery is less ethical that using a mickey-ficked emissions system for 1 hour and then taking it off again? :confused:

HAILERS 04-06-05 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by Gene
Because bribery is less ethical that using a mickey-ficked emissions system for 1 hour and then taking it off again? :confused:

You got me as in "GOTTCHA".

It's not mickey-ficked though. It's a one hundred percent working emissions system. As described in the manual i.e. airpump, acv, catalytic converter in stock form. As in not asking someone else to be a crook.

selanne8 04-06-05 05:26 PM

i tried this when i needed to get smogged last year and still failed...then again, my motor is ported, so i wasn't too surprised that it didn't work. I eventually passed using an s-afc to lean it way out.

john

jgathome 04-06-05 07:46 PM

blah enough with ethics in this thread...

ddub 04-06-05 07:54 PM

Yes, that's not the point of this thread, so lets just end the ethics debate.

spokanerxdude 04-08-05 12:16 AM

Excellant artical. My 7 is still scattered all over my garage but this answers my ???'s about desmoging and emissions. Thanks!

ddub 04-08-05 12:28 AM


Originally Posted by spokanerxdude
Excellant artical. My 7 is still scattered all over my garage but this answers my ???'s about desmoging and emissions. Thanks!

Noooooo problem :)

Like I said, a lot of people that talk to me on AIM that are on rx7club were having problems and I kept having to repeat myself, so I just made this thread.

Impreza2RX7 04-08-05 12:31 AM

I just payed a guy 50 bucks, and he put a Ford Focus on the dyno for me. Ethics Smethics :)

ddub 04-08-05 01:13 AM

Like I said, my pass only cost me about $5, maybe $10 :)

Impreza2RX7 04-08-05 01:19 AM

Lol, yeah, it would have cost me alot more, my cat was clogged, so I put a TF DP on it :)

ddub 04-08-05 01:25 AM

Ah alright then, that definitely would've cost more.

gingenhagen 04-08-05 02:11 AM

I remember reading that the 3rd gen forum had done a test on cats with dynos and concluded that the bonez high-flow cat had performance gains equivalent to that of a straight pipe.

TKE 04-08-05 02:26 AM


Originally Posted by HAILERS
Ethical people vs the non-ethical.

How is passing the test by cheating any more ethical then paying for a sticker?


Originally Posted by dDuB
At least I still passed the emissions test :D that's somewhat better. Besides, my problem was that my ACV had taken a shit and it wasn't working properly. So it was either figure out a way to pass without stuff, try to find a good condition ACV used which would be hard to know over the internet (for sale section) if it's good or not, or bite the bullet and buy a new one (expensive I'm assuming). I figured this was my best route. Yes it's still illegal in a way, but it's less illegal than paying off an inspection person.

How is something less illegal, its either illegal or its not. Don't know about where you live but where im from cops dont hang out in repair stations to see if you are paying someone off. Plus the station would get in trouble not you.

Edit:

Oh ya there has to be a "shady" shop someplace near you. There is always a "shady" anything where there is money to be made.

ddub 04-08-05 09:18 AM

I thought I said we were done with the ethical/cheating/etc. talk? That's really not what this thread is about.

coldfire 04-08-05 09:46 AM

yes, agreed. this type of talk should not even be in the 2nd gen forum, which is a technical forum. having said that, we should not be talking about paying to "buy" an emissions test.

dDub, is there any danger in leaning out too much that your NO (i think it's NO) emissions fail? i have an SAFCII that i can lean out for an e-missions test, do i just lean out as much as possible for an e-test?

also, i was wondering if anyone has thought of putting on a different sized pulley on the airpump to over drive it. this would help especially for idle tests...

as for the high flow cat, i think that it is very beneficial on a turbo charged rotary, but on a normally aspirated car, i think a straight pipe would still provide a larger power gain...but that is just my opinion.

ddub 04-08-05 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by coldfire
yes, agreed. this type of talk should not even be in the 2nd gen forum, which is a technical forum. having said that, we should not be talking about paying to "buy" an emissions test.

dDub, is there any danger in leaning out too much that your NO (i think it's NO) emissions fail? i have an SAFCII that i can lean out for an e-missions test, do i just lean out as much as possible for an e-test?

also, i was wondering if anyone has thought of putting on a different sized pulley on the airpump to over drive it. this would help especially for idle tests...

as for the high flow cat, i think that it is very beneficial on a turbo charged rotary, but on a normally aspirated car, i think a straight pipe would still provide a larger power gain...but that is just my opinion.

For leaning out, this is what I'd do. Before messing around with anything, get the car/emissions equipment/idle/etc. set up the way you're going to run it for the test, if you need to change anything that is, then work on leaning it out. Start with the idle mixture. Keep leaning it out slowly until the car starts to chug and want to die from lack of fuel, then richen it up a bit to get a semi-smoother idle. Take it for a quick spin around the neighborhood or something to make sure it doesn't die on decel when coming to a stop. This is mostly dependent on if you have an idle test, though.

Then I'd concentrate on the 1-3k rpm range. Start by just subtracting a little fuel, take it for a drive and see how it drives like that. If it's ok, take out a little more, and keep testing it. With an n/a rx7 lack of fuel will just make it fall on its face from loss of power. You want to be able to have it drive smoothly while it's leaned out.

As for what happens to the NOx, I'll check my test when I get home (at college right now). My state doesn't require any limit on NOx but I believe you're right that as you lean it out more and more the NOx will go up. I'll look at my emissions sheet and see what I got for my test.

ddub 04-08-05 02:12 PM

Ok just checked my emissions sheet and I have no NOx on it. Only other thing I have besides CO% and HC's is O2% and CO%+CO2%

So I don't know what to tell you for the NOx other than try it and find out :p:

Marcus_F 04-08-05 03:09 PM

No visual? If an S5 with the orignal zillion mile cat is failing with high HC, it can pass by retarding the timing. That's one of the oldest tricks out there. It will increase NOx, but S5's usually have a ton of leeway as far as NOx. I don't know about NOx and S4's, but it's worth a try.

For those wondering about catalytic converters, Rotary News has an article about Rx-7's and high flow converters in the archive.

Also, MazdaSport ran a similar article.

TKE 04-08-05 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by dDuB
For leaning out, this is what I'd do. Before messing around with anything, get the car/emissions equipment/idle/etc. set up the way you're going to run it for the test, if you need to change anything that is, then work on leaning it out. Start with the idle mixture. Keep leaning it out slowly until the car starts to chug and want to die from lack of fuel, then richen it up a bit to get a semi-smoother idle. Take it for a quick spin around the neighborhood or something to make sure it doesn't die on decel when coming to a stop. This is mostly dependent on if you have an idle test, though.

Then I'd concentrate on the 1-3k rpm range. Start by just subtracting a little fuel, take it for a drive and see how it drives like that. If it's ok, take out a little more, and keep testing it. With an n/a rx7 lack of fuel will just make it fall on its face from loss of power. You want to be able to have it drive smoothly while it's leaned out.

As for what happens to the NOx, I'll check my test when I get home (at college right now). My state doesn't require any limit on NOx but I believe you're right that as you lean it out more and more the NOx will go up. I'll look at my emissions sheet and see what I got for my test.

Just trying to offer the most sound advice. Good luck with putting all that stress on a 15+ year old engine.

ddub 04-08-05 03:17 PM

If the engine can't handle lowering the idle and leaning it out a little (remember this is an N/A I'm talking about) then it has more things wrong with it. I'm not talking about leaning it out to 14 or 15:1 AFR's or something, I dunno if it'd even work doing that, I'm just talking about IF you have a fuel controller and you want to lean it out for the test, just play with it a little and be safe.

HAILERS 04-08-05 05:11 PM

[QUOTE=TKE]How is passing the test by cheating any more ethical then paying for a sticker?



I hope you are not asserting that I cheat to pass the emissions test. I don't.

There's only four items that need to work right to pass. The two solenoids, switching and relief are bullet proof, the acv only has to have its diaphrams intact, the airpump is almost bullet proof, and a catalytic converter really does not cost that much if it's aftermarket. There's a free, online fsm for checking out the items above.

EDIT: And my afr was in the 12.9 range when I last passed (afr read with the airpump disabled, test done with the airpump intact).

rcefstsfecr 04-08-05 05:51 PM

^^^ what is the link to that FSM?


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